Suisham Booted

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:20 pm

I was not in favor of Suisham being the kicker this year and mentioned this a number of times but I do agree that it is not good for anyone to be let go at this stage of a bad season - if this decision was made by Snyder (w/Cerrato) it is obviously just a knee jerk reaction to a bad loss and is just another bad move

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:34 pm

Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Wahoo McDaniels · Post by **Wahoo McDaniels** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:56 pm

It's not about one kick. It's a consistent record of missing big kicks at big moments of big games.

As I said before, this is not the first short kick he's missed at a critical juncture. That 30 yder he missed in Seattle during the playoff game was the worst.

Besides, I've heard this "I'm the most accurate kicker in the history of the organization" argument from another famous Canadian kicker....Mike Vanderjagt. Where's he kicking again these days?

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:57 pm

Countertrey wrote:Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Seriously. The announcers were saying that they would have cut him on the plane ride home.

While cutting Shazam won't make our team a playoff team, why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:29 pm

why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

That could apply to alot of players this year

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:33 am

DEHog wrote:
why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

That could apply to alot of players this year

ain't that the truth - this is just the begining

I thought that Suisham should lose his job but the fact is that we have both coaches and players that also could be let go for the same reason as Suisham - won't happen because many of those cuts will only cost the Danny more

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:47 am

Heads are going to roll this off season.

So letting Suisham go now really does not hurt the team. I mean we are 3-9 for goodness sake.

He brought this upon himself. You miss a chip shot that could seal the game? I mean come on. I am sure Zorn and Snyder are trying to point fingers. But, really Suisham did this to himself.

The bottom line is Suisham would have never been cut had he made this field goal.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:51 am

I like it, evaluate all of them at game speed.

Sir_Monk · Post by **Sir_Monk** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:11 am

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:It's not about one kick. It's a consistent record of missing big kicks at big moments of big games.

As I said before, this is not the first short kick he's missed at a critical juncture. That 30 yder he missed in Seattle during the playoff game was the worst.

Besides, I've heard this "I'm the most accurate kicker in the history of the organization" argument from another famous Canadian kicker....Mike Vanderjagt. Where's he kicking again these days?

Not just that one, but he got worse and worse as '08 went on and his inability to hit critical kicks late in games started again this season. Oddly, his field goal percentage vs getting the job done in critical moments, more or less parallels the reasons for and against keeping Jason Campbell.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:14 am

HEROHAMO wrote:I am sure Zorn and Snyder are trying to point fingers. But, really Suisham did this to himself.

I am not defending Suisham but ...

... Are there no other people who are FAR more responsible for a greater number of losses than Suisham is???

Let me put the question differently:

Is Suisham record, be that as it might be taken as a whole, not better than the record of A LOT of people above him?

I am talking other players, coaches, management, owner ...

Is it not too easy to pick a scapegoat? I think it is. Suisham brought it up to himself, alright. But there is A LOT of people who deserve to be booted out higher up sooner than Suisham did.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:02 am

PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Seriously. The announcers were saying that they would have cut him on the plane ride home.

While cutting Shazam won't make our team a playoff team, why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

The saints game was a home game

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:19 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Seriously. The announcers were saying that they would have cut him on the plane ride home.

While cutting Shazam won't make our team a playoff team, why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

The saints game was a home game

Lol you're right. Ok, the ride home

And DEHog:

That could apply to alot of players this year

It could. But come on, this was amazingly egregious. He only has a few things to do every game, and...screwing up a 23 yard field goal is blaringly obvious. If he missed a 40 yarder, okay (see the Dallas game). That happens; it stinks, but it's understandable. But a 23 yarder, should not be missed by a professional kicker.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:52 am

The facts are:

No team keeps a kicker who misses a very easy FG that would have won the game

If we had a decent group managing this team, Suisham would not have been the kicker here this year

we all can agree that many players and coaches here this year have really let the franchise down by how they have done their job - it is just my opinion but I think that Suisham should have been let go but I am just amazed that we have ZERO accountability at all within this organization - it should be obvious to everyone by now that Cerrato has hurt this franchise far more than Suisham did by missing a FG in a game that we most likely would have won - although that was not guaranteed with the way this group finishes games :lol:

I hope that Snyder lets Cerrato go and the sooner the better - what purpose is served by keeping this slime around any longer?

actually it's a perfect present - "See ya and happy holidays" :lol:

MDSKINSFAN · Post by **MDSKINSFAN** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:18 pm

I hear Gano is pretty good. I don't know what took so long for this to happen. I expected us to sign whoever the Ravens cut before the season started but we didn't do it.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:47 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Seriously. The announcers were saying that they would have cut him on the plane ride home.

While cutting Shazam won't make our team a playoff team, why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

The saints game was a home game

Lol you're right. Ok, the ride home

And DEHog:

That could apply to alot of players this year

It could. But come on, this was amazingly egregious. He only has a few things to do every game, and...screwing up a 23 yard field goal is blaringly obvious. If he missed a 40 yarder, okay (see the Dallas game). That happens; it stinks, but it's understandable. But a 23 yarder, should not be missed by a professional kicker.

Agreed my point is its too late...had this been the 6th game of the season and we were 3-3 I could see it.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:28 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Seriously. The announcers were saying that they would have cut him on the plane ride home.

While cutting Shazam won't make our team a playoff team, why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

The saints game was a home game

Lol you're right. Ok, the ride home

And DEHog:

That could apply to alot of players this year

It could. But come on, this was amazingly egregious. He only has a few things to do every game, and...screwing up a 23 yard field goal is blaringly obvious. If he missed a 40 yarder, okay (see the Dallas game). That happens; it stinks, but it's understandable. But a 23 yarder, should not be missed by a professional kicker.

I have a friend I was talking to about this and he blames Zorn for not setting the ball up centered....there's all kinds out there.

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:40 pm

It's funny - the same people who say that Campbell's stats are meaningless and that he is the worst QB in the history of the game are dredging up stats about an "idiot kicker" who has not hit ONE kick when the game was on the line or could be put away. Really? We are going to the mats over Suishy?

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:53 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Seriously. The announcers were saying that they would have cut him on the plane ride home.

While cutting Shazam won't make our team a playoff team, why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

The saints game was a home game

Lol you're right. Ok, the ride home

And DEHog:

That could apply to alot of players this year

It could. But come on, this was amazingly egregious. He only has a few things to do every game, and...screwing up a 23 yard field goal is blaringly obvious. If he missed a 40 yarder, okay (see the Dallas game). That happens; it stinks, but it's understandable. But a 23 yarder, should not be missed by a professional kicker.

I have a friend I was talking to about this and he blames Zorn for not setting the ball up centered....there's all kinds out there.

Well if they were (as Zorn said so) commited to FG instead of TD why not ?? You see that done alot...no excuse...but I watched the game last night and we called 6 running plays inside the 10 that is playing not to lose...instead of to win!

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:56 pm

DEHog wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Seriously. The announcers were saying that they would have cut him on the plane ride home.

While cutting Shazam won't make our team a playoff team, why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

The saints game was a home game

Lol you're right. Ok, the ride home

And DEHog:

That could apply to alot of players this year

It could. But come on, this was amazingly egregious. He only has a few things to do every game, and...screwing up a 23 yard field goal is blaringly obvious. If he missed a 40 yarder, okay (see the Dallas game). That happens; it stinks, but it's understandable. But a 23 yarder, should not be missed by a professional kicker.

I have a friend I was talking to about this and he blames Zorn for not setting the ball up centered....there's all kinds out there.

Well if they were (as Zorn said so) commited to FG instead of TD why not ?? You see that done alot...no excuse...but I watched the game last night and we called 6 running plays inside the 10 that is playing not to lose...instead of to win!

I agree, but he gives Suishy a pass on that chipshot miss and blames Zorn.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:13 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
DEHog wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Aw, come on, guys... who didn't see this coming???

Seriously. The announcers were saying that they would have cut him on the plane ride home.

While cutting Shazam won't make our team a playoff team, why should you keep a guy on your team, and pay his salary, if he cannot execute the simplest of his jobs?

The saints game was a home game

Lol you're right. Ok, the ride home

And DEHog:

That could apply to alot of players this year

It could. But come on, this was amazingly egregious. He only has a few things to do every game, and...screwing up a 23 yard field goal is blaringly obvious. If he missed a 40 yarder, okay (see the Dallas game). That happens; it stinks, but it's understandable. But a 23 yarder, should not be missed by a professional kicker.

I have a friend I was talking to about this and he blames Zorn for not setting the ball up centered....there's all kinds out there.

Well if they were (as Zorn said so) commited to FG instead of TD why not ?? You see that done alot...no excuse...but I watched the game last night and we called 6 running plays inside the 10 that is playing not to lose...instead of to win!

I agree, but he gives Suishy a pass on that chipshot miss and blames Zorn.

Not giving him or Zorn a pass and while we're at it the D doesn't get one either....I guess I think different... I don't see this as SS losing the game because there were other opportunity to win it...If it was in OT yes...of course it didn't help!

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:16 pm

But, if SS had made the kick, it would have been a bigger hill to climb for NO. Anything after that is a moot point because it was a different situation than if they were down by 10 points. Who knows how the defense would've played vs what calls they would have made. No one can speculate because there are too many variables.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:27 pm

frankcal20 wrote:But, if SS had made the kick, it would have been a bigger hill to climb for NO. Anything after that is a moot point because it was a different situation than if they were down by 10 points. Who knows how the defense would've played vs what calls they would have made. No one can speculate because there are too many variables.

Couldn't agree more...thanks we agree...that why I have repeatedly said you don't know if that kick would have iced the game??

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:31 pm

DEHog wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:But, if SS had made the kick, it would have been a bigger hill to climb for NO. Anything after that is a moot point because it was a different situation than if they were down by 10 points. Who knows how the defense would've played vs what calls they would have made. No one can speculate because there are too many variables.

Couldn't agree more...thanks we agree...that why I have repeatedly said you don't know if that kick would have iced the game??

I agree as well. It's an incident void of context IMO. He missed a 23yd chip shot. PERIOD. AMF.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:31 pm

I just would have like to see how it would've played out if he made it because I would have felt that the advantage would have been for the Skins at that point.

Talking about momentum, it switched from Washington the second that kick was missed and you could say that the defense then folded under the pressure. NO's came out energized and punched us square in the nuts. We all felt it - and it hurt!!!

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:34 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I just would have like to see how it would've played out if he made it because I would have felt that the advantage would have been for the Skins at that point.

Talking about momentum, it switched from Washington the second that kick was missed and you could say that the defense then folded under the pressure. NO's came out energized and punched us square in the nuts. We all felt it - and it hurt!!!

Oh believe me so would of we...I was amazed at all the fans who got up and left as the Skins were driving for what we all had hope would be a winning score...As my son always reminds me...Dad remember the game where Vincent blocked the FG and ST ran it back and we kicked the FG to win against the Cowboys...so we stay untill the end!!