Official Skins - Saints Postgame thread

[frankcal20]

I have no problem with saying that the INT by JC was awful. The ball should have never been even thrown to that side of the field but then again, we have a hell of a better view looking overhead then what he has on the field. there was an open area in zone coverage on the left. I think it was Moss or Thomas on that side of the field and had he ran the route and squat in that zone, it would've been and easy first down.

This is not the reason we lost the game. How the defense let them march down the field three possessions in a row almost unstopped to score is beyond me. The offense overall did their part. Hell, we scored 30 offensive points - none by the defense. Can't complain about the offense today except I would have loved to have the INT in the 1st half. That's it.

I agree with almost all of this Frank..like 98% of it. I agree that the offense did it's job by scoring 30...Kudos. That's why I lay more of the blame on the play calling on the missed FG.

As far as letting NO score on 3 drives, ummm..have you seen them at all this year? They are a POWERHOUSE on offense. To even be in this game was a miracle, thanks to BOTH sides of the ball. Landry showed, yet again, the reason he is a SS, not FS. He just doesn't have the smarts for it, ala #21.

You expect our defense to score? Who is going to do that? Hall was the only threat to score and he didn't play. Did their D score? Something tells me that that don't EXPECT them to score, it's just an added bonus.

Oh, and you got your 1st half INT, just a TO for 6. Unlucky.

No. I don't expect the defense to score a TD but I do expect them to get turn overs when given the opportunity. We had some unlucky breaks today. The Moore play only happens like once a year in the NFL. Too bad it was against us today.

As for if I had watched them play this year, the answer is yes. Matter of fact I was the one who started the threat last week that we stood no chance to win at all vs NO while watching them play against NE. They looked like a near perfect team last week. Not so much this week.

I blame the loss today on all area's of the game. Defense, Offense and Special Teams. JC needed to make a play on our last possession but threw the pick in regulation. But he was making plays in OT but the costly fumble shot us in the foot.

Just so everyone is very clear with my thoughts - the INT was awful but didn't cost us the game. JC played his a%$ off today and you have to give him credit for that. Not to mention Devin Thomas lite up single coverage today along with we put fear in them from Fred Davis. They doubled him most of the 2nd half which went to Devin's benefit.

Good job Skins. Very Close.

[RayNAustin]

Landry is frustrating to watch. The dude is a great talent, in my humble, but he's got the same boneheaded mentality that Roy Williams had for us. He seems to be more concerned with knocking snot-bubbles out of receivers than making fundamental plays. And like Williams, he is increasingly an easy target for the big play. I think he's definitely better than Roy Williams overall, but dude needs someone to coach him up and take him back to the basics. Some of the things he does out there are inexcusable.

SIDENOTE: ey would've had 200yds receiving and 2tds today.

That is the most astute observation posted. Landry reminds me of R. Williams for sure ... I was at Texas Stadium when Brunnel/Moss toasted him TWICE on that Monday nighter.

Only difference I see is that Roy didn't hot dog and jive around after every tackle like Landry does. Landry needs 5 yards of foot in his backside ... imho.

[ATX_Skins]

Landry is frustrating to watch. The dude is a great talent, in my humble, but he's got the same boneheaded mentality that Roy Williams had for us. He seems to be more concerned with knocking snot-bubbles out of receivers than making fundamental plays. And like Williams, he is increasingly an easy target for the big play. I think he's definitely better than Roy Williams overall, but dude needs someone to coach him up and take him back to the basics. Some of the things he does out there are inexcusable.

SIDENOTE: ey would've had 200yds receiving and 2tds today.

That is the most astute observation posted. Landry reminds me of R. Williams for sure ... I was at Texas Stadium when Brunnel/Moss toasted him TWICE on that Monday nighter.

Only difference I see is that Roy didn't hot dog and jive around after every tackle like Landry does. Landry needs 5 yards of foot in his backside ... imho.

Thumbs up to you sir!

Where do you watch the games in Austin?

[RayNAustin]

Campbell gets decent protection today. The 3 step drops helped a lot, I think. However, anyone could see that "fumble" by Sellars was close... it was time for him to go no huddle, call the play at the line, and go for it. He was the ONLY one who could do that at that point. This is poor game awareness, and cannot, I think, be cured. The ultimate outcome would likely have been the same, but at least we would have kept the ball.

Please. Was WWII his fault too because he did not have the awareness to be born 70 years earlier and kill Hitler?

Shallow thinking does not become you, but I guess living in Philly can do that to a person.

I have been saying that this is his primary deficiency since last year. It is the reason that he is unable to function when the game has come down to a few plays. It is why he does not have the ability to bring a team back from the brink... as today.

The reason we lost the game was LL blowing coverage, Kareem not knowing how to protect the ball like a running back (and, why would he?), Swishy being swishiy, and any number of bounces and breaks that went, unfailingly, the Saints way.

Campbells deficiency DID NOT cost us the game... It DID cost us the ability to salvage it. Had the situation been reversed, and that was Brees in that situation, you can bet that he'd have been screaming NO HUDDLE the second the whistle blew.

Absolutely agree ... but I'd add that Campbell actually had one of his best days as a pro today. I'd be sending him Xmas cards is he played that way every week ... and I am obviously not a Campbell fan. But no way does he take the blame for this heartbreaker. That honor falls solely on Laron "shuck & jive" Landry". God's gift to the NFL.

If the Redskins staff had ANY SENSE .. they'd move him back to Strong, and let ANYONE play Free Safety. ANYONE. I could beat him on a double move, and Im 52. I think that's part of Landry's problem ... he wants to commit to much like a strong safety ... how many times this year has he been out of position? Today was nothing new ... he's BEEN doing this stuff all year (when he isn't missing tackles badly).

This loss rests squarely on Landry ... the rest of the defense played lights out in my opinion ... take the two bone headed plays away, and the fluke strip/TD and this was a heck of a performance against a very good, extremely well coached football team that's been blowing everyone out.

Today's game should be extremely encouraging to Redskin fans. Freak plays and a couple of idiot maneuvers from one FS and the Redskins win this by 10+.

What did we learn today? Davis, Thomas & Kelly aren't busts. That would be Campbell, Rogers and Landry.

Yes .. I said Campbell had his best day, and he did ... but he did choke in the clutch (terrible pick). And even his long gainers today ... two were under-thrown, otherwise the'd have been sure TD's.

But we've not seen this kinda play from Campbell much ... he's totally a head case, and will never be a consistent performer. He just can't get it done when the chips are all in.

[ATX_Skins]

LMAO @ Laron "shuck & jive" Landry

He really does think he is just the best thing ever doesnt he.

[RayNAustin]

Landry is frustrating to watch. The dude is a great talent, in my humble, but he's got the same boneheaded mentality that Roy Williams had for us. He seems to be more concerned with knocking snot-bubbles out of receivers than making fundamental plays. And like Williams, he is increasingly an easy target for the big play. I think he's definitely better than Roy Williams overall, but dude needs someone to coach him up and take him back to the basics. Some of the things he does out there are inexcusable.

SIDENOTE: ey would've had 200yds receiving and 2tds today.

That is the most astute observation posted. Landry reminds me of R. Williams for sure ... I was at Texas Stadium when Brunnel/Moss toasted him TWICE on that Monday nighter.

Only difference I see is that Roy didn't hot dog and jive around after every tackle like Landry does. Landry needs 5 yards of foot in his backside ... imho.

Thumbs up to you sir!

Where do you watch the games in Austin?

NFL Sunday Ticket !!!

[RayNAustin]

LMAO @ Laron "shuck & jive" Landry

He really does think he is just the best thing ever doesnt he.

I love that kinda stuff from dominant players who are making plays and not getting TOASTED for 14 points ... but Landry is kinda like Campbell ... Landry thinks he's GRRRRREAT .. when he's only good sometimes ... and then gets run over .. or flails his body at thin air trying to make the big hit. Campbell does the same thing subtly ... like last year when he said he thought he had a "really good year" after finishing 2-6 and averaging 11 points a game.

In my mind, Rogers should be bye bye .. same with Campbell .. Heyer .. maybe Landry ... oh yeah .. Zorn ... and Swishy. Sorry swishy, you can't miss 20 yarders to seal the win, or two against Dallas that was the difference. Bye bye.

[RedskinsFreak]

- end 2nd half defense collapse, and especially on the 53-yard TD. Just keep the Saints from a TD, and game over.

Three weeks in a row now on that front.

[VetSkinsFan]

Campbell gets decent protection today. The 3 step drops helped a lot, I think. However, anyone could see that "fumble" by Sellars was close... it was time for him to go no huddle, call the play at the line, and go for it. He was the ONLY one who could do that at that point. This is poor game awareness, and cannot, I think, be cured. The ultimate outcome would likely have been the same, but at least we would have kept the ball.

Please. Was WWII his fault too because he did not have the awareness to be born 70 years earlier and kill Hitler?

Shallow thinking does not become you, but I guess living in Philly can do that to a person.

I have been saying that this is his primary deficiency since last year. It is the reason that he is unable to function when the game has come down to a few plays. It is why he does not have the ability to bring a team back from the brink... as today.

The reason we lost the game was LL blowing coverage, Swishy being swishiy, and any number of bounces and breaks that went, unfailingly, the Saints way.

Campbells deficiency DID NOT cost us the game... It DID cost us the ability to salvage it. Had the situation been reversed, and that was Brees in that situation, you can bet that he'd have been screaming NO HUDDLE the second the whistle blew.

No, the #1 ranked team in the NFL's colors are black and white.

The guidance the officials get from the league, regarding reversals, requires clear evidence in order to overturn... while you and I can agree that they made the wrong call... the original call gets the weight. The evidence wasn't there to reverse. Can't blame the officials.

What about Sellers Elbow in OT...that certainly didn't get weight, did it?

[VetSkinsFan]

Taking the FG there is playing to win the game. Your goal is to put the game out of reach and should the kick have been made, it would've been. We missed it and that kicked our ass. But that's how our season has gone this year. Not a big deal. I'll take the better draft position and go after a stud LT.

Yeah, b/c that's EXACTLY what Brees and the Saints were doing in OT...

[DEHog]

Taking the FG there is playing to win the game. Your goal is to put the game out of reach and should the kick have been made, it would've been. We missed it and that kicked our ass. But that's how our season has gone this year. Not a big deal. I'll take the better draft position and go after a stud LT.

Wrong it playing the pecentages...playing to win would have been taking a shot on third down the clock was going to be stopped either way by the two min. warning...You're playing one of the best O in the history of the NFL..The Saints put up 7 in 33 sec are you sure they couldn't have gotten a on-side kick and tie or won it??

[DEHog]

Well I’ll start with the positives…from a football standpoint this was a fun game to be at…the lower bowl stood most of the game because it was that exciting of a game.
As for the blame of losing this one ...my vote goes to coaching…surprised no one mentioned coaching as the reason.

Does Danny Smith teach his players to sit still in a crouch when the PR is yelling poison?? Wouldn't the better thing be to run like hell away from the PR or better yet you're close to the sideline just run out of bounds!!
The reason the Skins were in the game was because they threw the ball well and they threw on first down…so your on the goal line the Saints had all but conceited the game..you run on first and second down OK…but on third you run?? Why not take a shot? The clock is stopping either way by the two minute warning. I’ll tell you why... because as a coach you don’t get criticize as much if you miss a FG than throw an INT at that point…our Owner actions make our HC coach not to lose. And if you’re going to run... center the ball for your kicker!! Some of you think a FG ices the game there..really?? You’re playing one of the most prolific offenses in the history of the game…it took them 33 seconds to put up 7 and you think a FG ices it?? How does LL get burned twice on a play that they run every week!!
Then we throw a pick and we let them throw outs when they have no TO?? If it weren’t for a holding penalty they win in regulation. Then on the Seller’s play (who did fumble) we don’t show a sense of urgency to get to the line and run a play, their coach call TO and the rest is history!

As for players…
To bad Laron bit on two pumps by Brees because it overshadowed his best game of the year.
Its easy to blame the kicker but it really shouldn’t have come to that, yes he should have made it.

As for Campbell first let me say I’ve been on the fence for the past few years with him. I have rooted for him to succeed but to all the Jason supporter, yesterday game was a great example of what many of us have been talking about with Campbell. The game has become a red zone…two minute game by that I mean teams can go up and down the field but the real test is inside the 20 and the last two minutes of the game. Did you see Josh Freemans 5 picks in the red zone. Yes Campbell did throw three red zone TD’s yesterday... finally!! But go back and watch the game and look at Brees when he throws a pass his receivers catch it on the run…Campbell receivers struggle to catch the ball and more time then not fall down. Then the all important two minute offense Breees flawless Jason….heck he almost threw a pick six but the CB droped it. I love JC but he will never be more than a serviceable QB in Washington.IMO
Once again the D fails to hold and the O can’t score with the game on the line!

[SKINFAN]

regardless of everyone else's contribution to this loss, The FRIGGIN KICKER, who kicks balls, in practice, in warmups, in the game, all he does is kick, SHOULD MAKE that kick.

[DEHog]

regardless of everyone else's contribution to this loss, The FRIGGIN KICKER, who kicks balls, in practice, in warmups, in the game, all he does is kick, SHOULD MAKE that kick.

OK but to say that lost the game is just speculation IMO

[SKINFAN]

sure as hell woulda helped win it if he made it.

[PulpExposure]

If the Redskins staff had ANY SENSE .. they'd move him back to Strong, and let ANYONE play Free Safety. ANYONE. I could beat him on a double move, and Im 52. I think that's part of Landry's problem ... he wants to commit to much like a strong safety ... how many times this year has he been out of position? Today was nothing new ... he's BEEN doing this stuff all year (when he isn't missing tackles badly).

You're right. He's far too aggressive to play as a free safety/safety valve in a defense. I was hoping that he'd learn to play the position, sort of like how it took Taylor a few years to get FS down (he got torched on double moves even in his 2nd season, remember?), but...Landry seems to be getting worse, not better.

Move him to SS and let him crash the line. That's what he seems to like the best anyways.

[Skinsfan55]

Campbell played an outstanding game with a poor running attack and backup wideouts... Devin Thomas was great and there was a little bit of silver lining...

but make no mistake, this team isn't "Getting close and just falling short." that would imply they are close to competing. This team is simply finding ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. We just can't close, and that's a dangerous place for a football team to be.

We need a lot of work to be competitive in the NFC East not to mention the NFL as a whole. Until some major changes are made we'll be bottom dwellers, same as we've always been since Snyder took over.

[Irn-Bru]

Well I’ll start with the positives…from a football standpoint this was a fun game to be at…the lower bowl stood most of the game because it was that exciting of a game.
As for the blame of losing this one my vote goes to coaching…surprised not one mentioned coaching as the reason.

Does Danny Smith teach his player to sit still in a crouch when the PR is yelling poison?? Would the better thing be to run like hell away from the PR or better yet your close to the sideline just run out od bounds!!
The reason the Skins were in the game was because they threw the ball well and they threw on first down…so you on the goal line the Saints had all but conceited the game..you run or first and second down OK…but on third you run?? Why not take a shot? The clock is stopping either way by the two minute warning. I’ll tell you why because as a coach you don’t get criticize as much if you miss a FG than throw an INT at that point…our Owner actions make our HC coach not to lose. And if you’re going to run center the ball for your kicker!! Some of you think a FG ices the game there..really?? You’re playing one of the most prolific offenses in the history of the game…it took them 33 seconds to put up 7 and you think a FG ices it?? How does LL get burn twice on a play that they run every week!!
Then we throw a pick and we let them throw outs when they have no TO?? If it weren’t for a holding penalty they win in regulation. Then on the Seller’s play (who did fumble) we don’t show a sense of urgency to get to the line ad call a play, their coach call TO and the rest is history!

As for players…
To bad Laron bit on two pumps by Brees because it overshadowed his best game of the year.
It easy to blame the kicker but it really shouldn’t have come to that, yes he should have made it.

As for Campbell first let me say I’ve been on the fence for the past few years with him. I have rooted for him to succeed but to all the Jason supporter, yesterday game was a great example of what many of us have been talking about with Campbell. The game has become a red zone…two minute game by that I mean team can go up and down the field but the reall test is inside the 20 and the last two minutes of the game. Do you see Josh Freeman 5 pick in the red zone. Yes Campbell did throw three red zone TD’s yesterday finally!! But go back and watch the game and look at Brees when he throw a pass hid receiver catch it on the run…Campbell receivers struggle to catch the ball and more time then not fall down. Then the all important two minute offense Breees flawless Jason….heck he almost threw a pick six but the CB drops it. I love JC but he will never be more than a serviceable QB in Washington.IMO
Once again the D fails to hold and the O can’t score with the game on the line!

Great post, DEHog.

[CanesSkins26]

regardless of everyone else's contribution to this loss, The FRIGGIN KICKER, who kicks balls, in practice, in warmups, in the game, all he does is kick, SHOULD MAKE that kick.

I don't blame Suisham. I blame Cerrato and Zorn for this. Suisham has been garbage most of his career. The guy led the NFL in missed kicks last season. He had no business being on the team this season.

[Cappster]

Taking the FG there is playing to win the game. Your goal is to put the game out of reach and should the kick have been made, it would've been. We missed it and that kicked our ass. But that's how our season has gone this year. Not a big deal. I'll take the better draft position and go after a stud LT.

Wrong it playing the pecentages...playing to win would have been taking a shot on third down the clock was going to be stopped either way by the two min. warning...You're playing one of the best O in the history of the NFL..The Saints put up 7 in 33 sec are you sure they couldn't have gotten a on-side kick and tie or won it??

I am sure Zorn "stepped in" and said he wanted to run the ball instead of go for the juggular. Zorn needs to keep his hand out of the play calling and game managing decisions.

[langleyparkjoe]

Again I'm like "eh".. I'm just happy to see that we took it to the Saints. Our guys played with heart and I'm happy about that. Am I sorry we didn't win, absolutely!! Oh well, next is the Raiders and we need to get in that QB's face all game to stand a chance. Oh, and if you haven't voted for Fletcher in the probowl you need to do it asap asap!!!! LET'S GO SKINS!!!

[brad7686]

regardless of everyone else's contribution to this loss, The FRIGGIN KICKER, who kicks balls, in practice, in warmups, in the game, all he does is kick, SHOULD MAKE that kick.

I don't blame Suisham. I blame Cerrato and Zorn for this. Suisham has been garbage most of his career. The guy led the NFL in missed kicks last season. He had no business being on the team this season.

They have been overlooking the kicker position far too long. Was it that necessary to draft Cody Glenn and Dallas Sartz over a kicker?

[langleyparkjoe]

regardless of everyone else's contribution to this loss, The FRIGGIN KICKER, who kicks balls, in practice, in warmups, in the game, all he does is kick, SHOULD MAKE that kick.

I don't blame Suisham. I blame Cerrato and Zorn for this. Suisham has been garbage most of his career. The guy led the NFL in missed kicks last season. He had no business being on the team this season.

They have been overlooking the kicker position far too long. Was it that necessary to draft Cody Glenn and Dallas Sartz over a kicker?

Raymer.. we had um and let him go. I said during the offseason when I went out to the park that he is better than Suisham but I'm not a football guy like VC is.. I figured hey, they must know more than me

[oneman56]

Sorry if this was already entered somewhere, I didn't see it if it was. Does anyone know why Tryon was not in the game? I kept seeing Westbrook and Barnes but didn't see Tryon, was he hurt?

[CanesSkins26]

regardless of everyone else's contribution to this loss, The FRIGGIN KICKER, who kicks balls, in practice, in warmups, in the game, all he does is kick, SHOULD MAKE that kick.

I don't blame Suisham. I blame Cerrato and Zorn for this. Suisham has been garbage most of his career. The guy led the NFL in missed kicks last season. He had no business being on the team this season.

They have been overlooking the kicker position far too long. Was it that necessary to draft Cody Glenn and Dallas Sartz over a kicker?

It's because they have no plan. They just try and piece things together instead of trying to build an organization.