Official Skins - Saints Postgame thread

Judge · Post by **Judge** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:10 pm

One of the most spectacular, colossal, improbable, unbelievable losses in a while. And for THIS team, that's saying something.

There are so many things wrong with this thing that it would make me sad to list them all.

The off-season gets closer and closer. And I can't wait. I just hope and pray that there is an ABSOLUTE BLOOD BATH in terms of people getting fired and losing their roster spots.

BurgundyandGoldfaith · Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:10 pm

can't complain about 28 first downs 455 yds

Oline looked very adequate. still could use a C and RT

Reed Doughty needs to be the FS or we need someone else. No reason to cross our safeties

MWilliams should be the RG next year

I hate Sean Payton

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:10 pm

tribeofjudah wrote:
BeeGee wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Swishy... Needs to kick for Dallas.
He's been there, done that already. 3 games in '05 and 3 in '06

Wow, we've got a Dallas fan on our Boards.... that's very odd... but OK!

It is almost like he's missing on purpose...geeez

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:10 pm

BeeGee wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
BeeGee wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Swishy... Needs to kick for Dallas.
He's been there, done that already. 3 games in '05 and 3 in '06

I know... which is all the more reason he should be there again...
He didn't get much of a chance with us, but I can't recall any blunders from him. There's no excuse. If you can't make an extra-point-distance field goal to ice the game for your team, you should be kicking rocks, not footballs. Ocho Cinco makes that kick.

From what I have seen, if Ocho Cinco weren't a WR, he could be an NFL kicker...

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:11 pm

We have flip flopped as a team.

Offense getting better, while the D is sucking ARSE....

BeeGee · Post by **BeeGee** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:12 pm

Countertrey wrote:
tribeofjudah wrote:
BeeGee wrote:
Countertrey wrote:Swishy... Needs to kick for Dallas.
He's been there, done that already. 3 games in '05 and 3 in '06

Wow, we've got a Dallas fan on our Boards.... that's very odd... but OK!

Check his post count... Where have YOU been, is the question! LOL

Been out in LA, which is home. Family drama.

Sidenote: I hope you guys get all this offense out out your system before we get to DC. The Saints Efense had no answer today. The int that Campbell threw hurt to watch because I can't help but admit that I'm pulling for that guy. This year has had to take years off of the lives of many Skins fans, man. A journey through frustration.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:13 pm

This game was one bad Saint punt away from being a win... you really can't blame that on anyone. Karma must love the Saints.

BeeGee · Post by **BeeGee** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:17 pm

Landry is frustrating to watch. The dude is a great talent, in my humble, but he's got the same boneheaded mentality that Roy Williams had for us. He seems to be more concerned with knocking snot-bubbles out of receivers than making fundamental plays. And like Williams, he is increasingly an easy target for the big play. I think he's definitely better than Roy Williams overall, but dude needs someone to coach him up and take him back to the basics. Some of the things he does out there are inexcusable.

SIDENOTE: Cool

ey would've had 200yds receiving and 2tds today.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:18 pm

Countertrey wrote:This game was one bad Saint punt away from being a win... you really can't blame that on anyone. Karma must love the Saints.

Yep. Even though I'd list the missed FG as the killer play, I can't get too mad at Suisham. It felt like nothing could possibly bounce our way all day long.

Hooligan · Post by **Hooligan** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:18 pm

The team raises my hopes only to break my heart yet again. I'd rather see them go for it on 4th down every game and go for 2 point conversions than to ever see Swishy's jersey on the field again. Disgusting.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:20 pm

BeeGee wrote:Landry is frustrating to watch. The dude is a great talent, in my humble, but he's got the same boneheaded mentality that Roy Williams had for us.

IMO he has no place being our FS going forward. He might be redeemable as a SS, but I'd bet that most likely what is best for the team at this point is to let him go. (At least, I think he's in a contract year.) Give me a hungry player trying to make it in the league over the guy who just wants to be on ESPN.

Paralis · Post by **Paralis** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:20 pm

One bad punt, one fluky interception-fumble, one terrible kick.. it just didn't come together.

The defense and offense both played a heck of a game. Thomas is finally looking like a gamer, and that's something this team's needed for a long time. Kelly and Mitchell still can't get open, but they're young. Davis needs to learn to catch balls thrown above his numbers.

This team needs new bodies at OT and FS, and I'd like to see more depth at DT (Daniels and Alexander don't really count), but the idea that the Skins need to blow up and start over still seems ridiculous on its face.

The big question now is what to do with Zorn. It's as obvious that he was in over his head with the playcalling as it is that the players look to him as a leader. I think Snyder needs to be very, very careful in evaluating any change there.

Hooligan · Post by **Hooligan** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:21 pm

Irn-Bru wrote: Even though I'd list the missed FG as the killer play, I can't get too mad at Suisham.

It's ok. I can. :explode:

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:22 pm

Paralis wrote:One bad punt, one fluky interception-fumble, one terrible kick.. it just didn't come together.

The defense and offense both played a heck of a game. Thomas is finally looking like a gamer, and that's something this team's needed for a long time. Kelly and Mitchell still can't get open, but they're young. Davis needs to learn to catch balls thrown above his numbers.

Agreed on all fronts.

This team needs new bodies at OT and FS, and I'd like to see more depth at DT (Daniels and Alexander don't really count), but the idea that the Skins need to blow up and start over still seems ridiculous on its face.

To be fair to the Skins, we went into this game missing one backup DT and then lost 3 DTs to injury in the game.

The big question now is what to do with Zorn. It's as obvious that he was in over his head with the playcalling as it is that the players look to him as a leader. I think Snyder needs to be very, very careful in evaluating any change there.

Agreed, but at the end of the day I think Zorn needs to go. However, whether Zorn stays or leaves is irrelevant, IMO, until the nameplates on the door of the owner's and GM's offices change. Not even Joe Gibbs can turn this team into a consistent winner with Danny and Vinny around.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:22 pm

BeeGee wrote:Landry is frustrating to watch. The dude is a great talent, in my humble, but he's got the same boneheaded mentality that Roy Williams had for us. He seems to be more concerned with knocking snot-bubbles out of receivers than making fundamental plays. And like Williams, he is increasingly an easy target for the big play. I think he's definitely better than Roy Williams overall, but dude needs someone to coach him up and take him back to the basics. Some of the things he does out there are inexcusable.

SIDENOTE: ey would've had 200yds receiving and 2tds today.

Landry celebrates more than any defensive player ive ever seen. Aside form Lavar Arrington who would run half way down the other side of the field like a jackass after a sack. Just thinking of Lavar makes me want to vomit. But anyways yeah, Landry, knock it off dude.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:23 pm

We need better and different LEADERSHIP on and off the field.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:23 pm

Hooligan wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote: Even though I'd list the missed FG as the killer play, I can't get too mad at Suisham.

It's ok. I can.

It's hard for me to get very mad at anything, at this point.

We know what we have on our team. They played a great game today. Coming up short doesn't negate that, in my view. This loss is just another manifestation of the kind of season we're having, IMO.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:25 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:However, whether Zorn stays or leaves is irrelevant, IMO, until the nameplates on the door of the owner's and GM's offices change. Not even Joe Gibbs can turn this team into a consistent winner with Danny and Vinny around.

Amen

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:26 pm

The good news is I believe we found a RG next year. MW played well today and should start from here out. 1st rounder is still LT, 2nd rounder maybe a CB? I would still like a C but that can wait.

Paralis · Post by **Paralis** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:27 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
This team needs new bodies at OT and FS, and I'd like to see more depth at DT (Daniels and Alexander don't really count), but the idea that the Skins need to blow up and start over still seems ridiculous on its face.

To be fair to the Skins, we went into this game missing one backup DT and then lost 3 DTs to injury in the game.

Yeah. That's really all I'm saying. When you've only got 4 DTs on the roster and only 3 dress in most games, it's hard. I don't think we'll see Daniels on the field again next year, and it needs to be a DT that takes his roster spot.

I wish our depth at CB were better, but that's not hugely realistic. Westbrook had a pretty good game today, Tryon's taken steps; but any time a team is missing 2 (or 3, like last week) players at a single position, it's not going to look good.

BigRedskinDaddy · Post by **BigRedskinDaddy** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:37 pm

This sums it up perfectly for me.

Just when you think you might have seen it all....there's another Redskins game on tv.

The way we lose games these days is unreal. I'm positive somebody had us cursed a while back. Can't be any other reason for this snakebitten madness....

BeeGee · Post by **BeeGee** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:38 pm

ATX_Skins wrote:
BeeGee wrote:Landry is frustrating to watch. The dude is a great talent, in my humble, but he's got the same boneheaded mentality that Roy Williams had for us. He seems to be more concerned with knocking snot-bubbles out of receivers than making fundamental plays. And like Williams, he is increasingly an easy target for the big play. I think he's definitely better than Roy Williams overall, but dude needs someone to coach him up and take him back to the basics. Some of the things he does out there are inexcusable.

SIDENOTE: ey would've had 200yds receiving and 2tds today.

Landry celebrates more than any defensive player ive ever seen. Aside form Lavar Arrington who would run half way down the other side of the field like a jackass after a sack. Just thinking of Lavar makes me want to vomit. But anyways yeah, Landry, knock it off dude.

lol

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:42 pm

Hell of a game. Crappy outcome but really, none of us gave us a shot along with me. Good job by JCam but the INT killed us along with the fumble and weird punt call.

Not going to call a conspiracy but the NFL preferred the NO win vs the Skins win.

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:43 pm

Countertrey wrote:Campbell gets decent protection today. The 3 step drops helped a lot, I think. However, anyone could see that "fumble" by Sellars was close... it was time for him to go no huddle, call the play at the line, and go for it. He was the ONLY one who could do that at that point. This is poor game awareness, and cannot, I think, be cured. The ultimate outcome would likely have been the same, but at least we would have kept the ball.

Please. Was WWII his fault too because he did not have the awareness to be born 70 years earlier and kill Hitler?

Californiaskin · Post by **Californiaskin** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:44 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Hell of a game. Crappy outcome but really, none of us gave us a shot along with me. Good job by JCam but the INT killed us along with the fumble and weird punt call.

Not going to call a conspiracy but the NFL preferred the NO win vs the Skins win.

dude frank ready for those here to blame soup............