Post Game Discussion - Washington @ Dallas

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:21 pm

Campbell was fine. The OL barely slowed the Dallas defense.

Keep Campbell. Build an OL.

Forget the "skill" players and the "stars" and such. Get an OL.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:28 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
I agree he isn't a real good QB but he's our QB so to not anyone in paticular but maybe just zip it and realize it's called "offense" and not "QB and the boys"

Obviously there are more problems that JC on offense. Nobody is disputing that. However, JC is the leader of one of the worst offenses in the NFL and he deserves his share of the blame.

True true CS

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:38 pm

Keep Campbell. Build an OL.

Campbell needs to go.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:39 pm

Question for you Canes?

What if Washington hires a qualified GM and Head Coach. Feel free to fill the vacancies with whomever you want. And what if they keep JC as the starting QB next year on solely focus on rebuilding the o-line. What are you going to do?

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:48 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Question for you Canes?

What if Washington hires a qualified GM and Head Coach. Feel free to fill the vacancies with whomever you want. And what if they keep JC as the starting QB next year on solely focus on rebuilding the o-line. What are you going to do?

I'm not worried about that because I can't imagine a qualified GM or Head Coach keep JC. No qualified GM is going to pass on drafting a qb in the first or second round in what is shaping up to be one of the deepest qb draft in years. There is a strong possibility that all of the following are going to be available in the draft this year: Claussen, Locker, Bradford, Snead, Tebow, McCoy, Pike, Lefevour. If you have a need at qb you don't pass on this type of talent.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:54 pm

My fav. from the list after the first two rounds is Lefevour. I'm ok with drafting a QB but not in the early rounds. The lineman depth is way more important then bringing in a QB that will just get killed next year. Ask David Carr how that worked out.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:22 pm

If we get an NFL guy in here and he decides to keep Campbell and then Campbell shows that he can handle the job I am absolutely happy with that - as long as we have another QB that they can have ready for when Campbell shows everybody again that he's just not good enough to help a team win games and be an effective QB

I just do not see anyone coming in here and thinking that Campbell has anything to offer after what they see on film from the past 3 seasons - Campbell will not be here next year unless there is no way we can move him

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:27 pm

There are so many examples of QBs that played the first year and went on to greatness - why not bring up those examples too

Campbell has had his opportunity here - this guy is not an effective QB, he's just an OK QB - I have nothing against keeping him but no one should expect him to be anything more than just a QB - he will not help the offense score points OR win games

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:31 pm

he will not help the offense score points OR win games

True.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:35 pm

it's kind of hard for anyone to help this team score with the current set up - just ask the kicker.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:56 pm

frankcal20 wrote:it's kind of hard for anyone to help this team score with the current set up - just ask the kicker.

Suisham has been on the field for 32 plays (not including kick-offs) On 28 of those plays, he has scored. On the other two, the team scored a touchdown.
Frankly, I prefer the odds of scoring with Suisham on the field better than Campbell... yeah... that's not fair. But, I'm not the one that brought it up.

5 years tells us what we need to know. Campbell is barely servicable as an NFL quarterback.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:05 am

Barely??????

I would say that over the last 5 years, this offensive team has been barely serviceable - and it all starts up front. If you don't think the lack of blocking by the offensive line and changes in coaching hasn't affected the development clearly shows what some do not know about football in general.

I've never said that JC is going to be a probowl QB but I don't think that this owner or GM, whatever Vinny is called these day's has done to help his development. I'm sure that Joe Gibbs gave recommendations on who he thought should succeed but I don't blame Gibbs for what's happened to this program. I blame Dan Snyder. As we've mentioned, he's ran this team like the last place fantasy football team in your league. He's picked up everyone who "USED" to be good. Well here's a though. Bring in free agents who are on an upside. Draft guys who project out to be good NFL players. Control the salary cap and more importantly, make sure you have depth on your team. Injuries happen in the NFL. As a coach/owner/decisionmaker, you've got to be prepared and this is one thing this team has'nt done.

Dan Snyder has taken his poor judgment calls out on the coaches who've been here. Why on earth he didn't hire Greg Williams is beyond me. Why he fired Marty long ago really made no sense to anyone.

The best thing for Jason Campbell and any NFL player early in their career will be to leave the Redskins and move on to teams that know how to put together a complete roster of qualified players.

BeeGee · Post by **BeeGee** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:20 am

LOL @ Skins fans that CANNOT WAIT to blame every single loss on #17.

He's had inadequate talent around him his entire career. Chris Cool

ey has been his best receiver and THERE'S NOT EVEN A CLOSE 2ND. Santana Moss is a 2nd receiver at best, and probably a 3rd/slot guy if you wanna be completely honest.

Much of this is because the Skins' coaching staff sucks. They have no idea how to develop receivers. They should be getting tons more out of guys like Kelly and Thomas, but they can't coach'em up.

Sorry, but o-line woes or not, Clinton Portis has been mostly a failure. The guy came to the Skins wearing championship belts from Denver. It took him almost 4 full seasons to sniff the end zone as much as he did in 2 seasons at Denver. He's been solid yardage-wise, but simply isn't the elite back that came to Washington from Denver.

When's the last time the Skins had a guy that could call a SERIES let alone a game on the offensive side of the ball?

Jason Campbell has been set up for failure from the gate and you know it. Yet he gets blamed for every loss.

This team wants to win, but the organization around them is INCAPABLE OF BUILDING AND MAINTAINING A WINNER. Stop blaming your QB and start calling for the head of your owner and the horrible front office that can't draft offensive players to save their life or hire coaching staffs capable of developing the bums they do draft.

(d)oink · Post by **(d)oink** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:22 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:While I feel that Swishy should have made the kicks,

Do ya think?

he was put into a position to fail.

Zorn in all his wisdom iced his own kicker

Huh?

and then continued to ice him for a measly 5 yard increase with 2 hours left on the clock b4 the half.

Huh?

Instead of having some gonads and attempting a TD!

He puts his frigid QB out there.

What?

Not smart. Zorn ADMITS after the game that he's calling these plays.

Again, that's not excusing Swishy but he was put in a bad position.

Is he on the payroll? Pull up your pink panties and
kick a freakin 39 yard field goal.

With the 2nd missed FG, SOMEONE (might have been Zorn cus he admittedly called a rack of plays today) runs a DRAW OUT OF SHOTGUN! Dumb play. They line Swishy up OUTSIDE OF HIS RAGE AT 50 YARDS. He misses. Shock! ANd awe!

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:54 am

frankcal20 wrote:My fav. from the list after the first two rounds is Lefevour. I'm ok with drafting a QB but not in the early rounds. The lineman depth is way more important then bringing in a QB that will just get killed next year. Ask David Carr how that worked out.

Who said that a rookie would play next year? Do you understand that this is going to be a two to three year rebuilding process? There are a lot of positions on this team that need to be addressed and no way that can be done in one year. Just because you draft a qb in the early rounds in the next draft doesn't mean that he has to play right away. He can sit for a year and learn. The reason that you draft a qb in the early rounds in 2010 is twofold. First, we are going to need to address qb soon and the draft next year is very deep, with lots of talent available. Second, it usually takes a qb longer to develop than an offensive linemen. You can take a qb this year, let him start to learn, and if you still need a left tackle take one in the first round in the 2011 draft. Also, just bc we draft a qb early this year, that doesn't mean that we can't use other picks on the oline. I'm not sure why you can't seem to understand that it is possible to draft both a tackle and a qb in the first two rounds.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:04 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:My fav. from the list after the first two rounds is Lefevour. I'm ok with drafting a QB but not in the early rounds. The lineman depth is way more important then bringing in a QB that will just get killed next year. Ask David Carr how that worked out.

Who said that a rookie would play next year? Do you understand that this is going to be a two to three year rebuilding process? There are a lot of positions on this team that need to be addressed and no way that can be done in one year. Just because you draft a qb in the early rounds in the next draft doesn't mean that he has to play right away. He can sit for a year and learn. The reason that you draft a qb in the early rounds in 2010 is twofold. First, we are going to need to address qb soon and the draft next year is very deep, with lots of talent available. Second, it usually takes a qb longer to develop than an offensive linemen. You can take a qb this year, let him start to learn, and if you still need a left tackle take one in the first round in the 2011 draft. Also, just bc we draft a qb early this year, that doesn't mean that we can't use other picks on the oline.
I'm not sure why you can't seem to understand that it is possible to draft both a tackle and a qb in the first two rounds
.

Great point!!!!!

Thank you for enlightening me.

Of course you can draft a QB in the first round and sit him. Why not. That would make the most sense - if you have the luxury of doing so and didn't have so many needs to fill on this team. The #1 need RIGHT NOW is the LT position. You've got to draft that first and foremost if the player is there. I feel that lineman early on are a better option than a QB. I think that if we build this team from the ground up, we stand a better chance of being productive for a longer time period than for just one season.

This isn't my first time watching football. I do know what I'm talking about and I'm not going to give you my overall football ideas in every post but I'll keep it simple. Get lineman, get depth and get a game manager on both sides of the ball. Most importantly, have a good coach in house for a while. That's it.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:57 am

I think that if we build this team from the ground up, we stand a better chance of being productive for a longer time period than for just one season.

Once again, what precludes us from building up our offensive line if we draft a qb in either the first or second round?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:23 am

The better projections of lineman are found in the earlier rounds. That's my point. Not to mention, if you draft a lineman, most likely he can come in and play right away in rounds 1 and 2. Now, look a the cap figure for a player like a QB who will be on the bench, it just can't happen. We don't have that luxury. That's my point more than anything.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:33 am

Now, look a the cap figure for a player like a QB who will be on the bench, it just can't happen. We don't have that luxury. That's my point more than anything.

Next year is more than likely an uncapped year, so how is this a problem?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:10 am

Why would any owner want to dump a ton of money on a player who as you've stated shouldn't play. In a perfect world, his contract would be small and he would work toward his next contract. In the current set up, and even next year if uncapped, these people are going to get paid ridiculous amounts of money - so they have to play.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:25 am

frankcal20 wrote:Why would any owner want to dump a ton of money on a player who as you've stated shouldn't play. In a perfect world, his contract would be small and he would work toward his next contract. In the current set up, and even next year if uncapped, these people are going to get paid ridiculous amounts of money - so they have to play.

First round players sit all the time. Philip Rivers, for example, sat on the bench for two years before starting.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:42 am

This team wants to win, but the organization around them is INCAPABLE OF BUILDING AND MAINTAINING A WINNER. Stop blaming your QB and start calling for the head of your owner and the horrible front office that can't draft offensive players to save their life or hire coaching staffs capable of developing the bums they do draft.

If you read the boards instead of staring at pictures of Tony Romo all day you would see that just about every thread mentions the need for (1) Dan Snyder to take a step back; (2) Vinny Cerrato to be fired and a competent GM hired; and (3) Zorn be fired. The need for a new football operations structure is obvious. That being said, none of that excuses JC's inability to handle even the most menial of qb tasks (i.e. hitting an open receiver in stride and letting him run with the ball).

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:01 pm

"Fun" post-game fact for the day... the last time the "redskins" lost a game 6-7 was in 1935 to the Iggles at Fenway Park...

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:25 pm

BeeGee wrote:This team wants to win, but the organization around them is INCAPABLE OF BUILDING AND MAINTAINING A WINNER. Stop blaming your QB and start calling for the head of your owner and the horrible front office that can't draft offensive players to save their life or hire coaching staffs capable of developing the bums they do draft.

Sounds familiar to you, doesn't it?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:58 pm

I think the reason he's upset, Pulp, is that his team, which was favored to win by 11, almost lost to a bad team and got out-played for most of the game :lol:

the Cowboys may in fact win the NFC East but they had better get a lot better if they think they will win a play-off game again :twisted: