We should trade anything for draft picks at this point

[BurgundyandGoldfaith]

In the upcoming offseason the only priorities this team should have roster wise are youth and future picks. As bad as the O-line is, we may need to trade 2011 picks to win any games at all next year. This team has no choice but to send some worthy talent for draft picks. This means we should send a TE for draft picks, Davis or ey. Can we get anything for Santana Moss? We don't have an O-line to use his deep speed and his time will pass while we rebuild.
Haynesworth is just young enough to build around for the D, but maybe we can part with one of our safeties for a draft pick. Fletcher, sadly, will be gone by the time this team can rise up again. As bad as it would be to lose him, we need to stockpile draft picks now. The veteran playmakers are wasting the end of their careers here and it would be respectable to let them go, even if we don't get the best value for them.

This team needs so much...

[langleyparkjoe]

Only thing I don't agree with is letting go of Fletch.. he hasn't shown me ANY REASON to think he's slowing down, in fact watching him play amazes me at how well he's still playing for his age. There are other Def. players that I could see us getting rid of but Fletch DEFINITELY isn't one.

[skins2357]

I agree on trading everyoone for picks. But realistcally, many teams will not want to take on the contracts these bums have.

-Portis' contract is a monstrosity, if we expect to get anything for him we would have to pick up a chunk of the contract.

-Moss is making a ton of cash too, and as a declining small receiver I really dont see many teams wanting him.

-The best bet of trading guys are the younger dudes still on rookie contracts. (Landry, McIntosh ect..)

-The only players I see as "moveable" in terms of contracts and cash are:
a) Laron Landry - As much as people here think he sucks, he has a pretty good reputation around the NFL as a young Pro Bowl caliber safety. I think we could get a 2nd rounder here.
b)Andre Carter- This is only assuming he gets to double digit sacks this yr. Sure he is making 5.2 million next yr(hardly a bargain) but someone will see his sacks # and might bite here. I think we could get a 5th rounder here.
c)Carlos Rogers- Now I thought he was a FA next yr, but the cap table says he will count 2.5 mill against the 2010 cap so Im assuming he is RFA next yr. Many people around the league think he is a great corner. He did have a solid yr last yr and we might be able to get a 3rd rounder for him.

Sadly, these are the only contract I think we could move unless the FO decided to eat a boatload of money AND trade the player. When you look at Portis' 12 million next yr he is dued, its hard imagining many teams trading for him with or without a cap.

[USAFSkinFan]

Other than Orakpo and Haynesworth, who obviously aren't going anywhere, is there a player on this team worth a first-round pick? I guess ey would be, but I'm not even sure of that now... and we probably have about 8 frst-round picks on this team... amazing how little value there actually is with this enormous payroll...

[SkinsJock]

I'm for anything that helps but I really hope that any decisions made about this team that might affect the make-up of this team or it's coaches should only be made by the guy that is going to be in charge of this team next season. Now if that is going to be Snyder and Cerrato again, then, they can do whatever they think will help this team - we all know what that will mean, but that's fine with me - I will still be here, supporting the Redskins and hoping for a miracle each week but knowing waht is really likely to happen

We just need to hope that some of these players understand that they could help themselves for next year by looking a lot better in spite of the other players and in spite of the bad play calling



we can only hope - we really do not have much else

[riggofan]

In the upcoming offseason the only priorities this team should have roster wise are youth and future picks. As bad as the O-line is, we may need to trade 2011 picks to win any games at all next year.

I agree we should definitely stockpile picks and work to improve through the draft. But I don't think one draft is going to put us back into the playoffs next year. And we definitely shouldn't trade away 2011 picks - that's the kind of stuff that got us into this mess in the first place!

Its kind of clear what needs to be done. We just need to be prepared to be the Kansas City Chiefs for the next three years or so. Its not going to get fixed overnight, no matter how much money Snyder throws at it or how many draft picks we have in 2010.

[So Cal Skin Dude]

In the upcoming offseason the only priorities this team should have roster wise are youth and future picks. As bad as the O-line is, we may need to trade 2011 picks to win any games at all next year.

I agree we should definitely stockpile picks and work to improve through the draft. But I don't think one draft is going to put us back into the playoffs next year. And we definitely shouldn't trade away 2011 picks - that's the kind of stuff that got us into this mess in the first place!

Its kind of clear what needs to be done. We just need to be prepared to be the Kansas City Chiefs for the next three years or so. Its not going to get fixed overnight, no matter how much money Snyder throws at it or how many draft picks we have in 2010.

I'm fine with this... as long as we can SEE a plan. The last 10 years has been hodgepodge: Fill in with high priced FA's and give less priority in bringing quality offensive linemen and a good QB

The Skins are clearly a case study in what happens if you ignore your line. Also see: Rams, Browns, Raiders, etc.

Theses teams either have a decent QB, but horrible line, others have both bad QB's and line. But having solid on both will definately help win games.

Hail.

[aswas71788]

Trading our best players and 2011 draft picks ? is not a reasonable solution. It is going to take much more than 1 year to fix the current mess. Outside of ey and maybe Haynesworth, there are no players on the Redskins squad that would bring anyting more than a 5th or lower pick, if that. Frankly, outside of those two, I can't think of a player that another team would want to trade a draft pick for. Not to say that there are not good players on the team, there are. They are just not valuable enough to get a draft pick for.

Yes, save draft picks, use them for th 2010 draft and sign FA's wisely. Stop trading draft picks for over-the-hill FA's. Start a building program with a plan and stop treating the Redskins like a Fantasy Football team.

[VetSkinsFan]

You don't trade away. You play the year out, assess what you have, cut the fat, and build from there. It may take more than a year, but you rebuild. You'll get even less value if you trade if it's known that we're blowing the team up.

[Paralis]

The trading deadline's about a month past, so we're stuck with what we've got this year no matter what.

Not that it makes a significant difference; the Skins just don't have players who are both expendable and worth anything on the trade market. Few teams do (it's one of the reasons why player trades happen so rarely) unless there are serious behavioral issues--otherwise, in a salary cap environment, a guy's either getting paid too little to let go of, or too much for another team to pick up, especially once you add in the draft compensation.

So the Skins could probably get a 4th-rounder for Kedric Golston or something like that, but does anybody think that makes the team better?

[SkinsJock]

IMO - way too much importance is being placed here on who we have OR what we can get - this franchise is hopefully about to go through a major change at every level - the ONLY thing that matters is that someone who knows what they're doing starts to piece it all together - IF the same guy or guys are in charge then it really does not make that much difference who is here or not OR what we do BUT If someone new is allowed to begin to re-structure what we have from top to bottom then the light will literally turn on here fo the first time in 10 years

we need a change of culture and we do not need to really worry about anything if we can begin to get that in place - NOBODY here is that good that they cannot be replaced - we need to have a team again - this can happen in a year or two, it really can

[aswas71788]

IMO - way too much importance is being placed here on who we have OR what we can get - this franchise is hopefully about to go through a major change at every level - the ONLY thing that matters is that someone who knows what they're doing starts to piece it all together - IF the same guy or guys are in charge then it really does not make that much difference who is here or not OR what we do BUT If someone new is allowed to begin to re-structure what we have from top to bottom then the light will literally turn on here fo the first time in 10 years

we need a change of culture and we do not need to really worry about anything if we can begin to get that in place - NOBODY here is that good that they cannot be replaced - we need to have a team again - this can happen in a year or two, it really can

Agree 100%

[C.Chaos1964]

If Vinny and Danny Boy are in charge of making draft picks, it does not really matter how many pics we have. Besidses Orakpo and Horton, what kind of value have we got out of our pics the last two years? Picking Horton turned out well, but the Dumb and Dumber just got lucky on that pick.

[DEHog]

If only it was this easy...sorry but you have to take into account what's going to happen with the CBA...I wonder if DS is counting on a uncapped year? Is this the cap hell all the experts predicted??
On the other hand if there is indeed an uncapped year it will give us an excellent (given we hire a real GM) chance to turn this thing around faster.

[BurgundyandGoldfaith]

I'm just saying that a Santana Moss on a rebuilding team does two things. Firstly, he sucks up more passes that could be going to youth in need of gametime experience. Secondly, his (and other veteran playmakers) skills may swing a season one or two games. This keeps the rebuilding proces slow, because at Pick #9 you might just miss out on huge roster solutions that would be there at #6.

The rebuilding process doesn't have to be three or more years. Teams around the league are turning around quickly with new head coaches and that is what this team needs. 8-8 ok season in which there is alot of change, then a direction. For me, there is just no reason to waste great veterans on a 4win team. They need to play meaningful football at the end of their careers when they are more focused on winning. It's better for football.

In a span of 3 years(if it takes that long) this team could have picks of #9,#12,#10(slow rebuilding). If we shed the veteran playmakers, we gain additional picks and lose more games. It's hard to fathom, but picking #5,#7,#11 because we lost a few more games would have ripple effects that could reach to the super bowl. Each round we would have better choices. It's what we need to do.


This offensive line is a travesty and a slap in the face to everyone associated with this team, player or fan. Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato should be ashamed.

[crazyhorse1]

I agree on trading everyoone for picks. But realistcally, many teams will not want to take on the contracts these bums have.

-Portis' contract is a monstrosity, if we expect to get anything for him we would have to pick up a chunk of the contract.

-Moss is making a ton of cash too, and as a declining small receiver I really dont see many teams wanting him.

-The best bet of trading guys are the younger dudes still on rookie contracts. (Landry, McIntosh ect..)

-The only players I see as "moveable" in terms of contracts and cash are:
a) Laron Landry - As much as people here think he sucks, he has a pretty good reputation around the NFL as a young Pro Bowl caliber safety. I think we could get a 2nd rounder here.
b)Andre Carter- This is only assuming he gets to double digit sacks this yr. Sure he is making 5.2 million next yr(hardly a bargain) but someone will see his sacks # and might bite here. I think we could get a 5th rounder here.
c)Carlos Rogers- Now I thought he was a FA next yr, but the cap table says he will count 2.5 mill against the 2010 cap so Im assuming he is RFA next yr. Many people around the league think he is a great corner. He did have a solid yr last yr and we might be able to get a 3rd rounder for him.

Sadly, these are the only contract I think we could move unless the FO decided to eat a boatload of money AND trade the player. When you look at Portis' 12 million next yr he is dued, its hard imagining many teams trading for him with or without a cap.

If you are right about how much our vets are worth, I don't see the point in trading them for draft picks. Sorry, but after round two, the draft is almost worthless, except for an occasional surprize. Rogers for a third rounder who won't make the team? Carter for camp fodder? Again, if you are right about the worth of the vets, we should stay put. Something is better than nothing.

I'm more optimistic. If we grab a QB this year and an O lineman of quality, then a couple of quality FA's, which seems feasible, we'll improve next year. We might even get lucky with a late round OL if we draft three of them. Dockery's is Ok, so we only need four to go with him. Maybe we can get another year out of Casey, though I doubt it. The guys I would trade draft picks for are Kelly and Thomas. Leave the D as is. If it ain't broke, don't scrap it.

[old-timer]

I agree on trading everyoone for picks. But realistcally, many teams will not want to take on the contracts these bums have.

-Portis' contract is a monstrosity, if we expect to get anything for him we would have to pick up a chunk of the contract.

-Moss is making a ton of cash too, and as a declining small receiver I really dont see many teams wanting him.

-The best bet of trading guys are the younger dudes still on rookie contracts. (Landry, McIntosh ect..)

-The only players I see as "moveable" in terms of contracts and cash are:
a) Laron Landry - As much as people here think he sucks, he has a pretty good reputation around the NFL as a young Pro Bowl caliber safety. I think we could get a 2nd rounder here.
b)Andre Carter- This is only assuming he gets to double digit sacks this yr. Sure he is making 5.2 million next yr(hardly a bargain) but someone will see his sacks # and might bite here. I think we could get a 5th rounder here.
c)Carlos Rogers- Now I thought he was a FA next yr, but the cap table says he will count 2.5 mill against the 2010 cap so Im assuming he is RFA next yr. Many people around the league think he is a great corner. He did have a solid yr last yr and we might be able to get a 3rd rounder for him.

Sadly, these are the only contract I think we could move unless the FO decided to eat a boatload of money AND trade the player. When you look at Portis' 12 million next yr he is dued, its hard imagining many teams trading for him with or without a cap.

If you are right about how much our vets are worth, I don't see the point in trading them for draft picks. Sorry, but after round two, the draft is almost worthless, except for an occasional surprize. Rogers for a third rounder who won't make the team? Carter for camp fodder? Again, if you are right about the worth of the vets, we should stay put. Something is better than nothing.

I'm more optimistic. If we grab a QB this year and an O lineman of quality, then a couple of quality FA's, which seems feasible, we'll improve next year. We might even get lucky with a late round OL if we draft three of them. Dockery's is Ok, so we only need four to go with him. Maybe we can get another year out of Casey, though I doubt it. The guys I would trade draft picks for are Kelly and Thomas. Leave the D as is. If it ain't broke, don't scrap it.

Russ Grimm was a third rounder. Jeff Bostic was an undrafted free agent. Joe Jacoby was an undrafted free agent. Ed Simmons was a sixth rounder. We picked up Jim Lachey, a pro bowler, by trading Jay Schroeder, a third rounder to the Raiders. Mark Schlereth was a 10th rounder. Raleigh Mckenzie was an 11th round pick. Don Warren was picked in the 4th round. Mark May, of course, was a first rounder, but he is an exception.

In short, the greatest line in Redskins history, and possibly of the league itself, was built on players picked up, mostly, far after the first round. So I don't think it's fair to say that the only way to succeed with late round OL picks is to get lucky. Good scouting and good coaching are the primary factors here, and but unfortunately it looks like we have neither.

[crazyhorse1]

I agree on trading everyoone for picks. But realistcally, many teams will not want to take on the contracts these bums have.

-Portis' contract is a monstrosity, if we expect to get anything for him we would have to pick up a chunk of the contract.

-Moss is making a ton of cash too, and as a declining small receiver I really dont see many teams wanting him.

-The best bet of trading guys are the younger dudes still on rookie contracts. (Landry, McIntosh ect..)

-The only players I see as "moveable" in terms of contracts and cash are:
a) Laron Landry - As much as people here think he sucks, he has a pretty good reputation around the NFL as a young Pro Bowl caliber safety. I think we could get a 2nd rounder here.
b)Andre Carter- This is only assuming he gets to double digit sacks this yr. Sure he is making 5.2 million next yr(hardly a bargain) but someone will see his sacks # and might bite here. I think we could get a 5th rounder here.
c)Carlos Rogers- Now I thought he was a FA next yr, but the cap table says he will count 2.5 mill against the 2010 cap so Im assuming he is RFA next yr. Many people around the league think he is a great corner. He did have a solid yr last yr and we might be able to get a 3rd rounder for him.

Sadly, these are the only contract I think we could move unless the FO decided to eat a boatload of money AND trade the player. When you look at Portis' 12 million next yr he is dued, its hard imagining many teams trading for him with or without a cap.

If you are right about how much our vets are worth, I don't see the point in trading them for draft picks. Sorry, but after round two, the draft is almost worthless, except for an occasional surprize. Rogers for a third rounder who won't make the team? Carter for camp fodder? Again, if you are right about the worth of the vets, we should stay put. Something is better than nothing.

I'm more optimistic. If we grab a QB this year and an O lineman of quality, then a couple of quality FA's, which seems feasible, we'll improve next year. We might even get lucky with a late round OL if we draft three of them. Dockery's is Ok, so we only need four to go with him. Maybe we can get another year out of Casey, though I doubt it. The guys I would trade draft picks for are Kelly and Thomas. Leave the D as is. If it ain't broke, don't scrap it.

Russ Grimm was a third rounder. Jeff Bostic was an undrafted free agent. Joe Jacoby was an undrafted free agent. Ed Simmons was a sixth rounder. We picked up Jim Lachey, a pro bowler, by trading Jay Schroeder, a third rounder to the Raiders. Mark Schlereth was a 10th rounder. Raleigh Mckenzie was an 11th round pick. Don Warren was picked in the 4th round. Mark May, of course, was a first rounder, but he is an exception.

In short, the greatest line in Redskins history, and possibly of the league itself, was built on players picked up, mostly, far after the first round. So I don't think it's fair to say that the only way to succeed with late round OL picks is to get lucky. Good scouting and good coaching are the primary factors here, and but unfortunately it looks like we have neither.

The good fortune and keen eyes that brought us Grimm, Bostic, and Jacoby was a one time only lightning strike that will never happened again in our lifetimes, old timer. Lachey was acquired because Schroeder had a freak season before working his way out of football, and May was a no-brainer. The others were role players who profited from great management and coaching. Any thought that such a miracle can again happen at Redskin Park even in the distant future should be dismissed at once from your brain. Our late round picks of late almost always end up cut or on the practice squard. Next year won't be any different. Keep the vets unless a trade can be arranged for draft picks in the first two rounds.

[perez24]

You don't trade away. You play the year out, assess what you have, cut the fat, and build from there. It may take more than a year, but you rebuild. You'll get even less value if you trade if it's known that we're blowing the team up.

Good points. As someone noted, teams aren't going to give up high draft picks for anyone on the team. As good as he is, I bet we couldn't get more than 4th round pick for ey. Not that he isn't a great player, but TE's aren't typically worth that much.

[SkinsJock]

Put me in the camp of crossing the bridge when we get there

We should not just let go players who can help the team (ie take what we can get and not get what the players are worth) AND we should try and only bring in players that help the team - are you guys crazy?

thankfully none of the really dumb suggestions about getting rid of players (who are really talented NFL players) before we even know if they might possibly be able to be a better fit for what this franchise is going to be looking for next year, are going to happen here
man we have some really stupid 'potential' GMs here - some of these suggestions are worse than what Cerrato would do