Why the support for Bugel?

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:05 pm

Without delving into smack, why is there so much love for Joe Bugel?

I think some of the things you've done with the coaching staff are great for you, especially Williams, but I just don't "get" Bugel.

Every day there seems to be a new post singing his praises. I understand the support for Gibbs, given that he's had nothing but success, but what has Bugel done in the last 15 years to show he has anything left?

He was a failure in Arizona and with the Raiders and basically destroyed a somewhat decent line in San Diego.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:12 pm

Hey curvey, have you ever even heard of the "Hogs"? Bugel may not have done well in other places, but he's always done well in D.C....and that, certainly, is good enough for me!

chalktalk · Post by **chalktalk** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:12 pm

curveball wrote:Without delving into smack, why is there so much love for Joe Bugel?

Every day there seems to be a new post singing his praises. but what has Bugel done in the last 15 years to show he has anything left?

why do you care? I don't care about George Warhop, you shouldnt care what goes on here.

daddywatson · Post by **daddywatson** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:21 pm

Buges only built one of the best O-Lines in football history and Coach Gibbs knows it. Plus the fact that they're friends and know each other so well, makes for trust, confidence and continuity. Also not to overlook the obvious, This is our team. A team that's been down for awhile. In need of all that I mentioned before plus, structure, discipline and feeling of a tradition coming back. So I guess in conclusion.... DUH!!!!!!!

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:23 pm

Here's one reason why:

The stands themselves were rocking and rumbling. Offensive line coach Joe Bugel was giving the one-finger salute to a Dallas defensive coach. And all of this was just in the hour before kickoff. After the game started, it really got rowdy.

Full Story:
http://nflhistory.net/shared/greatestgames.asp?Team=20

Reason #2 - just wait until the season starts - I feel no need to go back and exlain Buges. 3 Super Bowl appearances and arguably the best OLines for almost a decade... 'nuff said.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:25 pm

Plus, he is SO full of energy. It's great to hear him interviewed. Buges interviews...entertainment value at its highest. He gets me pumped up for this season.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:25 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Hey curvey, have you ever even heard of the "Hogs"? Bugel may not have done well in other places, but he's always done well in D.C....and that, certainly, is good enough for me!

Right... it's kinda like... Why do you like Jimmy Johnson... he stunk in Miami.... or you could say... What's so great about Emmit Smith?? He didn't help the Cards last year??? Bugel was great for us, just because he didn't work out as a head coach... or that he had a bad o-line in San Diego.... we can't forget what he did for us here

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:27 pm

curveball wrote:why is there so much love for Joe Bugel?

Go to the regular site and look at The Hogs history section.

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:38 pm

Another reason:

Arrington said that the most impressive unit during minicamp has been the offensive line, which assistant head coach of offense Joe Bugel has dubbed "the dirtbags." Said Arrington: "He's got those guys on some different type of agenda: 'The dirtbags.' That's their new nickname."

When you have players on the D praising the Oline, you've got something special in the works.

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:43 pm

This is for all the cowboy fans, eagle fans and giant fans: Bugel is nothing to worry about. He's a horrible line coach and our offense will likely sputter this year. I'd totally discount the Redskins this year. Feel free to play your third stringers against our horrible line. In fact, our offense is so bad, you guys should bring back Dave Campo...

For the Skins fans:
I would prefer the Cowboys have no respect for Buges. That will make it even funnier when our o-linemen destroy them.

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:46 pm

Further, he was certainly not a failure in Arizona. The Cards were beginning to play better when they decided to fire him - the owner didn't want to hear any of this nonsense about "talent." I met Coach Bugel in Arizona, more than a great football coach - he's a genuinely SUPER person. His players will go to the end of the Earth for him. The Hogs were great. The Cards were pretty good - but they didn't have a complete team. To blame the Raiders problems on Bugel is just plain ignorant. San Deigo is - well San Diego... other than one decent year with Humphries at QB - they've done little. Remember Ryan Leaf?

No question, Joe Bugel is one of the best O line coaches in the NFL today, yesterday and history - absolutely no doubt whatsoever. I've never been to the Smack Down Room - but nobody better tread on my man Bugel. That make the little hairs on my neck stand up... right eye twitching... lip curling - ALRIGHT - SMACK DOWN NOW!!!!!!!

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:49 pm

He uses the word "Shlobberknocker". What else do you want from the man?

By the way, who was the last coach that wasn't a failure in Arizona?

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:50 pm

Scooter, you are confusing the Raiders with the Chargers...

daddywatson · Post by **daddywatson** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:50 pm

Skeletor wrote:This is for all the cowboy fans, eagle fans and giant fans: Bugel is nothing to worry about. He's a horrible line coach and our offense will likely sputter this year. I'd totally discount the Redskins this year. Feel free to play your third stringers against our horrible line. In fact, our offense is so bad, you guys should bring back Dave Campo...

For the Skins fans:
I would prefer the Cowboys have no respect for Buges. That will make it even funnier when our o-linemen destroy them.

THAT WAS THE BEST!!!!! ROTFALMAO

Hey curveball, where'd you go???? Post and run. Is that the cowpukes strategy as well this season??? Not delving into smack.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:03 pm

chalktalk wrote:
curveball wrote:Without delving into smack, why is there so much love for Joe Bugel?

Every day there seems to be a new post singing his praises. but what has Bugel done in the last 15 years to show he has anything left?

why do you care? I don't care about George Warhop, you shouldnt care what goes on here.

Because finding out what fans like about their team and why makes you a better informed person.

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:30 pm

I started to say something about Bugel last week and alot of people wonder why i had reservations about him and no one else on the skins staff.

I just dont get a good feeling about Bugel, I feel that it maybe because of all the young, talented Defensive coordinators in the league that seem to work countless amout of hours these days. Also defensive players are alot stronger, faster and quicker then they were back in Bugels day. Blitz packages are alot more complex too.

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:33 pm

Let's all jump on that jerk who tried to initiate an intelligent discussion......oh wait...that was me.

Someone brought up Emmitt Smith's lack of success in Arizona, that seems to bolster my argument more than anything. I, for one, wouldn't want Smith starting for my team right now. He's my all-time favorite player, but regardless of what he's done in the past, football's all about the here and now.

My rationale for Bugel being unsuccessful is simple. His MO has always been having one of, if not the, biggest O-line in the game and pounding at the defense. While Dallas copied this with their huge line of the '90's, the trend in the NFL right now is smaller, quicker linemen.

I have no doubt regarding Gibbs ability to adapt to the changing landscape, but I do have serious questions about Bugel's skills.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:36 pm

I just dont get a good feeling about Bugel, I feel that it maybe because of all the young, talented Defensive coordinators in the league that seem to work countless amout of hours these days. Also defensive players are alot stronger, faster and quicker then they were back in Bugels day. Blitz packages are alot more complex too.

You speak as if Bugel hs been forzen for the past decade to preserve his body. You speak is if he hasn't been in the league since he's been a skin. He knows the game just as good, if not better than us.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:43 pm

curveball wrote:Let's all jump on that jerk who tried to initiate an intelligent discussion......oh wait...that was me.

Hey now...

we all weren't attacking you... don't group us together because of one bad apple

Don't make me group you with someone else here

Guys, Curvy is a good guy, and brings alot to the table..... he was just brainwashed as a child to support the enemy... and it's our job to turn him around

curveball wrote:Someone brought up Emmitt Smith's lack of success in Arizona, that seems to bolster my argument more than anything. I, for one, wouldn't want Smith starting for my team right now. He's my all-time favorite player, but regardless of what he's done in the past, football's all about the here and now.

That was me.... bad example.... i shouldn't have used a player.... because regardless a player will perform less after time.....

(notice he didn't comment about the Jimmy Johnson remark though :-" )

curveball wrote: the trend in the NFL right now is smaller, quicker linemen.

I wouldn't consider Robert Gallery... the highly coveted OL in this years draft.... smaller or faster

or Shawn Andrews drafted by philly in the first round either

JonC56 · Post by **JonC56** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:49 pm

curveball, you have not posted one logical thing to back your point. I mean at least give some valid reasons why you think he's going to fail. Are you really saying that olineman are getting smaller. ROTFALMAO

. Yeah jonathan ogden, hes tiny(6'9, 370). HOw about orlando pace, or look at jon runyan , or bryant mckinnie. I mean look at the first olineman drafted this year, robert gallery. There all freakin huge. Actually olineman are getting bigger and bigger, not smaller. Ok, name one Olineman who is under 300 pounds that is considered elite. I'll respect a cowboy fans opoinion if they think out what they sre going to say and back it with facts. you did neither. Also to comment on your first point about , he has one of the best records compared to anyone who has coached the cardinals. He's on there ring of fame for god sake. Anyway, what he does best is coach the oline. He is resposible for coaching probaly the most infamous oline in NFl history. I mean the site is called thehogs.net and you ask why we support JOe bugel. use a little common sense next time you post.

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:03 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
I just dont get a good feeling about Bugel, I feel that it maybe because of all the young, talented Defensive coordinators in the league that seem to work countless amout of hours these days. Also defensive players are alot stronger, faster and quicker then they were back in Bugels day. Blitz packages are alot more complex too.

You speak as if Bugel hs been forzen for the past decade to preserve his body. You speak is if he hasn't been in the league since he's been a skin. He knows the game just as good, if not better than us.

Sorry Chris Luva Luva its just my Ole Jedi knight sense acting up. Like i said its just a feeling.

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:06 pm

Several points, first, I wouldn't welcome Jimmy Johnson back to Dallas. He was successful because he was ahead of the curve with his "speed on defense" philosophy. Everyone else caught up. He didn't adapt with Miami and was burned accordingly. The larger linemen used to wear down a defense were muted by extensive DT rotation that Johnson himself perfected.

Secondly, I used smaller more figuratively than literally. While the tackles you mentioned are huge, none are in the Aaron Gibson range of huge. Andrews is a good example of this. Mid-season, most predicted him as a top five pick, he dropped because he was too big and too slow. He made a nice move back up when he showed he was much smaller than anticipated at his workout. Gallery went so highly based on his amazing quickness and speed more than anything.

JonC56 · Post by **JonC56** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:13 pm

Gallery went first because he is a guy who wieghs like 340 pounds and is quick and strong, Just like the other elite olineman in the NFL. The best olineman in the league is jonathan ogden hands down. After that its orlando pace. The reason they are the best is because they both weigh over 330 and our both extremly quick for there size. Also to comment on your point about andrews, he was a freakin first round draft pick, and the main reason for being picked so high was his SIZE.(HE WEIGHS LIKE 330)

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:18 pm

JonC56 wrote:Also to comment on your point about andrews, he was a freakin first round draft pick, and the main reason for being picked so high was his SIZE.(HE WEIGHS LIKE 330)

345 lb per ESPN.com..... but who's counting anyways

JonC56 · Post by **JonC56** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:24 pm

He did actually slim down and on draft day they, said he was around 330. I dont have a link but that is what chris mortenson, and kiper jr. were saying on draft day. Who knows he could have gone back up to 345 since the draft. Isnt it funny how curveballs argument to me was that lineman are getting smaller and he uses a guy like andrews to back his point. He said he dropped from the top five to the middle of the first round becuase of his size. HE GOT TAKEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIRST ROUND.

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