Even if Dan were to get a real GM and get out of the way

flask1nsfan · Post by **flask1nsfan** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:58 pm

I am sad to think that he has done so much damage that it would still take at least 6 or more years till this team was able to compete in the NFL East and with the good teams out there. So who gives a rats ass anymore? Ill be dead long before they dont suck anymore. At least I got to see them when I was a kid win. I feel so bad for the kids of today whose fav team has always been a joke to watch. Thats got to suck. Sorry for all the fans under 30.

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:24 pm

Naw man - if The Danny, and that's a big if, sees the light it won't take six years. Three, maybe.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:29 pm

Tuna got the momentum turned around in Miami in 2. Miami will be a force next year.

The momentum is turning in Detroit.

The momentum is turning in SF.

About 2 years to turn the team... start seeing results in 3. That's about right, I think... with the right GM. If you're not seeing something in 4 years, it's time to start thinking about another plan.

Shae · Post by **Shae** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:42 am

Agreed. I think this team would turn around quicker than most. It has to do with the fan loyalty, the pride and history, and the fact that an uncapped 2010 could save our team MILLIONS.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:54 am

Countertrey wrote:Tuna got the momentum turned around in Miami in 2. Miami will be a force next year.

The momentum is turning in Detroit.

The momentum is turning in SF.

About 2 years to turn the team... start seeing results in 3. That's about right, I think... with the right GM. If you're not seeing something in 4 years, it's time to start thinking about another plan.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:00 am

Shae wrote:Agreed. I think this team would turn around quicker than most. It has to do with the fan loyalty, the pride and history, and the fact that an uncapped 2010 could save our team MILLIONS.

Two years with a COMPETENT GM.

Forever with a string of Vnny Cerrato, yes Mr. Snyder, impersonators and look alikes.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:48 am

Honestly, if we can convince Danny to hire a real football GM, leave his wallet on the table and walk away. We can turn this around in a few years.

RedskinTexan · Post by **RedskinTexan** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:36 pm

Disagree, the turn around could occur in two years. Other teams have done this with less talent than we have.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:50 pm

SKINFAN wrote:Honestly, if we can convince Danny to hire a real football GM, leave his wallet on the table and walk away. We can turn this around in a few years.

I don't want him leaving his wallet aside, that's the GOOD part about him. Just let someone else spend his money with no intervention.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:22 am

chiefhog44 wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:Honestly, if we can convince Danny to hire a real football GM, leave his wallet on the table and walk away. We can turn this around in a few years.

I don't want him leaving his wallet aside, that's the GOOD part about him. Just let someone else spend his money with no intervention.

Re-read his post. That's what he's saying.

welch · Post by **welch** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:48 am

CT said

Tuna got the momentum turned around in Miami in 2. Miami will be a force next year.

The momentum is turning in Detroit.

The momentum is turning in SF.

About 2 years to turn the team... start seeing results in 3. That's about right, I think... with the right GM. If you're not seeing something in 4 years, it's time to start thinking about another plan.

Recall that Joe Gibbs had the team in the playoffs in his second year.

Three years sounds reasonable for a competent GM, HC, and assuming that Snyder removes himself from everything except collecting the trophies. (Of course no one is Joe Gibbs except for Joe G himself. )

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:48 am

Champsturf wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:Honestly, if we can convince Danny to hire a real football GM, leave his wallet on the table and walk away. We can turn this around in a few years.

I don't want him leaving his wallet aside, that's the GOOD part about him. Just let someone else spend his money with no intervention.
Re-read his post. That's what he's saying.

Didn't know he meant that.

In conclusion, I agree

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:59 am

I don't think it will take very long at all - we just need to get an NFL tam on the field that can be consistently competitive - that will not take very long if the team is assembled by a guy or guys that know what they are doing - we have a team that could have beaten the Eagles if they just played better together and this team has been assembled by guys who really have proven to be inept - my point is we are not far away and there are a lot of bad teams out there that we will be instantly better than

we just need to get good management in here and we will see the effects very quickly and I would expect 2 years at the worst :lol:

HOWEVER Im not sure we will see the changes we need very soon

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:37 am

There is talent on the team. Especially the defensive side.
Leadership is what needs to be brought in. Also holes on the offensive side.

So the most important hire would have to be a new GM. Or a head Coach who will have the say in who is drafted.
We all want Vinny gone. I just do not see it happening. Snyder has not fired him after ten years. I will have to see it to believe it. Oh the joyous celebrations that will go on when that day comes.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:49 am

flask1nsfan wrote:I am sad to think that he has done so much damage that it would still take at least 6 or more years till this team was able to compete in the NFL East and with the good teams out there. So who gives a rats ass anymore? Ill be dead long before they dont suck anymore. At least I got to see them when I was a kid win. I feel so bad for the kids of today whose fav team has always been a joke to watch. Thats got to suck. Sorry for all the fans under 30.

Danny "getting out of the way" is sadly not a sustainable solution. The owner of a business (I own two) cannot do that because no matter how you design a job the owner owns the purse strings and sets the direction. Guys with huge egos like Jerry Jones and George Steinbrenner and our own beloved JKC found ways to make it work and Danny has to also. That he showed the incredible flat out business stupidity to undercut his HC like he did makes me skeptical. I keep reminding myself how Georgie publicly ripped his stars and coaches also and yet won as hope it's at least possible. But those advocating he "step out of the way" are naive, it will never work. Believe me if it could I would be for it. Danny needs to find a way to deal with this.

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:26 pm

It's quite possible to set the direction and still be out of the way.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:33 pm

RedskinsFreak wrote:It's quite possible to set the direction and still be out of the way.

I agree with you if you're saying that the owner can be involved in those things which the owner must do like direction, setting a budget and approving major hires and signings, that sort of thing, but stay out of the way for the GM to actually run the organization. I'm actually advocating that's the only way it would work. However, that's not how I took the connotation of the title of the thread or the people who say that. I take it they are looking for him to truly have zero input into the Redskins as a way of sort of a pseudo way of him "selling" the team. I'm saying that wouldn't work, the owner has to have input and would never sign blank checks or give up all control and frankly even a strong GM wouldn't want that. They can have broad bounds but not no bounds or it's sort of like Amex, no pre-set spending limit doesn't mean no limit and someone not writing the checks could never make that final call.

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:53 pm

What's your idea of "input"? I can see the owner being a tiebreaker if the GM and coach differ on a certain decision.

But if his football people tell him "This guy doesn't have it any more" or "We'll be too thin at too many other positions if we spend [X dollars] on this one player", "input" shouldn't mean "I don't care, get him anyway."

The day-to-day mundane task of running an NFL team can be done without one iota of "input."

Things like Friday "what are we gonna do" lunches with the coach are frivolous and exist only to stroke egos.

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