Sun Tzu, Daniel Snyder and Jim Zorn

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Sun Tzu, Daniel Snyder and Jim Zorn

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Nothing. There is absolutely nothing that has been going wrong with our offence which was not predicted as a source of serious problems by many analysts. the media, the fans and a number of realistic posters in this and other Redskins boards throughout the period spanning between the end of last season and this past devastatingly disappointing weekend.

We knew that we were running a Team with an old and prone-to-injury OL. We knew that we had no depth of any reasonable quality in that unit. We knew that no quality draft help had come around since … well … since Chris Samuels was drafted in 2000 !!!

We knew that our beleaguered QB needed more time than most other QBs due to mental and mechanical execution limitations because he is not suited to run this brand of WCO. We knew that a weak or bad OL does not lend itself to have a good rushing production no matter who is the RB. We knew that offence was going to struggle big time for all the above reasons.

So, why are many of you surprised, angry and pointing fiery fingers full of righteous indignation at individual coaches and players now ???

Most of you are passing judgment on the consequences and not on the causes that got us where we are now. Sun Tzu diagnosed this situation better than anybody else many centuries ago:

All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.


You are passing judgment on the circumstances surrounding the poor performance of individual players and coaches with a fiery finger assigning blame with righteous indignation. Why?

Sun Tzu always warned and cautioned:

Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.


We have not had a strategy since Joe Gibbs 1 left the team in 1992, which includes the entire ownership of Dan Snyder since 1989 over the last decade. We have had only tons of tactics and noise before defeat with splashy and expensive acquisitions. I call it snake oil and malignant advertising circus.

This team has not had a plan, vision, distinct personality or identity since 1992. Sure, there were flashes of return to the old glory days over brief moments upon the return of Joe Gibbs 2 but even those moments always were affected by regressions and subsequent failures because there were deeper problems than the appointment of a great general.

The failures of Dan Snyder as the sovereign of the Redskin Nation are well forecasted by Sun Tzu too as the opposite of his advice:

Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.


In other words, preparation for victory is essential to victory itself. In today's NFL, Front Offices decide well in advance with preparation who the winners and losers on the field are during the regular season. NFL Front Offices compete with their strategies and work plans as hard or harder than coaches and players do on the field. The result of our defeats MUST be pointed at the right place: Daniel Snyder and his management and management style of this franchise.

John Madden, among many other analysts, pointed out the selection of poorer player personnel as the difference between the first and second stints of Joe Gibbs with the Redskins. I call that difference: the Bobby Beathard difference. When victory had been prepared for by Bobby Beathard at the Front Office with vision, plan and careful selections of great players, it was all but secure on the field by Joe Gibbs. Great strategy and tactics worked hand in hand.

There is only one conclusion: The Washington Redskins are a dysfunctional organization on the field BECAUSE this is the effect of a dysfunctional Ownership and Front Office management and management style.

As for Jim Zorn, he could have benefited from the Chinese grand master of strategy as well:

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.


Jim Zorn can be blamed for not adapting his strategy (system) to the resources (players) that he has available to take best advantage of them. He has remained stubbornly blind to the urgent adjustments that he needed to implement if he wanted to effect a transition from a power run system to his own brand of WCO. The strategy does not work because it cannot work with the current personnel and he has refused to adjust to the circumstances.

But as if Zorn did not lack the capacity to implement his strategy (system) with the current resources (players), he now has faced the ultimate dead blow: interference by the sovereign.

Zorn's greatest moment as a Washington Redskins Head Coach took place during his press conference yesterday when he finally assumed full and complete responsibility of the failures of the team as a whole. While some of you might think that this was too little too late, I get to know and appreciate people in the greatest of difficulties and most adverse circumstances. I will respect him for this action for a long time.

Zorn's worst moment as a Washington Redskin's Head Coach took place later on yesterday evening as well during his meeting with Vinny "the puppet" Cerrato. No coach of dignity and self-respect can accept the humiliating requirement to remove his play calling mandate. A firing by the FO, or a resignation by the coach would have been the honourable procedure to go away. It is not too late Jim. Refuse to work under those undignified conditions. You are too good a man under no-win circumstances to accept this treatment.

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Wow - that's long.
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frankcal20 wrote:Wow - that's long.


Either RiC's inspired to write a long diatribe on an obvious topic, or...he's had that one in the can for awhile ;)
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Post by HitDoctor »

I started this text last week. Nice write up!
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I was excited about getting Zorn as the HC but I totally agree that one of his failures is to not have adapted very well to the talent he has available on offence - I agree that the players have not been selected by guys that have any sort of plan but good coaches have to utilize what they have and it has been Zorn's failure to utilize or come up with a game plan on offence here that has just added to the fact that the players were not assembled or brought in here by guys who have any idea of what they need for sustained success

IMO he has now lost the confidence of some of his players and coaches

while I have little hope for much success for Zorn and the team, it would be a bonus if Snyder were to not only bring in a new HC but also see that the way we have gone about things here since 1999 has not worked

bringing in super coaches and super talented players is just good marketing - it will not mean we will have a team that can consistently be successful
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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Post by Redskin in Canada »

PulpExposure wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Wow - that's long.


Either RiC's inspired to write a long diatribe on an obvious topic, or...he's had that one in the can for awhile ;)

The whole post was written anew today. I wanted to say my peace in a single unified post as opposed to many little pieces scattered all over the board.

Hopefully the post is not considered a diatribe but the reaffirmation of a view long held and defended in this board with the advantage of the current record and facts known to all.

The topic might be obvious but many of you might remember the long debates held in this board where many other posters took opposite positions or reserved judgment until the facts truly indicated clearly what to think about this Front Office and Ownership.

I do not write this post as vindication or with a "It told you so" attitude. I wrote this post with a true intention to gather general support for true change in Redskin Park and a unified voice from fans to demand accountability and change from the Owner.

That's all.
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Thank you, captian obvious.

What wise lesson is next? Don't tell me you're going to try to convince us the world isn't flat...
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VetSkinsFan wrote:Thank you, captian obvious.

What wise lesson is next? Don't tell me you're going to try to convince us the world isn't flat...


I think there are principles and lessons in there that haven't been grasped by many people, most of all Dan Snyder. RiC is — successfully, I think — getting to the core of the problem here.

Since this is a thread for dangerously-close-to-overplayed quotes, here's one of my favorites: "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root" - Henry David Thoreau

Maybe it's obvious to you . . . but we can only wish it was so for many other Skins fans (who are blaming lots of non-problems or who blame Danny for the wrong reasons), and most of all to Mr. Snyder.
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Good Post RIC - could not agree more.
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Well done, RiC... '


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I just hope that he doesn't object to being paired with the pathetic duo in the title. :wink:
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Post by MEZZSKIN »

NICE JOB RiC!

It was a well thought out and spot on post. Plus i'm sure posting that message served as some therapy for you, as we all try to cope and deal with the mindnumbing stupidity that is Daniel Snyder's Redskins
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frankcal20 wrote:Wow - that's long.


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Thanks RiC. Posts like that are why this website is the creme de la creme of NFL websites.
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Re: Sun Tzu, Daniel Snyder and Jim Zorn

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Redskin in Canada wrote:Zorn's worst moment as a Washington Redskin's Head Coach took place later on yesterday evening as well during his meeting with Vinny "the puppet" Cerrato. No coach of dignity and self-respect can accept the humiliating requirement to remove his play calling mandate. A firing by the FO, or a resignation by the coach would have been the honourable procedure to go away.


Yeah I agree. I'm sure this is all some necessary posturing on Zorn's part to make sure he leaves DC getting paid as much as possible. You can't really blame him for that. This job has done a lot of damage to his future as a coach I would think, so he'd better collect as much money on his way out the door as he can.

Its possible if he'd said "no way" to Cerrato's suggestion that it might have been some kind of trigger to allow them to fire him and not have to pay him.
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RIC has achieved a beautifully written and brilliantly thought- out post that is totally correct in relation to analogy and direct application of cogent principle. He is to be applauded.
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Re: Sun Tzu, Daniel Snyder and Jim Zorn

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riggofan wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:Zorn's worst moment as a Washington Redskin's Head Coach took place later on yesterday evening as well during his meeting with Vinny "the puppet" Cerrato. No coach of dignity and self-respect can accept the humiliating requirement to remove his play calling mandate. A firing by the FO, or a resignation by the coach would have been the honourable procedure to go away.


Yeah I agree. I'm sure this is all some necessary posturing on Zorn's part to make sure he leaves DC getting paid as much as possible. You can't really blame him for that. This job has done a lot of damage to his future as a coach I would think, so he'd better collect as much money on his way out the door as he can.

Its possible if he'd said "no way" to Cerrato's suggestion that it might have been some kind of trigger to allow them to fire him and not have to pay him.


There are two hypothesis here:

1. He has he done damage to his career.

Has he? I do not know. On the one hand, he gained visibility and he had some good results last year. The collapse of the Skins offence can be closely associated with an old and now poor OL. He can blame poor player personnel choices by the Front Office. But there is no question that -some- damage can be laid on him for poor play calling and for trying to implement the wrong system in the wrong team.

So, I partially agree but I also feel that he will land soon another opportunity at a lower level, pehaps his old position as QBs coach.

2. He accepted such undignified terms for the money.

I have serious doubts about the existence of a clause that may invalidate his contract and be fired without compensation due to a refusal to not calling plays. Such a clause would be against NFL rules.

But ... if your speculation is true that there may have been an arrangement under the table for a greater financial goodbye package based on the precondition of such an arrangement, it would be worse.

A man of dignity does not sell his pride and soul EVER to anybody, no matter what the price.

I know Jim Zorn was the wrong man with the wrong system in the wrong team. He really had no chance. But I would propose that he is a man of dignity and pride and such speculation is unfounded.
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Redskin in Canada wrote:2. He accepted such undignified terms for the money.

That would mean he did so from the person who wrote the book on the maneuver.

RiC, that's the perfect word I've been looking for in describing Vinny's deal. He gave up his professional dignity to keep the last NFL job for which he will ever be considered.
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Redskin in Canada wrote:1. He has he done damage to his career.

Has he? I do not know. On the one hand, he gained visibility and he had some good results last year.


Well let me ask you this. Do you think anybody is going to hire him as a head coach next year? Anytime soon? Yeah me neither. So he may get another job as a position coach, probably will, but that's by definition a step back. Personally I'd consider that damage to my career, but we can disagree about that.

Redskin in Canada wrote:I have serious doubts about the existence of a clause that may invalidate his contract and be fired without compensation due to a refusal to not calling plays. Such a clause would be against NFL rules.


I'm sure you're right that there is not a clause that specifically says he could be fired for refusing to not call plays. But you could be fired more generally for "insubordination". i.e. The boss told you to do something reasonable (let Sherm Lewis call the plays) and you refused to do it, and you just broke your contract.

I would be pretty willing to bet that the circumstances of firing Zorn affect how his contract is paid out in the end.
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riggofan wrote:Well let me ask you this. Do you think anybody is going to hire him as a head coach next year? Anytime soon? Yeah me neither. So he may get another job as a position coach, probably will, but that's by definition a step back. Personally I'd consider that damage to my career, but we can disagree about that.

No, I do not disagree that he has made some damage to his career. I argue that the damage is reparable and if he does good things as an assistant, in due time, he might get another chance.

I would be pretty willing to bet that the circumstances of firing Zorn affect how his contract is paid out in the end.
Unfortunately, I am beginning to think that Dan Snyder and Jim Zorn are playing their game to their best advantage in view of the imminent changes.

How much more sad can this situation become?
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I think Zorn could have been an outstanding coach but as I heard today, we gave him a bag of dirty laundry and we expect him to dress up. I don't think it is disgraceful to still want to win, and if he quits then Dan n Vin look to have been right all along. Zorn needs to continue to do the best he can until they own up to their mistakes and fire him. I hope for everyone's sake, it becomes an issue where the FO wasted precious time trying to save money trying to get him to resign and it turns into yet another black eye from those who rightfully deserve many.
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Irn-Bru wrote:Since this is a thread for dangerously-close-to-overplayed quotes, here's one of my favorites: "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root" - Henry David Thoreau.


Well, let me add my My 2 cents in the context of your own quote and the thread:

cent 1:

Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe.
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A winning effort begins with preparation.
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Redskin in Canada wrote:No coach of dignity and self-respect can accept the humiliating requirement to remove his play calling mandate...


Except for this guy, right?

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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Except for this guy, right?

Joe Gibbs DECIDED who would call plays. Jim Zorn had the right and responsibility to make that decision removed away from him.
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