Cheap and Dirty Play

Joe G. · Post by **Joe G.** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:53 pm

One thing that I am glad about Joe Gibbs return is. I was sick of seeing the Redskins play clean and fair. I am Glad Gibbs is coming back and bring cheap and dirty play back to Washington. The Hogs they were the dirtiest o-line out there. All the great teams play dirty and cheap. Like the Panthers and Patriots. Those temas were dirty and cheap and you saw were they ended up. When your dirty other temas fear you. How had the best o-line the past couple of years? Broncos and they were known as the dirtiest around. If you play clean and fair your a loser just ask Steve Spurrier. "If your not cheating your not trying" Vince Lembardi. If you don't believe the Patriots weren't dirty and cheap than asked Brandon Noble. How won the SB before that the Bucs, Warren Sapp, that hit on Livingston was beautiful. Hopefully we will see cheap hits like that in washington and on Dallas, Philly, or the Giants.

Joe G. · Post by **Joe G.** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:55 pm

Sorry I meant Who not how.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:47 am

I would not be a Redskin-Gibbs fan if I wanted "cheap and dirty" play from my team. Cheap shots? No thanks.

The Hogs were the -toughest- line in the business. They wore out opponents and they intimidated other teams. Tough does not mean cheap. Tough does not mean dirty.

Would I care to have had Sapp in my line? No thanks. He is no Redskin material to use Coach's terminology.

Woul I wish my team to deliver cheap shots on others of the kind B. Noble received? No thanks.

Do I want the toughest line in the business? Definitely yes. How tough? Tough enough not to let -anybody- try or even thgink about any cheap dirt on any of my players.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:19 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:The Hogs were the -toughest- line in the business. They wore out opponents and they intimidated other teams. Tough does not mean cheap. Tough does not mean dirty.

Woul I wish my team to deliver cheap shots on others of the kind B. Noble received? No thanks.

Do I want the toughest line in the business? Definitely yes. How tough? Tough enough not to let -anybody- try or even thgink about any cheap dirt on any of my players.

DITTO

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:55 am

Joe G. wrote:One thing that I am glad about Joe Gibbs return is. I was sick of seeing the Redskins play clean and fair. I am Glad Gibbs is coming back and bring cheap and dirty play back to Washington. The Hogs they were the dirtiest o-line out there. All the great teams play dirty and cheap. Like the Panthers and Patriots. Those temas were dirty and cheap and you saw were they ended up. When your dirty other temas fear you. How had the best o-line the past couple of years? Broncos and they were known as the dirtiest around. If you play clean and fair your a loser just ask Steve Spurrier. "If your not cheating your not trying" Vince Lembardi. If you don't believe the Patriots weren't dirty and cheap than asked Brandon Noble. How won the SB before that the Bucs, Warren Sapp, that hit on Livingston was beautiful. Hopefully we will see cheap hits like that in washington and on Dallas, Philly, or the Giants.

Someone's been watching too much WWE

There might be a Cheap or Dirty "player" on a team.... but I don't think thats any coaches philosophy on how to play the game of football. You wouldn't even see it as much now a days because these guys could be on opposing teams one year and on the same team the next.... That's not how it was in the past....

I think you were talking about Chad Clifton not "Livingston" was the guy Sapp hit.... and some might call it a cheap shot, but the NFL called it a fair hit, and Clifton had no ill will towards Sapp.... The fact is Clifton didn't have his head on a swivel on that play, and it was all legal..... I've been hit like that... and I got up feeling stupid because the only guy i was concentrating on was the guy with the ball.

In all, football's not about getting Cheap Shots in on the other team.... It's about scoring Touchdown's, and Stopping Touchdown's.... if the Skins are going around cheap shoting guys it's gonna happen back to them.... which causes injuries, which cause's less chances to win games... which is the main goal... understand?

johnjack · Post by **johnjack** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:57 am

I agree with most of the replying posts. I would not characterize "the Hogs" as "cheap and dirty" players. I would say that they attempted to do the intimidating, rather than being intimidated. The closest guy on that line that I think you might make a case for being "dirty" might be Mark May. But I interpreted it more as nastiness, rather than being dirty. One specific play comes to mind, in one playoff game in Chicago after the Skins came back from a 14-0 deficit when we scored. You can see Mark May pushing one of the Bears D-Lineman off the pile. Remember that this is not far from when the Bears were the "Monsters of the Midway". Before the game was over, the Bears D were the ones that were intimidated. My $0.02.

rick301 · Post by **rick301** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:19 am

johnjack wrote:I agree with most of the replying posts. I would not characterize "the Hogs" as "cheap and dirty" players. I would say that they attempted to do the intimidating, rather than being intimidated. The closest guy on that line that I think you might make a case for being "dirty" might be Mark May. But I interpreted it more as nastiness, rather than being dirty. One specific play comes to mind, in one playoff game in Chicago after the Skins came back from a 14-0 deficit when we scored. You can see Mark May pushing one of the Bears D-Lineman off the pile. Remember that this is not far from when the Bears were the "Monsters of the Midway". Before the game was over, the Bears D were the ones that were intimidated. My $0.02.

I agree. Dirty plays encourage retaliation back and that leads to penalties - usually by the retaliators. Is that what was happening last year? It is much better to play hard, play fair, play to overwhelm your opponent. You do that with technique, heart, drive, conditioning and talent. With Gibbs and Bugel you have all those ingredients, but maybe a little light on DL talent. But you can make up for talent with all those other attributes. Thats why I believe that the skins will be in the top 10 if not the top 5 in both OL and DL this year and make it into the playoffs. Especially if everyone stays healthy.

Enough rambling for my first post!

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:52 pm

Jessie Armtead - 15 yard penalty to change the momentum of the first Giants game last year. THat was dirty play that made us lose the game. I don't want any part of that. Smart play is what we need...

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:46 pm

Slightly off topic, but relevant.

Has anyone ever seen Sportscenters "Top 10 Unsportsmanlike Plays" of all time? It's from a couple of years back, but the Skins get 2 appearances on it.

The first appearance is a clip of Stephen Alexander (in a pre-season game against [I think] Carolina) punching a guy in the nuts during punt return coverage. The player just kind of sinks to the ground and Alexander goes running off--no flags.

The other is Westbrook beating up Stephen Davis in mini-camp. It looks like Chris Dishman breaks up the scuffle, but that clip alone has made me hate Westbrook more than any of his mediocre-to-crappy games. :evil:

I don't care if he's gone--Stephen Davis was, and is, the man.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:30 pm

cheap and dirty = holding and offsides. what wasn't dirty and even crappy about our playing in the trenches the last few years. how many bs penalties did we have last year? i'm hoping for discipline not chaos......

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