Who Starts Monday Night

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:07 am

Do we go back to JC

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:08 am

TC should start. JC will start.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:10 am

JC should start and will start. He is clearly the better athlete. With the line so porous, we have to have a mobile QB.

I think with JC, he has to just go out and play. Don't worry about anything else, just play ball.

danegotti · Post by **danegotti** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:12 am

I say Campbell but it honestly really won't matter. Do you think Tom Brady would have thrown for 5 TD's in one quarter with the Skins O-line? No way. I feel bad for Sherman Lewis coming in trying to fix an un-fixable problem.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:12 am

Without better protection, they could start the real JC and it wouldn't matter. He can walk on water, but he can't complete passes from his hindquarters.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:36 am

JC said today that he is going to prepare to be the starting QB for next week. I'm sure we will hear more later when JZ speaks.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:38 am

JansenFan wrote:Without better protection, they could start the real JC and it wouldn't matter. He can walk on water, but he can't complete passes from his hindquarters.

- that's exactly right - I think that Campbell gets to go again but he really needs to get a little help from the play calling and the line if at all possible :shock:

btw - did anyone see where Betts came in and 'helped' the LT with a double team on the end - I certainly hope that sequence is shown a few times in the film room this week - we have really got some issues with some of these players not being able to do what they are meant to do

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:50 am

I don't think it will make a difference. But I wouldn't mind seeing TC get the start since we've already opened that can of worms. Might as well put him out there and see what happens.

I think Campbell has played about as well as he is going to play this year. It doesn't seem like he is really able to rise above the weaknesses on the team and make much of a difference - which is too bad for all of us.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:52 am

I really don't see TC doing that either - I actually see us being worse under TC. At least JC can pick up yards with his feet.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:54 am

I believe Sherman Lewis will want Campbell for some reason.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:55 am

JansenFan wrote:Without better protection, they could start the real JC and it wouldn't matter. He can walk on water, but he can't complete passes from his hindquarters.

Too dag gone funny!!!

I was going to say the same thing. At least this will hopefully shut people up who say TC is the best man to play. I said it before, that OLine will get any QB creamed back there. JC should and hopefully will start vs. the smeagels. I will pray for us [-o<

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:56 am

I think he know's that the kid's got talent. Someone just needs to give him comfort and let him know that we are here to support him. I don't think we should coddle him but at the same time, a little support would probably do some good things.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:56 am

frankcal20 wrote:I really don't see TC doing that either - I actually see us being worse under TC. At least JC can pick up yards with his feet.

How could we be worse? With JC were scored ZERO, yes ZERO, points yesterday against the WORST defense in the NFL. Give TC a chance. At leat we scored when he was in. We have nothing at all to lose at this point.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:06 pm

danegotti wrote:I say Campbell but it honestly really won't matter. Do you think Tom Brady would have thrown for 5 TD's in one quarter with the Skins O-line? No way. I feel bad for Sherman Lewis coming in trying to fix an un-fixable problem.

No Brady wouldn't have thrown five TDs, but would have connected on the two TDs JC missed and may have thrown more, either way we win that game with Brady. Had TC been on the field in the first half he probably would have made those throws and we would have won.

Look I understand TC is not Brady and Brady wouldn't be Brady behind this line.

HOWEVER, there is A LOT of room for improvement from the QB possition, much like every other spot on the offense. JC led the offense to 3 points (that were set up by the D) against the Panthers and ZERO against the Chiefs. 6 quarters, 3 points for JC. 2 quarters 6 points for TC. Not much of an improvement, but it is an improvement. Yes, one of those FGs was set up by a long CP run, but maybe he got the edge because the Safeties and LB weren't playing run first, since he had just connected to Moss for 45 yards on the previous drive.

I was ticketed off that "Mr. Can't ever make a guy miss in the open field" didn't score when his 280 lbs FB was still lead blocking 60 yards down field. I understand if you can't make a guy miss one on one, but COME ON, when it's you AND a blocker you HAVE TO make that guy miss!!!!!!

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:08 pm

JansenFan wrote:Without better protection, they could start the real JC and it wouldn't matter. He can walk on water, but he can't complete passes from his hindquarters.

...but he could part the "green sea"

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:14 pm

A QB needs a running game. CP only averaged 2.1 yds per run in the 1st half. That's terrible. We also starting running a ton of screen passes and that's what actually worked in the 2nd half. JC didn't have those options in the 1st.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:17 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote: JC should and hopefully will start vs. the smeagels. I will pray for us

Why, so we can score ZERO points again? JC can't get it done with a good line and certainly can't get it done with this line, so WHY CONTINUE THE INSANITY!

TC may or may not do better, but at least there is a chance with him. We have NONE with JC. Promote the guy, whatever his name is, from the practice squad; start ARE at QB; I DON'T CARE: but PLEASE. PLEASE let get of this crazy treadmill called Jason Campbell.

I'm done with him!!!! I hope he never takes another snap in a Skins uni EVER again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know the season is toast, I'm fine with that! I will watch bad football from here on out, but I don't want to watch it with that knuckle head at QB!

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:21 pm

Not sure why he's a knuckle head.

I have to ask you this though - when did JC every play with a good o-line this season?

From the beginning of training camp - every lineman that is out right now was coming off of surgeries and also had other injuries they were dealing with. So when did he have a good o line this season?

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:22 pm

frankcal20 wrote:A QB needs a running game. CP only averaged 2.1 yds per run in the 1st half. That's terrible. We also starting running a ton of screen passes and that's what actually worked in the 2nd half. JC didn't have those options in the 1st.

Frank, I'm sorry, but we can't use logic and fact here. It's all blind emotion and assumptions. Thanks for your patronage.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:23 pm

Just trying to keep it real for everyone but some on here are so ready to crucify one player for the teams failures and front office failure is just nuts i.m.o.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:24 pm

I'd go ahead and put ARE back there and run the wildcat... At this point we might as well explore all options.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:25 pm

frankcal20 wrote:A QB needs a running game. CP only averaged 2.1 yds per run in the 1st half. That's terrible. We also starting running a ton of screen passes and that's what actually worked in the 2nd half. JC didn't have those options in the 1st.

Hmm, funny how a QB can affect a run game too! TC hit Moss on his first serries in and all of a sudden CP breaks a long run. Maybe, just maybe the two are somehow related. #-o

Look I get it, you think that JC isn't the route of all of the Skins problems. I get it, neither do I! Howvever, ther is room for improved play from the QB possition; that can't be denied! Why not give TC a shot.

The only problem is he isn't going to get the same shot. He will face much tougher opponents and do it behind a worse OL. Maybe if we had started the Season with TC we might have won one, two, or all three of the games against winless teams!!

TincoSkin · Post by **TincoSkin** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:27 pm

danegotti wrote:I say Campbell but it honestly really won't matter. Do you think Tom Brady would have thrown for 5 TD's in one quarter with the Skins O-line? No way. I feel bad for Sherman Lewis coming in trying to fix an un-fixable problem.

he is not coming in to fix anything, he is a bridge to next year. he is a way for danny to look like he is on top of the situation.

this year is lost and sherm knows it. danny knows it, we know it, zorn knows it, the players know it, god knows it, your mom knows it, etc etc etc

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:29 pm

DEHog wrote:
JansenFan wrote:Without better protection, they could start the real JC and it wouldn't matter. He can walk on water, but he can't complete passes from his hindquarters.

...but he could part the "green sea"

Then let's start him at Guard. :rock:

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:31 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote: JC should and hopefully will start vs. the smeagels. I will pray for us

Why, so we can score ZERO points again? JC can't get it done with a good line and certainly can't get it done with this line, so WHY CONTINUE THE INSANITY!

TC may or may not do better, but at least there is a chance with him. We have NONE with JC. Promote the guy, whatever his name is, from the practice squad; start ARE at QB; I DON'T CARE: but PLEASE. PLEASE let get of this crazy treadmill called Jason Campbell.

I'm done with him!!!! I hope he never takes another snap in a Skins uni EVER again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know the season is toast, I'm fine with that! I will watch bad football from here on out, but I don't want to watch it with that knuckle head at QB!

I know your speaking out of frustration friend, but do you realize what you just said? :lol:

"Promote the guy, whatever his name is, from the practice squad;..." Come on now man, I'm not saying JC is the answer, but what I will say is I believe TC isn't either as evident by yesterday's game. Also, keep in mind the knuckle head isn't turning the ball over and the WRs aren't helping much by way of dropped passes either. Please don't get me misunderstood, I'm not saying he's the answer (again) but for this team with THAT OLine w/out Samuels, leave him in.