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UK Skins Fan wrote:If it's a non cap year, why not trade our whole team for draft picks? Might end up with half a dozen first round picks and a bag of dry roasted peanuts at least. Then draft a QB, two o-linemen and a linebacker.

Yep, I'm joking. But only half joking. If next year really is a non cap year, I think we should blow it up and start again.


I agree completely (in fact, I think I made this point 5 pages ago... but I won't hold that against you :wink: ). In fact, since this will be an uncapped year, it's potentially the deepest draft in a long time... trading for draft picks this year could not only be more plausible, but also more fruitful.

I don't know about 6 first rounders... but 2 plus 2 or 3 additional 2nd rounders seems plausible.

If we do get a late first rounder via trade I think it makes a lot more sense to go after a QB. Like I said, we shouldn't be able to take Bradford at 7-9 and a Clausen or McCoy pick would be a reach (also, I'm strongly against having two QBs named Colt).

I'd encourage you all to watch Tony Pike tonight vs. USF. There's a chance he could make it to our 2nd round pick, but if we are able to trade for late 1st rounders then he should definitely be our QB target. O-line and D-line should remain our early first round priority this year.

Of course, if Vinny is making the moves then we'll be trading our picks for old worn out players or picking overhyped busts, and this discussion is moot.
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frankcal20 wrote:If you have a chance for a "CAN'T MISS" lineman, you've got to take him. Could you imagine if we could get a 2nd coming of Chris Samuels and put him at RT? Man that would be nice.


You can't hope for tto much better than Samuels and Jansen in back to back season. We are 68 and 81 with Samuels as our starting LT. The year before we drafted Samuals we had Andy "who the" Heck playing LT and we won the division and a playoff game because we got good QB play from BJ.

In 05 we got good QB play from Brunell and we went to the playoffs and won a playoff game. In 2007 we got good QB play at he end of the season from TC and we went to the playoffs.

Yes, we desperately need OL help, but a good QB can cover up a lot of problems on a team. A great QB can down right take a bad OL to the SB, just like Warner and Big Ben did last year.

You stick Soup on the 91 Skins team and they don't even make the playoffs!


Here, here. You got that straight.

Big Ben is a classic example of a guy who makes plays on his own. He's been sacked and pressured more than Campbell, but doesn't lose sight of his targets down field.

The moment pressure appears, Campbell is looking for his dump off, instead of finding that extra second for a deep target to come open.


The Steelers O-Line is way better than the Skins has been since mid last season. The biggest reason for all the sacks is Big Ben himself. He holds the ball forever.

Also the Cards are a good pass blocking team.

A good O-Line is very important.


The Steelers line is better than our is right now, but not at the beginning of the season or at the end of last year.

The Cards may have the worst OL in football! They can't run and Warner gets hit every play. The only reason they don't lead the league in sacks allowed is baecaus Warner gets rid of the ball so quick.


The Skins line was awful the second half of last year! There is absolutely no way they were better than either of the SB participants in the second half of last year.
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HEROHAMO wrote:Priorities for the draft IMHO should be as follows.

1. Oline
2. Outside linebacker
3. Young RB to split time with Portis eventual replacement.


I agree except they should cut Portis to get his contract off the books in a non cap year.
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UK Skins Fan wrote:If it's a non cap year, why not trade our whole team for draft picks? Might end up with half a dozen first round picks and a bag of dry roasted peanuts at least. Then draft a QB, two o-linemen and a linebacker.

Yep, I'm joking. But only half joking. If next year really is a non cap year, I think we should blow it up and start again.


I agree completely (in fact, I think I made this point 5 pages ago... but I won't hold that against you :wink: ). In fact, since this will be an uncapped year, it's potentially the deepest draft in a long time... trading for draft picks this year could not only be more plausible, but also more fruitful.

I don't know about 6 first rounders... but 2 plus 2 or 3 additional 2nd rounders seems plausible.

If we do get a late first rounder via trade I think it makes a lot more sense to go after a QB. Like I said, we shouldn't be able to take Bradford at 7-9 and a Clausen or McCoy pick would be a reach (also, I'm strongly against having two QBs named Colt).

I'd encourage you all to watch Tony Pike tonight vs. USF. There's a chance he could make it to our 2nd round pick, but if we are able to trade for late 1st rounders then he should definitely be our QB target. O-line and D-line should remain our early first round priority this year.

Of course, if Vinny is making the moves then we'll be trading our picks for old worn out players or picking overhyped busts, and this discussion is moot.


Who are we trading for 1st round picks? Not sure we have many guys that would bring back a first rounder.
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SkinsJock wrote:from what you are saying I think we both feel that this team needs a big upgrade with offensive line - no worries - fact is many here have been hoping for better depth along both lines for some time but because you know who do not know what they are doing, we are now experiencing what it is like to have a team with a few true NFL stars and zero depth :roll:

a few here (including myself) were concerned with this offense this season - we understood that we did not have many choices and I think we did the right thing in grabbing Orakpo - we have, for a few years now, had issues with both lines, and, with the addition of 2 new young linemen on defense we have helped our defensive line and hopefully we will continue to add to that for depth

the issues with the offense (from last year) were not just the offensive line but also the QB, the receivers, a "change of pace" RB and the play calling - each of these areas have so far proven to be a disaster - we were encouraged by some here to give it some time and we would be able to find out what were the most pressing areas of concern and address that (or those) in the near future - well, we have seen that none of these areas of concern have been even close to NFL level of acceptable play.

we do need to get some offensive linemen in here but we'' also need a decent QB and the quickest way to get any success is to bring in a FA and hopefully find the next superstar young QB and get him ready while we build this team



Now for the bad news :lol: all of this requires a management group that knows what it is doing, which we do not have and will not have in the near future - SO - why not get a superstar QB and just throw him out there and hope it works out - that is what we have done with the other positions here for the last 10 years - I'll bet we get all excited here next off-season because that's how the marketing genius that owns this team will make the gullible fans here feel ... again :lol:


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man I hope we win this game this week or it could get really ugly here very quickly - we will not get to the 8 wins we were hoping for but we sure do not need to throw this season away just yet


A QB with an 88.5 QB rating given the Offensive line and running game he's given is pretty good. Far from a disaster.

Drafting a QB and providing him with a poor line and running game is a recipe for disaster unless you sit him for the first year.
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SkinsJock wrote:from what you are saying I think we both feel that this team needs a big upgrade with offensive line - no worries - fact is many here have been hoping for better depth along both lines for some time but because you know who do not know what they are doing, we are now experiencing what it is like to have a team with a few true NFL stars and zero depth :roll:

a few here (including myself) were concerned with this offense this season - we understood that we did not have many choices and I think we did the right thing in grabbing Orakpo - we have, for a few years now, had issues with both lines, and, with the addition of 2 new young linemen on defense we have helped our defensive line and hopefully we will continue to add to that for depth

the issues with the offense (from last year) were not just the offensive line but also the QB, the receivers, a "change of pace" RB and the play calling - each of these areas have so far proven to be a disaster - we were encouraged by some here to give it some time and we would be able to find out what were the most pressing areas of concern and address that (or those) in the near future - well, we have seen that none of these areas of concern have been even close to NFL level of acceptable play.

we do need to get some offensive linemen in here but we'' also need a decent QB and the quickest way to get any success is to bring in a FA and hopefully find the next superstar young QB and get him ready while we build this team

Now for the bad news :lol: all of this requires a management group that knows what it is doing, which we do not have and will not have in the near future - SO - why not get a superstar QB and just throw him out there and hope it works out - that is what we have done with the other positions here for the last 10 years - I'll bet we get all excited here next off-season because that's how the marketing genius that owns this team will make the gullible fans here feel ... again :lol:

like the add says "WAKE UP PEOPLE"

man I hope we win this game this week or it could get really ugly here very quickly - we will not get to the 8 wins we were hoping for but we sure do not need to throw this season away just yet


Again, I agree. For me, however, I do believe that a franchise QB is the most important piece to pick up in the draft. If you look back a couple years ago, we had a very good OL. Where did that get us? The playoffs? Not really. We were 5-7 before Collins came in and got us to 4-0. He re-energized the offfense -- while getting sacked more frequently (based on average sack per game) than JC did in his 13 games. The fact of the matter is that while an OL is needed, a solid QB will provide this team with the most overall improvement. Good QBs can make OLs look good. JC doesn't have the pocket mobility or abilty to make quick decisions necessary. He will need one of the best OLs in the NFL to be successful --- which, even that, is debatable. A QB doesn't need to make 7 step drops to be successful.

If we need to overhaul this offense, which after 2 years of offensive failure, I can say isn't a stretch, what player would you start with the rebuilding process? Most franchises, which has been proven to be successful, have first picked up a QB and built an offense around them. We have tried a pro-style and WCO with JC, both have been failures --- whats next, the wildcat??

I understand we need a number of things: 1 QB, 2 OTs, 1 OG, 1 supplemental RB, and 1 WR. It is obvious that we cannot rebuild this type of offense in one year. We will NEED a veteran OT to supplement a rookie. We can get a quality RB late in the draft. And while most on here know that I am not high on either sophomore WR, I would like to see what they are capable of with another QB on the field. I truly believe that JC doesn't have the ability to go through the progressions necessary to hit open receivers.

And I did like Frankcal's horse and cart reference, but I tend to believe that the horse of the offense is the QB. The cart can only go as fast, manuever, and in the direction that the horse leads it. If a defense doesn't respect the QB, then expect constant pressure -- it doesn't matter how good the line is. If the QB is slow, the defense will continue to bring in one more guy than the line has to block. The QB controls the tempo of the offense. They are the horse.
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mweb08 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:from what you are saying I think we both feel that this team needs a big upgrade with offensive line - no worries - fact is many here have been hoping for better depth along both lines for some time but because you know who do not know what they are doing, we are now experiencing what it is like to have a team with a few true NFL stars and zero depth :roll:

a few here (including myself) were concerned with this offense this season - we understood that we did not have many choices and I think we did the right thing in grabbing Orakpo - we have, for a few years now, had issues with both lines, and, with the addition of 2 new young linemen on defense we have helped our defensive line and hopefully we will continue to add to that for depth

the issues with the offense (from last year) were not just the offensive line but also the QB, the receivers, a "change of pace" RB and the play calling - each of these areas have so far proven to be a disaster - we were encouraged by some here to give it some time and we would be able to find out what were the most pressing areas of concern and address that (or those) in the near future - well, we have seen that none of these areas of concern have been even close to NFL level of acceptable play.

we do need to get some offensive linemen in here but we'' also need a decent QB and the quickest way to get any success is to bring in a FA and hopefully find the next superstar young QB and get him ready while we build this team



Now for the bad news :lol: all of this requires a management group that knows what it is doing, which we do not have and will not have in the near future - SO - why not get a superstar QB and just throw him out there and hope it works out - that is what we have done with the other positions here for the last 10 years - I'll bet we get all excited here next off-season because that's how the marketing genius that owns this team will make the gullible fans here feel ... again :lol:


like the add says "WAKE UP PEOPLE"





man I hope we win this game this week or it could get really ugly here very quickly - we will not get to the 8 wins we were hoping for but we sure do not need to throw this season away just yet


A QB with an 88.5 QB rating given the Offensive line and running game he's given is pretty good. Far from a disaster.


That 88.5 QB rating is the biggest lie in all of stats. Up until last game, JC has had adequate pass blocking support. The stat we should be concerned with isn't the QB rating. It should be the amount of points put up.

There are a couple stats that stick out to me with JC
1. In 41 games, JC has only won a game by more than 2 scores once in his career
2. In 41 games, JC has only scored more than 30 points in 2 games.
3. In 41 games (and 1277 attempts), JC has only thrown 12 passes for over 40 yards. Meanwhile he has fumbled the ball 29 times.

All of these are NFL RECORDS.
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Actually - he's only fumbled 26 times and lost the ball 11 times. The line has not be adequate in his career. Matter of fact, this line has been on the downside of their career and they have been injured most of the time with the exception of Raybach. One other thing, regardless of your stats, the offense has been changed 3 times in 4 years. More than anything, that's a lot to ask for any player.
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mweb08 wrote:Who are we trading for 1st round picks? Not sure we have many guys that would bring back a first rounder.


Free agency will be limited this offseason with an extra 2 years of service time required to be an unrestricted FA... under those circumstances it could make as much sense to trade a first rounder as it would to give one up for a RFA.

London Fletcher, D'Angelo Hall, Albert Haynesworth or Santana Moss all could draw a late first rounder... I'm reluctant to say Haynesworth and Hall because they're young enough to be a part of a winning team eventually. (I also don't know if anyone else still thinks Hall is worth it, but maybe, just maybe).

Definitely Fletcher. I love him, and he's probably the best player on our D, but he's too old to be a key part of this team in 2 or 3 years when we could be good.

Rogers, Samuels, Thomas, Griffin and Carter might be able to get us 2nds and 3rds.

Campbell, Randle-el, Smoot, Portis and Rabach can get us 4ths and 5ths.

Maybe I'm overrating what we could get... maybe just 1 first (Fletcher), 1 second (Moss) and 4 thirds (Rogers, Samuels, Griffin, Carter). Still, that's not a bad start.
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Well since the team now has 0 viable OT's, they must draft one first round and sign one as a free agent. I want someone here to give me a qb that puts up dominant stats while running for their lives the whole game. Any rookie that came into this mess would get killed.
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Here’s why we have to go OL...
It looks as if there is not going to be a CBA done before next year. So the pool of starting OL will not be there in Free Agency because…
You will have to have been in the league for 6 years to become a FA
Teams will get two franchise tags
Also there will be a “final 8” rule that will limit (free agency) for each team left in the playoffs so they will be looking to resign their players.
All this means a reduced pool of availible starting talent and if I’m a GM I’m keeping my OL you can plug in skill players.
So with no cap I’d keep my high picks and take OL and look to steal some skill players in free agency.
Bottom line…it could be a while before we see a good line around here if no CBA is reached.
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brad7686 wrote:Well since the team now has 0 viable OT's, they must draft one first round and sign one as a free agent. I want someone here to give me a qb that puts up dominant stats while running for their lives the whole game. Any rookie that came into this mess would get killed.


Where do you suggest that we get a qb then? We all know that there is no way that JC is the starting qb next season.
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brad7686 wrote:Well since the team now has 0 viable OT's, they must draft one first round and sign one as a free agent. I want someone here to give me a qb that puts up dominant stats while running for their lives the whole game. Any rookie that came into this mess would get killed.


I do agree that we need to get 2 OTs in the offseason. But, if there is a franchise QB available in round 1, we have to go that direction. We can draft an OT in the second round.

In terms of QBs that have put up "dominant" numbers, that is a little crazy. But QBs that have either put up dominant numbers OR their teams have had good seasons, in 2008 there were:
1. Matt Cassell -- sacked 47 times last year.
2. Ben Rothlesberger -- won the SB and sacked 46 times
3. Aaron Rodgers --- GB has a notoriously weak line and he finished the season with a 94 QB rating.

And while you didn't explicitly say anything to recieve this response, I don't want to make a new post.....

But then again, GOOD QBs find ways to assist the OL on the rush, whether it is by moving around in the pocket, quick release, quick progressions, quick decisions, etc. Last year in Atlanta, people thought the OL was one of the worst in the NFL, then comes Ryan and now it is considered great. And they did add one guy, but he wasn't a sought after OL to say the least. People have to face the facts that QBs do assist the line and JC does NOTHING to help his line out. He makes the OL look worse than they are.

A rookie that came into the "mess" may get killed. But if we are actualy able to get a good second round OT and a decent OT in free agency, then with Rabach, Dockery, Rhinehart (after a year of improvement, hopefully), Thomas (if he doesn't retire) and some depth in the later rounds, it shouldn't be as bad as some imagine.
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frankcal20 wrote:Actually - he's only fumbled 26 times and lost the ball 11 times. The line has not be adequate in his career. Matter of fact, this line has been on the downside of their career and they have been injured most of the time with the exception of Raybach. One other thing, regardless of your stats, the offense has been changed 3 times in 4 years. More than anything, that's a lot to ask for any player.


I heard bla, bla, bal, bla! Until the incorrect information in bold. JC has started NFL game in four different seasons and had to change offenses once. He Started under the Al Saunders/Joe Gibbs offense for his first two years and then made his one change as a starter to Zorn's system.

Yes, he had just Joe Gibbs offense his first year, but he didn't play a single snap! Enough of the woe is me JC has to learn all of these offenses.

His OL stinks this year, but it was pretty darn good for the first half of 08 and not nearly as bad down the stretch as people make it out to have been. And everyone acts like JC has had no time to pass this year and that is simply not true. For the most part he has been protected fairly well. It isn't like he is getting sacked as frequently as A. Rogers or Shaun Hill, no he is getting sacked as often as Big Ben. But the decent protection he has had is about to vanish now that Samuels will be out for a while. Maybe then when people complain about how bad his protection has been they will actually be right!

His running game hasn't been very good and that really impacts him. He is the type of QB that HAS TO have a good run game. He needs to be able to play action pass and have that buy him some time because he takes longer than any other QB in the game to figure out where he is going to go with the ball.
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mweb08 wrote:The Skins line was awful the second half of last year! There is absolutely no way they were better than either of the SB participants in the second half of last year.


Maybe not P-Burges, but close. And deffinately way better than the Cards OL. The only reason Warner wasn't sacked more than JC was because he gets rid of the ball too darn quick. He was hit as often as JC and the Card had the fewest rushing yards last year and only Indys yards per carry were worse. The Cards OL was horrendous, but a good QB still made it work.
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I think most teams will see the uncapped year as one that will allow them to dump over-priced contracts without repercussion than go out and splurge on new players.
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brad7686 wrote:Well since the team now has 0 viable OT's, they must draft one first round and sign one as a free agent. I want someone here to give me a qb that puts up dominant stats while running for their lives the whole game. Any rookie that came into this mess would get killed.


I do agree that we need to get 2 OTs in the offseason. But, if there is a franchise QB available in round 1, we have to go that direction. We can draft an OT in the second round.

In terms of QBs that have put up "dominant" numbers, that is a little crazy. But QBs that have either put up dominant numbers OR their teams have had good seasons, in 2008 there were:
1. Matt Cassell -- sacked 47 times last year.
2. Ben Rothlesberger -- won the SB and sacked 46 times
3. Aaron Rodgers --- GB has a notoriously weak line and he finished the season with a 94 QB rating.

And while you didn't explicitly say anything to recieve this response, I don't want to make a new post.....

But then again, GOOD QBs find ways to assist the OL on the rush, whether it is by moving around in the pocket, quick release, quick progressions, quick decisions, etc. Last year in Atlanta, people thought the OL was one of the worst in the NFL, then comes Ryan and now it is considered great. And they did add one guy, but he wasn't a sought after OL to say the least. People have to face the facts that QBs do assist the line and JC does NOTHING to help his line out. He makes the OL look worse than they are.

A rookie that came into the "mess" may get killed. But if we are actualy able to get a good second round OT and a decent OT in free agency, then with Rabach, Dockery, Rhinehart (after a year of improvement, hopefully), Thomas (if he doesn't retire) and some depth in the later rounds, it shouldn't be as bad as some imagine.


Roethlisberger puts up average numbers.

Cassel had Moss and Welker. Also, he's no brady in the pocket. He actually has a good o-line and chooses to get sacked. But now he is with the chiefs so we'll see.

I will give you Rogers. He is pretty darn impressive.
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brad7686 wrote:Well since the team now has 0 viable OT's, they must draft one first round and sign one as a free agent. I want someone here to give me a qb that puts up dominant stats while running for their lives the whole game. Any rookie that came into this mess would get killed.


Where do you suggest that we get a qb then? We all know that there is no way that JC is the starting qb next season.


I don't know. Garcia? Brennan? You can make any bum look good with bookend tackles. Look at Kyle Orton. Is McRib available?

In all seriousness, I think there will be some good qbs available in round 2. And as I'm not that high on some of the ones people like first ( I think their teams make them look better than they are) I would not be surprised to see a qb i like in round 2. Or maybe trade into the first. Either way, no one will survive with Stephon Heyer as their left tackle.
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I agree. I like Jake Locker out of Washington. Check that dude out on youtube. He's built like a house, accuracy is a concern but he can run and has a hell of a lot of natural ability.
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Drafting capable guards are just as important as the tackles.

Tony Boselli has commented on this before. The qb needs to be able to step up in the pocket without it collapsing. That is where good guards and a center come in to play. So In my opinion if we cant grab elite talent at the tackle spots. Then we should take hard looks at good guards to take in the second and on rounds. You can grab the best guards in the second round and even in the third and fourth. Would really help in run support and having a pocket for our QB.

I would love to draft a guard like Steve Hutchinson or Faneca. I remember Tre Johnson was a darn good one we use to have.

Once again it all comes down to our GM who is doing the drafting. So we will just have to see.
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markshark84 wrote:
mweb08 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:from what you are saying I think we both feel that this team needs a big upgrade with offensive line - no worries - fact is many here have been hoping for better depth along both lines for some time but because you know who do not know what they are doing, we are now experiencing what it is like to have a team with a few true NFL stars and zero depth :roll:

a few here (including myself) were concerned with this offense this season - we understood that we did not have many choices and I think we did the right thing in grabbing Orakpo - we have, for a few years now, had issues with both lines, and, with the addition of 2 new young linemen on defense we have helped our defensive line and hopefully we will continue to add to that for depth

the issues with the offense (from last year) were not just the offensive line but also the QB, the receivers, a "change of pace" RB and the play calling - each of these areas have so far proven to be a disaster - we were encouraged by some here to give it some time and we would be able to find out what were the most pressing areas of concern and address that (or those) in the near future - well, we have seen that none of these areas of concern have been even close to NFL level of acceptable play.

we do need to get some offensive linemen in here but we'' also need a decent QB and the quickest way to get any success is to bring in a FA and hopefully find the next superstar young QB and get him ready while we build this team



Now for the bad news :lol: all of this requires a management group that knows what it is doing, which we do not have and will not have in the near future - SO - why not get a superstar QB and just throw him out there and hope it works out - that is what we have done with the other positions here for the last 10 years - I'll bet we get all excited here next off-season because that's how the marketing genius that owns this team will make the gullible fans here feel ... again :lol:


like the add says "WAKE UP PEOPLE"





man I hope we win this game this week or it could get really ugly here very quickly - we will not get to the 8 wins we were hoping for but we sure do not need to throw this season away just yet


A QB with an 88.5 QB rating given the Offensive line and running game he's given is pretty good. Far from a disaster.


That 88.5 QB rating is the biggest lie in all of stats. Up until last game, JC has had adequate pass blocking support. The stat we should be concerned with isn't the QB rating. It should be the amount of points put up.

There are a couple stats that stick out to me with JC
1. In 41 games, JC has only won a game by more than 2 scores once in his career
2. In 41 games, JC has only scored more than 30 points in 2 games.
3. In 41 games (and 1277 attempts), JC has only thrown 12 passes for over 40 yards. Meanwhile he has fumbled the ball 29 times.

All of these are NFL RECORDS.


Concerning points, yeah, it's an issue, but's it in large part due to awful playcalling in the red zone and a mediocre at best offense surrounding JC.

Look, I know it's easy to just blame things on the QB, but it's just not that simple and it's really not hard to see the other issues and how large they are. I'm not saying JC is great by any means, but he is decent and is far from being the biggest problem on the team.
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FireVinny wrote:
mweb08 wrote:Who are we trading for 1st round picks? Not sure we have many guys that would bring back a first rounder.


Free agency will be limited this offseason with an extra 2 years of service time required to be an unrestricted FA... under those circumstances it could make as much sense to trade a first rounder as it would to give one up for a RFA.

London Fletcher, D'Angelo Hall, Albert Haynesworth or Santana Moss all could draw a late first rounder... I'm reluctant to say Haynesworth and Hall because they're young enough to be a part of a winning team eventually. (I also don't know if anyone else still thinks Hall is worth it, but maybe, just maybe).

Definitely Fletcher. I love him, and he's probably the best player on our D, but he's too old to be a key part of this team in 2 or 3 years when we could be good.

Rogers, Samuels, Thomas, Griffin and Carter might be able to get us 2nds and 3rds.

Campbell, Randle-el, Smoot, Portis and Rabach can get us 4ths and 5ths.

Maybe I'm overrating what we could get... maybe just 1 first (Fletcher), 1 second (Moss) and 4 thirds (Rogers, Samuels, Griffin, Carter). Still, that's not a bad start.


Well I'd trade almost all those guys if that's what we could get back for them. I think Fletcher is too old to bring back a 1st, Moss is getting older and is injury prone, and I doubt anyone wants to take Halls contract and give up a high pick. Maybe Haynesworth, but again, the money is an issue, no one was willing to give him what we gave him, and it's not like much has changed since then.

Not getting anything for Samuels or Thomas with their injuries.

Doubt Griffin has much of any value.

JC will be a free agent.

Don't think anyone would take Portis' contract, possibly the same with Randel-El.

I'm all for trading to get picks, but don't think we have what it would take to get a lot of high picks back.
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RedskinsFreak wrote:I think most teams will see the uncapped year as one that will allow them to dump over-priced contracts without repercussion than go out and splurge on new players.


Agreed..That's why I said I think we could steal some skill position players Smart GM (which we don't have) are going to keep and resign there stud OL (again which we don't have)
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frankcal20 wrote:I agree. I like Jake Locker out of Washington. Check that dude out on youtube. He's built like a house, accuracy is a concern but he can run and has a hell of a lot of natural ability.


Locker right now is a top 15 pick. There is even talk of him being the first overall pick if he comes out. ZERO chance that he is around in the 2nd round.
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I don't know where he's at. It's a bit early to look at that stuff in my book. Injuries, etc and then there is the whole combine thing.
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