why todd collins will start

[Californiaskin]

it's inevitable......our o line gets worse each week d'anthony batiste and stefan heyer are terrible.........soups gonna get hurt and tc will get his chance........hopefully he pulls a 2007

[frankcal20]

It was mentioned here before on some post that the one time TC faced pressure was in Seattle in the playoffs.....

....look how that turned out.

[skinsfan#33]

It was mentioned here before on some post that the one time TC faced pressure was in Seattle in the playoffs.....

....look how that turned out.

Simply not true. He had faced presure and had done well with it. He didn't fall apart until in Seatle until after a pick on a deep pass the Moss quit on , broke the game open. He threw another pick in desperation. He didn't lose that game.

Everyone acts like he was horrible and it simply is not true.

I have no idea if he is better than Soup, but he can't be worse!

[VetSkinsFan]

It was mentioned here before on some post that the one time TC faced pressure was in Seattle in the playoffs.....

....look how that turned out.

Simply not true. He had faced presure and had done well with it. He didn't fall apart until in Seatle until after a pick on a deep pass the Moss quit on , broke the game open. He threw another pick in desperation. He didn't lose that game.

Everyone acts like he was horrible and it simply is not true.

I have no idea if he is better than Soup, but he can't be worse!

There can always be worse.

and he didn't even play half a season. in ten years. nice small sample size


/e KICKS THAT DEAD HORSE.!!!

[cleg]

Please - he is a 38 year old career backup for a reason.

[frankcal20]

I think some of them are hoping that he's like Bret Favre

[VetSkinsFan]

I think some of them are hoping that he's like Bret Favre

He's never BEEN like Favre, what on Earth would make them think that?

[NJ-SKINS-FAN]

GOD NO.....

he wont take this team to the playoffs... no how no way...

with this OLINE no qb will get it done

[skinsfan#33]

I think some of them are hoping that he's like Bret Favre

No, I just hope he can be Kyle Orton or Chad Henne or Shaun Hill or David Garrard or any number of run of the mill QBs that would be an improvement over Campbell.

[VetSkinsFan]

I think some of them are hoping that he's like Bret Favre

No, I just hope he can be Kyle Orton or Chad Henne or Shaun Hill or David Garrard or any number of run of the mill QBs that would be an improvement over Campbell.

Aren't most of all those guys ~10 years YOUNGER than Collins where they can still offer an upside? There's no way you gamble with a 38yo QB who's never established himself in the NFL.

[SnyderSucks]

it's inevitable......our o line gets worse each week d'anthony batiste and stefan heyer are terrible.........soups gonna get hurt and tc will get his chance........hopefully he pulls a 2007

If Collins gets in a game, you better get ready to see the third string QB play. It would be a sack fest, and he might not last one game. 10 sacks in a game would be realistic.

[markshark84]

it's inevitable......our o line gets worse each week d'anthony batiste and stefan heyer are terrible.........soups gonna get hurt and tc will get his chance........hopefully he pulls a 2007

If Collins gets in a game, you better get ready to see the third string QB play. It would be a sack fest, and he might not last one game. 10 sacks in a game would be realistic.

I don't know what planet you are from, but JC has one of the slowest dropbacks AND slowest releases in the NFL. Bar none. In terms of getting the ball out, Collins is infinetely quicker than JC. He sees the field better and is able to get the ball out faster.

The OL isn't good, but Collins would aleviate some issues BECAUSE he doesn't sit in the pocket, pump fake, slowly go through his progressions, think about things again, look around, not move in the pocket, and then dump the ball off to an RB.

[SnyderSucks]

it's inevitable......our o line gets worse each week d'anthony batiste and stefan heyer are terrible.........soups gonna get hurt and tc will get his chance........hopefully he pulls a 2007

If Collins gets in a game, you better get ready to see the third string QB play. It would be a sack fest, and he might not last one game. 10 sacks in a game would be realistic.

I don't know what planet you are from, but JC has one of the slowest dropbacks AND slowest releases in the NFL. Bar none. In terms of getting the ball out, Collins is infinetely quicker than JC. He sees the field better and is able to get the ball out faster.

The OL isn't good, but Collins would aleviate some issues BECAUSE he doesn't sit in the pocket, pump fake, slowly go through his progressions, think about things again, look around, not move in the pocket, and then dump the ball off to an RB.

Collins may be a quicker decision maker, but he is much slower afoot than Campbell. Collins will be getting sacked before he finishes his dropback, so no chance for a quick decision. Those first downs Campbell gets by scrambling? Sack. Collins may as well be playing with cement blocks on his feet. This isn't 2007. Both Collins and the line are two years older and worse than they were then.

[markshark84]

it's inevitable......our o line gets worse each week d'anthony batiste and stefan heyer are terrible.........soups gonna get hurt and tc will get his chance........hopefully he pulls a 2007

If Collins gets in a game, you better get ready to see the third string QB play. It would be a sack fest, and he might not last one game. 10 sacks in a game would be realistic.

I don't know what planet you are from, but JC has one of the slowest dropbacks AND slowest releases in the NFL. Bar none. In terms of getting the ball out, Collins is infinetely quicker than JC. He sees the field better and is able to get the ball out faster.

The OL isn't good, but Collins would aleviate some issues BECAUSE he doesn't sit in the pocket, pump fake, slowly go through his progressions, think about things again, look around, not move in the pocket, and then dump the ball off to an RB.

Collins may be a quicker decision maker, but he is much slower afoot than Campbell. Collins will be getting sacked before he finishes his dropback, so no chance for a quick decision. Those first downs Campbell gets by scrambling? Sack. Collins may as well be playing with cement blocks on his feet. This isn't 2007. Both Collins and the line are two years older and worse than they were then.

Incorrect. JC's dropback is one of the slowest in the NFL. The difference between Collins' and JCs' is marginal at best. I would say that Collins has a quicker drop back based on Collins' play in the preseason. JC, when taking his painfully slow drop back and his even more painfully slow decision making and pump-faking, is one of (if not the) slowest QBs in the league.

Also, the fact that JC runs for first downs doesn't mean that if he had stayed back in the pocket he wouldn't have hit an open receiver --- or that he would have been sacked had he not ran the ball. Many times, JC has decided to run the ball where he could have stayed back and looked for an open receiver. Was it a good idea to run --- sometimes it was; BUT other times saying back and waiting for a play to develop could have gained more net yards than having run.

But don't get me wrong, I do understand that the OL is having issues. Batiste is horrendous. Heyer is straight up bad. We are going to have issues all season, but I think these issues will only be exacerbated by JC slow progressions. We are in for a long year, my friends.

[crazyhorse1]

It was mentioned here before on some post that the one time TC faced pressure was in Seattle in the playoffs.....

....look how that turned out.

Collins threw for about 300 yards in that game. He played extremely well against an overwhelming rush and should have gotten the game ball, expect the OL caved miserably. It was not on Collins and the post above is misinformed.

[Redskin in Canada]

Looking at Collins as the solution to our foes ... Oh no!

The Team can only play this card ONCE for better or worse in absolute desperate times when JC is not expected to come back due to failure or injury. After that, it becomes a comedy of errors. Are we there yet?

[spudstr04]

I saw on rotoworld.com that Chase Daniel was cut from the Saints active roster, does anyone see us getting him back?

[skinsfan#33]

I think some of them are hoping that he's like Bret Favre

No, I just hope he can be Kyle Orton or Chad Henne or Shaun Hill or David Garrard or any number of run of the mill QBs that would be an improvement over Campbell.

Aren't most of all those guys ~10 years YOUNGER than Collins where they can still offer an upside? There's no way you gamble with a 38yo QB who's never established himself in the NFL.

Vet,
I understand he isn't the future anymore than Soup is! They both will be gone before next season. What I want to have is a QB that will make a team think twick about blitzing us; a QB that will find an open guy and get the ball to him; a QB that can do a pre-snap read of the deffense. We don't have that with Soup, we might with TC. I'm not against putting in whomever is on our practice squad as a QB either.

I don't know what TC or any other guy can do, but I do know JC isn't going to suddenly become a good QB and we can expect 2-3 more (maybe less) wins this year with JC at the helm.

I would rather lose the rest of the games trying to win them, then sticking with JC knowing we are done for the season.

[SnyderSucks]

it's inevitable......our o line gets worse each week d'anthony batiste and stefan heyer are terrible.........soups gonna get hurt and tc will get his chance........hopefully he pulls a 2007

If Collins gets in a game, you better get ready to see the third string QB play. It would be a sack fest, and he might not last one game. 10 sacks in a game would be realistic.

I don't know what planet you are from, but JC has one of the slowest dropbacks AND slowest releases in the NFL. Bar none. In terms of getting the ball out, Collins is infinetely quicker than JC. He sees the field better and is able to get the ball out faster.

The OL isn't good, but Collins would aleviate some issues BECAUSE he doesn't sit in the pocket, pump fake, slowly go through his progressions, think about things again, look around, not move in the pocket, and then dump the ball off to an RB.

Collins may be a quicker decision maker, but he is much slower afoot than Campbell. Collins will be getting sacked before he finishes his dropback, so no chance for a quick decision. Those first downs Campbell gets by scrambling? Sack. Collins may as well be playing with cement blocks on his feet. This isn't 2007. Both Collins and the line are two years older and worse than they were then.

Incorrect. JC's dropback is one of the slowest in the NFL. The difference between Collins' and JCs' is marginal at best. I would say that Collins has a quicker drop back based on Collins' play in the preseason. JC, when taking his painfully slow drop back and his even more painfully slow decision making and pump-faking, is one of (if not the) slowest QBs in the league.

Also, the fact that JC runs for first downs doesn't mean that if he had stayed back in the pocket he wouldn't have hit an open receiver --- or that he would have been sacked had he not ran the ball. Many times, JC has decided to run the ball where he could have stayed back and looked for an open receiver. Was it a good idea to run --- sometimes it was; BUT other times saying back and waiting for a play to develop could have gained more net yards than having run.

But don't get me wrong, I do understand that the OL is having issues. Batiste is horrendous. Heyer is straight up bad. We are going to have issues all season, but I think these issues will only be exacerbated by JC slow progressions. We are in for a long year, my friends.

I agree that we are in for a long year. Pretending that Collins is somehow going to fix things is pure fantasy. First, every team in the league had a shot at Collins after 2007 and none of them offered him a job, zero. Second, even if he is somehow better than Campbell, the O-Line is so bad at this point that you could put Tom Brady in there and not win games.

We could trade for Brady, Larry Fitzgerald, and Adrian Petersen, and the offense would still be bad. Do you think the safety would have come out any differently with any other RB in there? Remember the ball was snapped on the 3 and they met Portis two yards deep in the end zone. Remember the Patriots last Super Bowl? Brady threw for 50 TD's that year, but they couldn't keep the defense off of him and they lost. With an Oline this bad, the offense can't operate.

[skinsfan#33]

The Team can only play this card ONCE for better or worse in absolute desperate times when JC is not expected to come back due to failure or injury. After that, it becomes a comedy of errors. Are we there yet?

Aren't we there now? People have us already shopping for a new head coach and going 4-12 (at best now). You already tried to replace JC twice in the offseason, who says you couldn't put him back in if TC is a disaster. Heck, Andy Reid benched McNabb last year and then started him the next week. Soup isn't half the QB that McNabb is.

Gibbs benched Rypien for several games in 1989 or 90. Why can't you bench a QB and then put him back in? Why is he so special?

Starting TC is not a desperation move. Continuing to start JC is!

[langleyparkjoe]

Not quite sure why we're saying put TC in over JC.. with that O-Line, I think ANY QB will get demolished. Chris is out now too??? Oh heeeeeck no.. leave JC in, if he gets creamed which seems inevitable, than TC will get in and get creamed.. sheesh, by that point do we have an active 3rd stringer since Colt is on IR?