Why I believe the skins have already passed the Eagles.

[General Failure]

Let me know when they can shut down TO, too ... and LJ, and Catch&Roll, and Ritchie, and Westbrook, and Freddie. The Eagles offense is all about multiple weapons. With Pinkston as the weak link, it's not really that bad of a weak link to have. At least he's not the first option this season.

Hey General Failure.....I thought we were just talking about Pinkston, who sucks. Who is Catch&Roll???? Maybe I just know him by another name. You guys still don't have a running back. A running back is the most valuable weapon you can have. Yes, you have TO and he's gonna do some damage. You also have a good quarterback. You also have a real good head coach and a real good defensive coach. But you don't have a running game. Until you get one you won't go all the way to the Superbowl.

I just hope you guys don't do all that well this year, because losing three NFC Championships in a row and two in a row in your own house is pretty humiliating. If it happens a third straight time in your own house...I'll actually admit that I will feel sorry for you guys. Its not often when you'll here me say something like that.

Catch&Roll, that's Chad Lewis. It's not a common nickname, but I'm working on that. I call him that because every time he catches the ball he immediately hits the deck. We were talking about Pinkston, who is the weak link on the offense. I was pointing out that it doesn't do much good for the weak link to be shut down.

As for RB, between Westbrook's game breaking ability as a receiving back or a scatback, Buckhalter's adequate combination of power and speed, and Thomas Tapeh's (at this point assumed) power running and blocking ability. Just because there isn't a single back to focus on doesn't mean the yards won't happen. Between the three backs last season they managed 1600+ yards rushing (4.7 ypc) and nearly 850 receiving on 83 receptions. Those rushing stats aren't bad at all considering I can count on my fingers the number of running plays called in the first two games of the season.

[box8276]

Philly kinda reminds me of the old Buffalo Bills....4 Super Bowl appearances..0 wins....Philly...3 NFC chmp game appearances....0 wins. So im gonna go out on a limb here and say Philly 4 straight NFC chmp games....0 wins.Redskins go in Philly and deliver the knockout blow and eventually win the Championship. You see Philly fans no matter how many times u try u will never win the big game cause u got no heart like my man JOE!! u got a better chance of andy reid winnin a hotdog eatin contest

[SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0]

Riiiiight. LJ drops one pass, suddenly he sucks. Sure thing. Freddie was a clutch receiver all year, but he has only one catch to his credit, and it was pure luck that he caught it. Arrington is going to cover Westbrook, but now you have no spy on McNabb. Don't you know all he does is run anyway? Sheesh!

We must have been watching two different receivers brcause I saw him dropping passes and rolling as soon as he dropped it to make it look like a catch. He is no where close to being a clutch receiver.


One pass dropped. How about the pass he dropped that ended up hitting his foot and being a touchdown.

Who is gonna spy on McNabb. How about Marcus Washington.He is almost as fast as Arrington.

[tcwest10]

Im a huge Redskins fan i root against the Eagles every time the 2 meet, but the fact is the Eagles have been the better team for years. Until proven differently the Eagles are still the best team in the East.I get mad when people bash the Eagles because i also love them, and the city of Philadelphia, so when the fans get bashed I get really offended because Philadelphia has the best fans in the world because they are so passionate. They are misunderstood because they are so hungry for a championship, and everytime a teams gets close they lose in the worst possible way.

Okay. So I'm wrong, right ? In any case, it's hard for me to see how you can feel so deeply for two teams in the same division. It'd be like me respecting and loving the Giants because that's where I come from but being a die-hard Redskins fan all the same. Never the 'twain shall meet. It just doesn't work.
As a Redskin fan with a scar on his forehead from the only game he ever went to at the Vet (I was struck by a Philly fan who threw his Detroit Lions beer mug at me ), I can't conceive of any possible defense for the fans of a team whose owner decided it was okay to put a courtroom together in the bowels of the stadium to deal with the rowdies. The docket, I understand, was always full.
These may be only my true colors shining through, my man, but from personal experience, the fans in Philly are absolutely the worst in the league, bar none.
As far as who is the best team in the east, I have no argument. This is the same argument I can't make against Dallas, by the way. We've lost too many games against these teams for me to be doing anything but pissin' in the wind. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Irn-Bru]

Im a huge Redskins fan i root against the Eagles every time the 2 meet, but the fact is the Eagles have been the better team for years. Until proven differently the Eagles are still the best team in the East.I get mad when people bash the Eagles because i also love them, and the city of Philadelphia, so when the fans get bashed I get really offended because Philadelphia has the best fans in the world because they are so passionate. They are misunderstood because they are so hungry for a championship, and everytime a teams gets close they lose in the worst possible way.

Man, you remind me of my friend that likes the Pac-10 when it comes to basketball. . .yes, the whole conference.

At any rate, what do you mean by "passionate" when you describe philthy phans? Does booing your team regularly when you're not happy with a performance, being violently rude, and acting like mini-New York automatically qualify you as "passionate?"

Okay, so your team has been better the past few years. And yes, we can't talk anything up. . .yet.

Something tells me that most of the people on this board, though we can't talk yet, won't spend too much time worrying whether or not Gibbs can do anything about philly's recent dominance--we can't talk about our team yet. But I'm a patient guy.

[iluvdaeagles]

The Eagles are still the best team in the east by far

[wonker]

Look, I like the Skins as much as anyone possibly can, but this is a silly post.

The Eagles have us at the following positions:
QB (This one isn't really that close)
TE (Nor is this one, Lewis may be old and fall down. But he can catch and block. The Smith kid is supposedly a real prospect. All we have is a 3rd round pick and a cast off.)
WR (Say TO is old, call him a cancer. He's still a stud and a level (sheer physical prescence) above Coles. The depth issue goes to Philthy too.)
DL (By a large margin)
DB (Hate to admit it, but Taylor is trying to be the player Dawkins is. The Lewis kid is a monster. Sheppard and Ware may be unproven, but the Eagles did it right by bringing them along slow.)
K
P
ST (General Coverage)

We have the definite edge at:
LB (even though I'm worried about Barrow's age. The Eagles players are all tiny)
RB (Portis is worlds above whoever the Eagles have left.)

It's a push, IMO for:
Coach (The Eagles Defensive Guy is good, Reid may be over-rated. Let's give Joe one year to show everyone he's better than the rest.)
OL (Guards go to the Eagles, Tackles are our matchup. They get depth, we get Center)
FB (Richie's on the way down. Do they have anyone else?)

[General Failure]

Ritchie's on the way down? You've got to explain that one to me, I don't see it. What I saw from him, which was very little what with the three RB rotation and all, didn't scream "done" to me.

[General Failure]

At any rate, what do you mean by "passionate" when you describe philthy phans? Does booing your team regularly when you're not happy with a performance, being violently rude, and acting like mini-New York automatically qualify you as "passionate?"

You're right. We should sit on our hands and just be happy our team is out there when they start sucking. And when Reid does something stupid like, oh let's say not run the ball for two weeks we'll hold back because he's really a nice guy. Hey, maybe I'll go bake Bobby Taylor some brownies. I ripped him a little when he said he took more games off than he should have with his injury last year because it was a contract year. While I'm at it I better take those pins out of the voodoo doll's eyes I made of him.

[VRIEL1]

Well you forgot to talk about "chemistry", who gets the edge here???? The Eagles do!!!! We got alot of players and a new coach, they just got new players. They have a trusted system, we don't (yet). Your points are good, but until this team has "chemistry", the "better" players we have don't matter. I hate to be the 1 to admit it, but until WE prove different the Eagles & Cowboys are ahead of us. I'm sick of putting this team in the Superbowl every year because of how they look on paper. Dallas looked like crap on paper, but they had "chemistry" to bring them to the playoffs.

You forget that chemistry is about people playing together. I belive thay did very well with that last year. What you mean to say is will they get all the schemes down and routes. Hopefully they will. The talent is better it just has to have good coaching (which we have now) and study time. The Eagles are past their prime. they are on the down curve. If they had a different Qb and better Receivers and TE they would make another run. Dallas and Skins will bump them this year.

[gambit187]

This thread wasust rediculous and nonsense. "AND THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT"

[VRIEL1]

I don't see how our defense could get much worse this year. With improvements in the front seven, and the loss of one outstanding corner and the addition of one outstanding safety (Who addmitedly has yet to play an NFL game) we can't get any worse. Still the biggest factor for the Redskins this year will be coaching....on both sides of the ball.
Well we could move about one slot lower on the rung but you said it well, we could not get much worse. We now have a D-coach that has led the league in top defenses. We can only get better. As much screaming as has been going on about the line you have to remember that there is more than one way to skin a cat and I'm sure Williams will find a way to get the job done with what he has. If your line sucks than you have to turn to linebackers and safeties and corners which by the way we have a number of.

I was almost as excited about Gregg Williams coming to DC as I was about Joe Gibbs. Williams will get teh most out of these guys.

Chad

[hailskins666]

we haven't passed the eagles cuz we ain't won jack yet. it's easy to do on paper, has been as long as snyder has owned the team. but we still haven't won crap, the eagles have. they are the team to beat...

[Irn-Bru]

At any rate, what do you mean by "passionate" when you describe philthy phans? Does booing your team regularly when you're not happy with a performance, being violently rude, and acting like mini-New York automatically qualify you as "passionate?"

You're right. We should sit on our hands and just be happy our team is out there when they start sucking. And when Reid does something stupid like, oh let's say not run the ball for two weeks we'll hold back because he's really a nice guy. Hey, maybe I'll go bake Bobby Taylor some brownies. I ripped him a little when he said he took more games off than he should have with his injury last year because it was a contract year. While I'm at it I better take those pins out of the voodoo doll's eyes I made of him.

And I'll grant that you're right, complaining can really be part of being a passionate fan--except when that's all you're known for! The vet, as a structure, characterized Eagles fans very well--courtroom and all. So if your definition of passionate is limited to hating your team when they do poorly, as you seem to have argued just now, then go for it--be as passionate as you want. My bad for misunderstanding what you meant by the term (I thought it was a compliment. . .)

[General Failure]

I'm going to assume you've never been to a game in Philly. I'll further assume that all you know of Philly fans is is the same rehashed stories about snowballs and Santa and 30 drunks booing McNabb at the draft.

When there's something worth cheering the Vet, and now the Linc it's as loud as any stadium in the league (with the exception of Arrowhead). When there isn't, like most years at the Vet, well it's still as loud as any other stadium.

[Irn-Bru]

I'm going to assume you've never been to a game in Philly. I'll further assume that all you know of Philly fans is is the same rehashed stories about snowballs and Santa and 30 drunks booing McNabb at the draft.

When there's something worth cheering the Vet, and now the Linc it's as loud as any stadium in the league (with the exception of Arrowhead). When there isn't, like most years at the Vet, well it's still as loud as any other stadium.

Well, I have been to a game at the Vet. . .unfortunately it wasn't pro football. And I do understand the plight of not having much to cheer about--I may be a Redskins fan but I'm only 20 years old, so anything Gibbs is really just slightly before my time.

[tcwest10]

Guess what ? Right now, the Washington Redskins, the New York Giants, the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles are all tied up for 1st place in the NFC East.
We're all 0-0. Not one single down of football has been played yet.
Let me ask you this. What if (fate forbid) McNabb goes down in preseason ? What if Brenda Warner throws the NYG into a quagmire with her big mouth ? What if Parcells suddenly retires again, leaving Sean Payton in charge, but he doesn't want the job ? (It's happened before !)
Nobody is better than anybody right now. There's those pesky sixteen games you have to go through before you call yourself a playoff team. Forget last year. Gibbs was racing cars, man. It's a brand new NFC East.

[1niksder]

At last....

Guess what ? Right now, the Washington Redskins, the New York Giants, the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles are all tied up for 1st place in the NFC East.
We're all 0-0. Not one single down of football has been played yet.

a post based on pure verifiable facts

[eaglegary]

Well you forgot to talk about "chemistry", who gets the edge here???? The Eagles do!!!! We got alot of players and a new coach, they just got new players. They have a trusted system, we don't (yet). Your points are good, but until this team has "chemistry", the "better" players we have don't matter. I hate to be the 1 to admit it, but until WE prove different the Eagles & Cowboys are ahead of us. I'm sick of putting this team in the Superbowl every year because of how they look on paper. Dallas looked like crap on paper, but they had "chemistry" to bring them to the playoffs.

You forget that chemistry is about people playing together. I belive thay did very well with that last year. What you mean to say is will they get all the schemes down and routes. Hopefully they will. The talent is better it just has to have good coaching (which we have now) and study time. The Eagles are past their prime. they are on the down curve. If they had a different Qb and better Receivers and TE they would make another run. Dallas and Skins will bump them this year.

mcnabb is 27 years old....hardly past his prime. they signed TO who is by all accounts one of the top 3 recievers in the league and lj is better than any TE on the skins. i don't understand how you can view the eagles as on the downslide. granted if they wouldn't have signed the freak, or TO this offseason your argument may hold some merit, but they did. i do think the skins will take over dallas' spot at 2nd place in the east this year, but barring significant injuries i can't imagine how they would pass up the eagles.

[surferskin]

mcnabb is 27 years old....hardly past his prime. they signed TO who is by all accounts one of the top 3 recievers in the league and lj is better than any TE on the skins. i don't understand how you can view the eagles as on the downslide. granted if they wouldn't have signed the freak, or TO this offseason your argument may hold some merit, but they did. i do think the skins will take over dallas' spot at 2nd place in the east this year, but barring significant injuries i can't imagine how they would pass up the eagles.

Well, one reason people might say that the eagles are on a downslide is the fact that your defense is not what it once was. The eagles could not stop the run last year and what have you guys done to address that?? Also, Jim Johnson's defense is based on blitzing and pressure...and you guys have been able to blitz because you used to have two great one on one corners (taylor & vincent)..do you really feel comfortable on defense when you can't stop the run and you're expecting lito shepard to cover the pass?? just curious...

[General Failure]

I'll say this again for those of you with ADD. The Eagles had trouble stopping the run once, and this is the important part, the D line was reduced to 6 healthy players by injuries. You try running a system with guys that were meant to rotate out all game long with only 6 able bodies for 4 positions.

Also, Lito and Sheldon started quite a few games last year while Taylor and Vincent were nursing injuries. I'd like to point out that Dawkins wasn't back there to help them for all of those games, but I doubt that it would help any. Some of you have made up your minds that the Eagles are going to blow.

[surferskin]

I'll say this again for those of you with ADD. The Eagles had trouble stopping the run once, and this is the important part, the D line was reduced to 6 healthy players by injuries. You try running a system with guys that were meant to rotate out all game long with only 6 able bodies for 4 positions.

Also, Lito and Sheldon started quite a few games last year while Taylor and Vincent were nursing injuries. I'd like to point out that Dawkins wasn't back there to help them for all of those games, but I doubt that it would help any. Some of you have made up your minds that the Eagles are going to blow.

i don't think ANYONE said the eagles are going to "blow"...many just feel that they aren't headed to 4th straight NFC championship game loss. if you want to be honest, i seriously doubt that could argue that you guys are a better team than you were in 2001 or 2002. but you'll still probably try anyways...

[General Failure]

To be honest, I don't think they'll have another NFCCG loss this year either.

[Redskins Rule]

I have to agree or at least hope with you General Failure. I would really feel sorry for you guys if you all get the the Championship Game again. Because losing one of them in your own house just has to suck. They bring the podium out on the field for the other team and give the other team their trophies. I really hope you guys just don't get that far this year. I would feel sorry for you all if you did.

[tcwest10]

Wow. An "ADD" knock. That's pretty harsh, there, GF. Plus, a whole pantload of Pro-Iggles stuff coming from you.
Two entirely unexpected angles from our own General Failure.
Hmmm. Maybe the name suits you better than I thought.
I hope not.