Campbell: "It's not the coaches"

[Redskin in Canada]

It is no coincidence that the Bills’ last stretch of success, from the late 1980s through the late 1990s, coincided largely with the tenure of talented CEO—er, general manager—Bill Polian and his people. It is no accident that Polian has since built successful teams –and management structures—in Carolina and, currently, Indianapolis.

Ogorek cited the corporate analogy of the Big Three automakers. Bill Ford saw the tsunami coming, brought in innovative managers and survived.

“Ford . . . redid its entire car line. GM and Chrysler didn’t,” Ogorek said. “Rick Wagoner [at GM] oversaw perhaps the greatest destruction of capital in American history. The difference? Ownership and management.”

Little harsh on the skins aren't ya?

I left the portion of the article that applies to all succesful organizations. A Harvard degree in business administration is not required to arrive at that conclusion. It is that simple. That's what I am talking about ...

OK Vet, it is true that the Skins are not GM, we will leave that privilege to Dallas, maybe Chrysler though ...

As for Campbell, I agree with you. Wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time in a wrong system. And we know how that works out.

[markshark84]

Did anyone hear the word "I" in those statements.

Yes.

No, he didn't say "I am the biggest screwup on this team," which I'm convinced is the ONLY way he's going to make the haters the least bit happy. But he's clearly shouldering responsibility, and anyone who reads those quotes with a modicum of objectivity sees that.

There have been times recently when JC did say things like "I made mistakes" or "I didn't get things done." A thread was posted in Hogwash covering that. Check the blind spot in your memory; you may find it there.

This is a perfect example of his blatent inabilty to be a team leader. Leaders take accountability for the actions that take place on the field. It is apparent that JC is unwilling to step up and take any sort of accountability for the feeble offense he runs.

No, it's not. Although this post was a blatant example of fishing for another way to be down on JC. I think we get it: you don't like him and think he's a huge problem.

Trust me, I look at these things objectively, regardless of my personal opinion of JC's QBing abilities or whether you want to believe it or not. And I am sorry, we can agree to disagree on this, but the response given by JC was not one of a team leader -- based on the current issues this team is having. I would have like to have heard that "he", along with the team (but placing himself first), is/are working to execute the offense more effectively or that "he" is looking forward to working with the new offensive personnel to improve the offense. In no way did I want to hear JC say that he is "the biggest screw up on the team" -- because that would create issues within the locker room and it wouldn't be in the teams best interest. I just would have like to see a little more accountability.

And when JC has said the he makes mistakes, he has usually been referring to individual circumstances or plays. JC has come out this year and said that "he has had a good season thus far" -- meanwhile we have one of the worst scoring offenses in the entire NFL. Does that sound like some looking to shoulder the blame? That statement would make any objective person believe that he is not looking past himself or that he believes that he cannot do anything more to help the team -- after all if he is "having a good season", yet we have one of the worst offenses in the NFL, the logical conclusion would be that he believes that he is not the one underperforming.

And in terms of your second statement, you really didn't make a point --- besides disagreeing with me and following it up with a statement saying I don't like JC. Saying that "we" need to execute isn't taking direct responsibility -- which I believe is warranted. Sure JC included himself in the term "we", but he needs to identify himself as the offensive leader and that the success of the offense ultimately depends on his play and ability to work with the new offensive hire. Trust me, I think that the statements he made were intelligent and well thought out, but there was a lack of emotion attached to them -- but perhaps that was the intent.

[collins1]

Under JC and his 40 NFL starts, he has only won one game by more than one TD and only has 2 games where the team has scored over 30 points. Both of these stats are NFL RECORDS. I think it is time for JC to articulate the obvious and make himself accountable for the lack of scoring that has been widespread since his arrival. This was stated in the beginning. How can all of these people make Soup out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread after reading that? Does anyone watch Brady, Manning or Favre play? These guys actually throw to a receiver who may be covered but know how to and are accurate. If you watch JC he'll throw way above someones head or on a short 5 yard pass throw behind them. I'm surprised one of our receivers hasn't had his block taken off with his wild throws.

[RayNAustin]

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And when JC has said the he makes mistakes, he has usually been referring to individual circumstances or plays. JC has come out this year and said that "he has had a good season thus far" -- meanwhile we have one of the worst scoring offenses in the entire NFL. Does that sound like some looking to shoulder the blame? That statement would make any objective person believe that he is not looking past himself or that he believes that he cannot do anything more to help the team -- after all if he is "having a good season", yet we have one of the worst offenses in the NFL, the logical conclusion would be that he believes that he is not the one underperforming.

Mark, in case you haven't already figured this out ...NOTHING can be said that hasn't already been said about Jason Campbell. Those that refuse to acknowledge the impact poor QBing has on the offense won't change their minds. Any doubt about that should have been cleared up after the TB game. The "no I wouldn't have benched him" crowd will never, ever, ever agree with your position, because after one of the poorest performances ever, they're still committed.

On another note, the hiring of "the consultant" just proves that this FO is absolutely as bad, or worse than everyone here feels they are. I've defended them of late, but have no defense for the clear "no confidence" vote depicted by this hire. If you don't trust your HC, fine. Fire him. If you do, don't insult him.

And another note: did anyone watch Portis response? He said, "It doesn't matter what I think, I'm just a part time running back".

He's clearly been marginalized by Zorn this year. And I don't want to hear what he's done or hasn't done this season so far. This marginalization took place before the season started, when Zorn declared his intentions to use Betts on 3rd downs.

Ray Charles could see what's wrong with this team. That Cerrato thinks he needs a retired guy to come in as a fresh set of eyes tells you all you need to know about what is wrong with the Redskins.

Cerrato is clueless about the fact that Zorn is clueless about the fact that Campbell is clueless.

All three need to go.

[jmooney]

How big of a stick is Sherm Lewis gonna be allowed to swing? I mean,you have to assume he is going to make some assesments over the next few weeks and report back to Dan and Vinny.

What happens if he finds problems with the QB or head coach in this system?

I get the impression this guy is here to give the front office a "fresh set of eyes" not the coaches.

One thing for certain, this guy has had a hand in developing some of the best recievers the NFL has ever seen. There wil be no more excuses for Malcom and Devin.

[Irn-Bru]

Mark, in case you haven't already figured this out ...NOTHING can be said that hasn't already been said about Jason Campbell. Those that refuse to acknowledge the impact poor QBing has on the offense won't change their minds. Any doubt about that should have been cleared up after the TB game. The "no I wouldn't have benched him" crowd will never, ever, ever agree with your position, because after one of the poorest performances ever, they're still committed.

I am one of the "I wouldn't have benched him" crowd, but nothing else that you ascribe to me describes me in the least.

I have not decided that Campbell is our now and future QB. If Zorn benched him this week now and forever, I wouldn't necessarily have any complaints.

Campbell is one of the problems with our anemic offense. He is one of the primary problems with our anemic offense.

And yet, were I coach, I wouldn't have benched Campbell in the TB game, and I wouldn't be seriously considering demoting him to #2 or #3 right now. That seems to me to be a strategic error.

Did I just blow your mind? Because according to you I don't exist.

Now, clearly he had a terrible first half. But, then again, look at his final stat line: 12/22 for 170yds, 2td 3int, and 7 runs for 20yds. How in the world does that qualify for "one of the poorest performances ever"? You are making no sense.

[Irn-Bru]

Trust me, I look at these things objectively, regardless of my personal opinion of JC's QBing abilities or whether you want to believe it or not.

I don't doubt that this is your intention and aim. But I'm speaking to the season-long record of your posts, both in discussion and gameday threads. I've seen a ton of hyperbole, exasperation, outright frustration and unrestrained emotion. You have shaken your head in disbelief at the slightest mention of positive assessment. You've asked if people are on drugs when they point out that JC made a good play here or there.

In my book, that kind of record speaks for itself. So when you offer an interpretation of a few soundbytes that is that uncharitable, presumptuous, and suggestive, I can't help but point out that there is probably more going on here than pure level-headed analysis.

[PulpExposure]

Mark, in case you haven't already figured this out ...NOTHING can be said that hasn't already been said about Jason Campbell. Those that refuse to acknowledge the impact poor QBing has on the offense won't change their minds. Any doubt about that should have been cleared up after the TB game. The "no I wouldn't have benched him" crowd will never, ever, ever agree with your position, because after one of the poorest performances ever, they're still committed.

I am one of the "I wouldn't have benched him" crowd, but nothing else that you ascribe to me describes me in the least.

I have not decided that Campbell is our now and future QB. If Zorn benched him this week now and forever, I wouldn't necessarily have any complaints.

Campbell is one of the problems with our anemic offense. He is one of the primary problems with our anemic offense.

And yet, were I coach, I wouldn't have benched Campbell in the TB game, and I wouldn't be seriously considering demoting him to #2 or #3 right now. That seems to me to be a strategic error.

Did I just blow your mind? Because according to you I don't exist.

I'm in the same boat as you. I think we must be causing a disruption in the space-time continuum.

Now, clearly he had a terrible first half. But, then again, look at his final stat line: 12/22 for 170yds, 2td 3int, and 7 runs for 20yds. How in the world does that qualify for "one of the poorest performances ever"? You are making no sense.

Lol. Seriously, Ray, you need to cut down on the hyperbole. Do you remember Tim Hasselbeck's NFL record 0.0 passer rating for the game against Dallas? Or when Schuler threw 5 INTs against the Cardinals? I mean, those are two games I can recall which were just awful. And there were many, many more like that (Danny Wuerrfle, etc.)

[Irn-Bru]

Jason Campbell himself has had worse games.

[redskins14ru]

Seeing as how were mentioning the game then, Ya I would note the numbers as fine a W is a W but when you see the importance of effort on JCs part he hung in there and played a good game it made me smile to see him fighting through and working his butt off to it done. kudos on his performance and YES he has had better games. All in all he had a pretty good day out there though.

[redskins14ru]

Seems like the skins have played the first four games of the season and sqauted, although, I have seen gleamces of the "system" that Zorn brought showing itself to improve. I have yet to see the offense work even close to its potiental.
Along With the evolution of the passing offense in DC this season JC has gotten the chances. Bad thing is they don't work....There was one play I saw that Cambell had to throw the ball to a reciever, the play was similiar to a hitch or a flare route only it was the last option at the end of short scramble just before JC crossed the line of scrimmage the result a completion to a redskins receiver, I saw the same play last year In NY vs the Giants he never threw the ball, that play took an entire year to see again, I wished he would have thrown it last year lol
Maybe next week he will put that long ball on the out side shoulder and maybe thats going get it started or maybe this or maybe that as an offense there all to blame to some extent for the lack of production a missed block or a bad run.
I agree with Cambells statement 100%
Had he said I messed up three times Clinton made 2 mistakes and the right gaurd missed 3 blocks and Jim he wanted to block the Defensive end with Chris C. then he would have communicated a lack of team unity and thats not what a leader needed his only I statement was when he mentions the coaches. As a leader he spoke out for the players not about the players thier. He says "we" when he mentions the mistakes on the field. I like the comment, However, comments do not score points. I hope the attitute and commitment that the offensive unit has made this week shows up on the visiting teams side of the score board this week.
It is clearly the QB position that will be what puts the offense were it needs to be. I have heard more than once on the board already they are still bringing 2 QBs, I seriously do not think Cambells days are numbered only because of his work ethic and attitude, But with the fresh set of eyes then I do not see JC being able to walk away each week with good numbers unless he puts the offense in motion and is succesfull he has to throw the ball. It will be nice if they can correct themselves out there within a qaurters time or even during a drive instead of waiting a year or even an entire game to see any improvment at all.

[jeremyroyce]

Look. You can't call out your players on TV. If you do, that is only going to cause all types of trouble (see T.O.) in the locker room. I'm sure he is talking to guys in the huddle, on the sidelines, in practice and film study. I don't think he needs to go public and put the player on blast in the media. That's no way to be a leader in any organization. I would hate to have a company meeting and my manager say out loud that I am not pulling my weight in front of everyone, and I would imagine that we all would too.

Did you have to mention T.O.? Can we please give it a rest? I'm tired of every situation that happens I always hear T.O.

[RayNAustin]

I am one of the "I wouldn't have benched him" crowd, but nothing else that you ascribe to me describes me in the least.

I didn't ascribe anything specifically to you. Did I mention you in this post? The answer is no. But you seem to become personally offended any time I criticize Campbell for some strange reason.

I have not decided that Campbell is our now and future QB. If Zorn benched him this week now and forever, I wouldn't necessarily have any complaints.

Campbell is one of the problems with our anemic offense. He is one of the primary problems with our anemic offense.

And yet, were I coach, I wouldn't have benched Campbell in the TB game, and I wouldn't be seriously considering demoting him to #2 or #3 right now. That seems to me to be a strategic error.

Did I just blow your mind? Because according to you I don't exist.

No, you seem to be disorientated and confused .. and that doesn't blow my mind at all.

You think Campbell is one of the "primary problems of our anemic offense" but you wouldn't bench him. That doesn't make any sense, sorry. He was the same in 2007, and his replacement was one of the primary reasons for the dramatic improvement in our anemic offense. And since that replacement is here and available, I cannot imagine why it would be such a stretch of your imagination to consider if that could be replicated on purpose instead of being forced by injury.

Now, clearly he had a terrible first half. But, then again, look at his final stat line: 12/22 for 170yds, 2td 3int, and 7 runs for 20yds. How in the world does that qualify for "one of the poorest performances ever"? You are making no sense.

No, that would be you making no sense. Those stats are altogether horrible, considering they were against one of the worst defenses in the league. His horrendous first half was so bad he did everything but single handedly ensure a loss by halftime. It was only stellar defense that allowed us to win that game. The final stats are putrid numbers, considering the opponent.

You need only look at what other teams and QBs have done against them to see this clearly.

[RayNAustin]

Lol. Seriously, Ray, you need to cut down on the hyperbole. Do you remember Tim Hasselbeck's NFL record 0.0 passer rating for the game against Dallas? Or when Schuler threw 5 INTs against the Cardinals? I mean, those are two games I can recall which were just awful. And there were many, many more like that (Danny Wuerrfle, etc.)

The first half was the worst I can remember of any of them ... considering that none of the mistakes were forced, and it was against one of if not the worst teams playing this year. This isn't hyperbole. It's a fact.

You could smell the stench of his play on the moon.

And this is coming from the guy who is making constant improvements ... according to the Jason Campbell fan club.

I tell you this. You, and some of your brethren are TERRIFIED at the very idea of Collins coming in to replace Campbell. Because if they did make this change, and Collins performed like he did in 2007, a bunch of you would be forced to sit in the corner and suck your thumbs.

That's really the deal, isn't it? Yes it is.

[mastdark81]

Your crazy!!!!

What they ask ey to do is too much for a TE of his size. He should never be asked to hold a block on a D End one one on with run plays on his side. Sure, he could beef up or whatever but it will take away from his best asset - his ability in the passing game.

He has always been a pass catching TE similar to Clark @ Indy. They do not ask him to block one on one against d ends. On those plays, we should be running a jumbo package with Yoder. After last game, I never really too interest in watching Fred Davis blocked be he was asked to block a D End and he just 100% whiffed on the play.

One player I will 100% stand behind is ey.

I definitely don't agree with Zorn putting him on the goaline to block a DE and having the nerve to run that way!! lol I never said that. All I said was he should block better then he's off the hook with ME. There's something that each player on this team can get better at and thats how you field a great 53 man roster. Read instead of making assumptions on what you think I typed in. I don't expect ey to pancake anyone but hold the block just enough so the RB can get past or the QB can throw the ball. If that ain't enough to ask for then you must have the same type of mentality and expectations of Jim Zorn has on his players. ey half heartedly blocks HALF the time. In the times where Zorn puts him at his disadvantages, then thats bad coaching but he also could learn how to hit a guys legs like RB's generally do on a pass protect instead of trying to use his chest and push a guy away like a lineman. I wonder if you think since Sellers is a BLOCKING fullback he shouldn't be expected to be able to catch the ball on occasion? These are professional athletes.

[Irn-Bru]

I tell you this. You, and some of your brethren are TERRIFIED at the very idea of Collins coming in to replace Campbell.

Of course not.

Because if they did make this change, and Collins performed like he did in 2007, a bunch of you would be forced to sit in the corner and suck your thumbs.

That's really the deal, isn't it? Yes it is.

[Irn-Bru]

I didn't ascribe anything specifically to you. Did I mention you in this post? The answer is no. But you seem to become personally offended any time I criticize Campbell for some strange reason.

Go take a look at this thread; you clearly were talking about me, unless suddenly I don't fit in the "wouldn't have benched him" crowd. You cited "them" specifically . . . I was one of the people who gave that exact position earlier in this thread . . . you proceeded to pontificate on what you think is going on in their minds . . . I disagreed with your take.

How is that not clear?

Now, clearly he had a terrible first half. But, then again, look at his final stat line: 12/22 for 170yds, 2td 3int, and 7 runs for 20yds. How in the world does that qualify for "one of the poorest performances ever"? You are making no sense.

No, that would be you making no sense. Those stats are altogether horrible, considering they were against one of the worst defenses in the league. His horrendous first half was so bad he did everything but single handedly ensure a loss by halftime. It was only stellar defense that allowed us to win that game. The final stats are putrid numbers, considering the opponent.

Interesting. A discussion of the first half, a hard sell on how bad the Bucs defense is, then a passing reference to our own defense and conclusion that it had to be one of the "poorest performances ever."

That's a poorly constructed argument for the assertion you're trying to support. It might help next time if you include more data than your own opinion. For example, you could provide a relevant comparison, showing how JC's performance and another of the "poorest performances ever" bear similarity. (This would be fairly easy to do with a more obvious "poorest performances ever" candidate, such as Hasselbeck's 0.0 QB rating game.)

Instead I get adjectives. Translation: trust me, even though the stats won't bear it out, I'm right. Uh. OK, if you say so.

You need only look at what other teams and QBs have done against them to see this clearly.

More shifting tactics. You are the one with the burden of proof here, having called Campbell's game one of the "poorest performances ever." Talking about one half of the game and then crediting our defense with the win has ZERO to do with proving your larger point.

Calling his final stat line "putrid" doesn't even begin to show that it's one of the "poorest performances ever," it just lets me know what you opinion of him is. But since I already think your opinion is wrong, you will have to make some substantive argument in support of it. Then we'd have something to discuss.

[mastdark81]

Did anyone hear the word "I" in those statements.

Of course not. According to the conventional wisdom these days:

It's Danny's fault.
It's Vinnie's fault.
It's Campbell's fault.
It's Zorn's fault.
It's the line's fault.
It's the receivers' fault.
It's Portis's fault.

In that order. So many people are to blame, maybe we should start identifying the people who aren't at fault. The only one who gets a pass on the offensive side seems to be ey.

Nope!! Not so fast, when ey improves on his blocking then he'll get a pass. He seems to take plays off on run downs to get enough energy on the passing plays. Been doing this since day one. He's beat 50% of the time. We dont' have a pure blocking te on the team. Should at least have one.

This has got to be in the top 10 stupidest things posted here. I guess a TE who's capable of leading your team in receptions and setting club records is expected to be a freakin superior blocking TE as well? Wow...what a well thought out post.....

Once again I didn't say he should be a superior blocker, just a quality blocker. I've seen guys swipe pass him or ey miss his block entirely too many times. When he is on the field, that is one thing he is expected to do as well, I could care less what records he's set at receiving if he can't complete his full duties as a tight end for the most part. I know where your coming from though. Some of you guys are the same guys that expect full 360 play from other players (Portis not a deep threat, Suisham doesn't have long kickoffs, hall can't tackle, whine whine whine...but when I state a player should have better blocking it is a stupid post). Get out of here with that!

[PulpExposure]

Because if they did make this change, and Collins performed like he did in 2007, a bunch of you would be forced to sit in the corner and suck your thumbs.

That's really the deal, isn't it? Yes it is.

I have no idea either. Unlike Ray, I'm not certain that Collins would come in and be much better. Look what happened when Collins played a game under pressure (Seattle). It was ugly. And that's exactly the situation he'd be in if he played behind this (offensive) offensive line.

Or does Ray just seriously think that I enjoy watching the Redskins be non-competitive?

[Irn-Bru]

And even if Collins comes in and is something of an improvement . . . OK, great! I don't see why I have to be anti-Collins just because I'm not pro-let's-cut-Campbell-now(!).

[Countertrey]

And even if Collins comes in and is something of an improvement . . . OK, great! I don't see why I have to be anti-Collins just because I'm not pro-let's-cut-Campbell-now(!).

Because, this is America... and in America, even straw men have rights!