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[Joe G.]

Everyone talks about losing Champ is such a great disaster, but I think that it helps the team out. One thing that I noticed about Champ was he had talent (obviously), but I noticed something else. That was when we needed him to step it up he never did, he actually got worse. Like when playing Dallas under Marty, when the game got tough Baily got smoked, the Giants this year had a field day with him, he got burned by Marty Booker, the Eagles recievers had a field day with him, agianst the Dolphins he was out of position on that run play which cost us the game, the Bucs had a field day with him, and he is a puzzy. Lets get real Gibbs talks about character, Champ wouldn't fit in at all. When the Skins went through tough times and the franchise looked hopeless what did Baily say, I want out. To win Championships you need a fighter, some one that will get up after getting knocked down by a vicious blow, not someone who runs away like a chicken. When the going got tough Champ never got going.

[BossHog]

Everyone talks about losing Champ is such a great disaster, but I think that it helps the team out. One thing that I noticed about Champ was he had talent (obviously), but I noticed something else. That was when we needed him to step it up he never did, he actually got worse. Like when playing Dallas under Marty, when the game got tough Baily got smoked, the Giants this year had a field day with him, he got burned by Marty Booker, the Eagles recievers had a field day with him, agianst the Dolphins he was out of position on that run play which cost us the game, the Bucs had a field day with him, and he is a puzzy. Lets get real Gibbs talks about character, Champ wouldn't fit in at all. When the Skins went through tough times and the franchise looked hopeless what did Baily say, I want out. To win Championships you need a fighter, some one that will get up after getting knocked down by a vicious blow, not someone who runs away like a chicken sh!t. When the going got tough Champ never got going.

Joe... I agree COMPLETELY... but this is also a PG board and swearing is not allowed except in the smack forum.

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[Joe G.]

Sorry about the bad words it won't happen again.

[chicosbailbond]

i don't think i am as harsh as this poster... but i tend to agree... i am not totally sure if champs reputation was puffery... but he just seemed to let me down.... i always thought he made critical mistakes... like the examples given... the bucs game last year was a mess... champ was out of position on runs alot... he always lost contain... i might have kept him... just not at the salary his reputation was commanding... i think we are better off not spending the money on him....

[#1SKINFAN]

I HEARD A RUMOR FROM A FRIEND IN COLORADO THAT A LOCAL PAPER DOWN THERE IS SAYING CHAMP IS GETTING BURNED REGULERLY IN CAMP BY THE BRONCOS RECEIVERS. I DONT KNOW HOW TRUE THIS IS BUT I ALSO HEARD THEY ARE REGRETING LETTING PORTIS GO. REMEMBER JUST A RUMOR

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Speaking of ol' #24, a funny thing happened to me this morning...I found my old Champ Bailey jersey in my luggage, as I was clearing it out from my recent trip to FL.

For the longest time I thought I had lost it, but, it turns out I never unpacked it when my wife and I returned from our honeymoon...almost a year ago (along with a pair of slacks and another shirt). Yikes!

I guess the bad thing about it is that Champ is no longer here. The good thing is that now I have a white Skins jersey again. Oh well.

I'm glad we have Clinton.

BTW - If that rumor is true (re: Broncos), it makes our deal even more sweet.

[Justice Hog]

I agree. I was a big supporter of Champ when he signed and, early on, he really showed a lot of talent. Last year, however, the guy was mediocre at best...and was considered a "shut down" corner based on his play in previous years. I'm glad the Skins got rid of him...especially getting a stud RB in return.

[Irn-Bru]

I agree. I was a big supporter of Champ when he signed and, early on, he really showed a lot of talent. Last year, however, the guy was mediocre at best...and was considered a "shut down" corner based on his play in previous years. I'm glad the Skins got rid of him...especially getting a stud RB in return.

I agree with you, JH (and Joe G) with most of the emphasis being on this past year. Honestly, Smoot performed better, played through more pain, showed more heart, and was a better leader by the end of the season.

I love Champ, was saddened by his comments near the end of the year, like when he implied that if Edwards were to go, then he would as well. Yet I was still sad to see him get traded, despite his attitude going south near the end of the year.

Combine that with his mediocre play in his last year here; and with time I'll only get happier that the trade happened.

As an aside, assuming that Champ has a good career with the Broncos and perhaps other teams, which he is more than capable of, does anyone think that Champ Bailey and Paul Krause could be mentioned in the same breath? I'm too young to know myself, I'm just wondering if that would be a good comparison.

[gambit187]

Everyone talks about losing Champ is such a great disaster, but I think that it helps the team out. One thing that I noticed about Champ was he had talent (obviously), but I noticed something else. That was when we needed him to step it up he never did, he actually got worse. Like when playing Dallas under Marty, when the game got tough Baily got smoked, the Giants this year had a field day with him, he got burned by Marty Booker, the Eagles recievers had a field day with him, agianst the Dolphins he was out of position on that run play which cost us the game, the Bucs had a field day with him, and he is a puzzy. Lets get real Gibbs talks about character, Champ wouldn't fit in at all. When the Skins went through tough times and the franchise looked hopeless what did Baily say, I want out. To win Championships you need a fighter, some one that will get up after getting knocked down by a vicious blow, not someone who runs away like a chicken. When the going got tough Champ never got going.

Funny Joe G, the same could be said about alot of the redskin defenders the last couple years. I for one still contend that Champ was a helluva a corner. Also did you guys know that Champ was a work a holic. He is the one responsible for instilling the work ethic in Smoot. Champ also was very disappointed in some of the other redskins work ethic.......HUmmm maybe the so called beef with Lavar, was because of Lavar's work ethic. Every corner gets burnt from time to time, but Champ was a very good corner. He could not help it if the D-line sucked, and the LB's were constantly out of position.

[Redskins1974]

I was a fan of Champ until last season but when I saw him get burnt time and time again in the Giants game - ouch. Then again in the Tampa game... the Eagles game. It was out of hand. I know he has a great work ethic and all but it wasn't just one game. It was ALL of last season. The season before he started to slip too. I have no doubt that he's talented and perhaps will do really well in Denver but I personally think we made out better on this one.

[gambit187]

I was a fan of Champ until last season but when I saw him get burnt time and time again in the Giants game - ouch. Then again in the Tampa game... the Eagles game. It was out of hand. I know he has a great work ethic and all but it wasn't just one game. It was ALL of last season. The season before he started to slip too. I have no doubt that he's talented and perhaps will do really well in Denver but I personally think we made out better on this one.

LOL , well it has been proven that Good RB are easier to find then good CB. You guys gave up to much for Portis. So for all the missed angles and blown assignments that Arrington makes you guys are still high on him.

[surferskin]

Though it's true in most cases that it's easier to find a good RB over a "shutdown corner", i don't think that necessarily applies in this case...obviously just giving the numerous times champ was burned for LONG TD's that people mentioned above would lead me to the arguement that champ is NOT a "shutdown corner"...also i wouldn't say that portis is good running back, i would say that he is much more than good...he is EXCEPTIONAL..name the shutdown corners in the league and then name the running backs that have rushed for 1500 yards in the last two seasons (let alone their first two years) and bet you'll have less. these facts along with the amount money champ now commands leads me to believe that we did GREAT with this trade.

[surferskin]

Ok, i did a little research about my above post..(1500 yard backs in the last 2 years)...there was only 3

Priest Holmes
L. Tomlinson
CLINTON PORTIS

now i know that you can name AT LEAST 3 to 5 corners that would be considered in champ's league.

[Redskins1974]

LOL , well it has been proven that Good RB are easier to find then good CB. You guys gave up to much for Portis. So for all the missed angles and blown assignments that Arrington makes you guys are still high on him.

Actually man, if you go back and look at some of my posts, I'm not exactly lovey dovey with Arrington either, especially with his offseason nonsense. I'm a little more pleased with him lately b/c he's developed the "shut up and play" mentality. I think he has the potential to be a long time great and we've seen flashes of it but the dude has to make those plays regularly and cut out the mistakes to be put in that category, IMO. I am very glad he's a redskin and I hope he develops into one of the all time greats with us.

I will agree that throwing in the second rounder tipped the offer in Denver's favor. However, I will also say that Champ was done here and after watching him last year from my end zone fall flat on his face on two occasions for opposing team touchdowns (and countless other plays where his "shutdown coverage" was not there) - I was starting to have my doubts. That said, we picked up a player who's exited for a fresh start and who is also a great player also with a great work ethic. I'm not one to defend every move we make or one player b/c of reputation. I'll defend the quiet guy (Jon Jansen's, etc) who are a part of the team, willing to do whatever for the team, to make this thing right. That's where this coaching staff helps us - they know how to bring the stars and the quiet guys together and make them understand their roles. That's a different post entirely though.

[BringThePain!]

LOL , well it has been proven that Good RB are easier to find then good CB.

Not so easy for Dallas... eh?

[gambit187]

LOL , well it has been proven that Good RB are easier to find then good CB.

Not so easy for Dallas... eh?

Well considering that Dallas has not really been looking, I would have to say STOP REACHING BUB.

But all of you guys are down on Champ for money reason, when he was a sold player for you guys. BUT alot of you dont have a problem paying guys big money who aint done jack. As soon as they falter and fail you ready to dawg them out.


All I am saying is that if most of your defensive guys had the work ethic and discipline that Champ and now Smoot has maybe things would have been different. But that all goes back to management for annointing Lavar the next greatest thing and the so called leader of the team. SO WHO THE HELL LISTENS TO CHAMP, WHEN LAVAR (THE P DIDDY OF THE SKINS) IS "DA MAN" and is supported by management more. Hummm I wonder how long before Arringtons mental skills out way his Physical skills.

[gambit187]

Redskin74,
You are absolutely correct, in that you are one of the few that has found fault with Arrington. In todays NFL its not enough to have superb physical skills to be considered great, one must study and become a student of the game to be great.

[BringThePain!]

LOL , well it has been proven that Good RB are easier to find then good CB.

Not so easy for Dallas... eh?

Well considering that Dallas has not really been looking, I would have to say STOP REACHING BUB.

Well maybe they should... don't you believe a good running game is the key to success in the NFL?

But all of you guys are down on Champ for money reason, when he was a sold player for you guys. BUT alot of you dont have a problem paying guys big money who aint done jack. As soon as they falter and fail you ready to dawg them out.


All I am saying is that if most of your defensive guys had the work ethic and discipline that Champ and now Smoot has maybe things would have been different. But that all goes back to management for annointing Lavar the next greatest thing and the so called leader of the team. SO WHO THE HELL LISTENS TO CHAMP, WHEN LAVAR (THE P DIDDY OF THE SKINS) IS "DA MAN" and is supported by management more. Hummm I wonder how long before Arringtons mental skills out way his Physical skills.

Champ was working for the all-mighty dollar..... thats all his work ethic is about.... Don't come in here and try to stir up trouble, he did get burned alot last year, and you could tell his heart wasn't in it.... like alot of the other guys..... It's what happens when something isn't working and players don't believe in it.....

Wether Lavar has not played to potential is moot, he's still alot better than average .... and the fact is HE WANTED TO BE HERE! and Champ didn't.... he was more worried about being payed the highest in the league than he cared about sticking with a team and FANS THAT LOVED HIM! So Lavar is the leader of this team for now, because he loves his fans and wants to see this team succeed... he carries his role very well.... make up names for him if you want .... i guarantee, you would take him in Dallas in a heartbeat, given the option....

[tcwest10]

Ummm, "Champ" who ?
What, that CB in Denver ? What does that have to do with us ?

[gambit187]

LOL , well it has been proven that Good RB are easier to find then good CB.

Not so easy for Dallas... eh?

Well considering that Dallas has not really been looking, I would have to say STOP REACHING BUB.

Well maybe they should... don't you believe a good running game is the key to success in the NFL?

But all of you guys are down on Champ for money reason, when he was a sold player for you guys. BUT alot of you dont have a problem paying guys big money who aint done jack. As soon as they falter and fail you ready to dawg them out.


All I am saying is that if most of your defensive guys had the work ethic and discipline that Champ and now Smoot has maybe things would have been different. But that all goes back to management for annointing Lavar the next greatest thing and the so called leader of the team. SO WHO THE HELL LISTENS TO CHAMP, WHEN LAVAR (THE P DIDDY OF THE SKINS) IS "DA MAN" and is supported by management more. Hummm I wonder how long before Arringtons mental skills out way his Physical skills.

Champ was working for the all-mighty dollar..... thats all his work ethic is about.... Don't come in here and try to stir up trouble, he did get burned alot last year, and you could tell his heart wasn't in it.... like alot of the other guys..... It's what happens when something isn't working and players don't believe in it.....

Wether Lavar has not played to potential is moot, he's still alot better than average .... and the fact is HE WANTED TO BE HERE! and Champ didn't.... he was more worried about being payed the highest in the league than he cared about sticking with a team and FANS THAT LOVED HIM! So Lavar is the leader of this team for now, because he loves his fans and wants to see this team succeed... he carries his role very well.... make up names for him if you want .... i guarantee, you would take him in Dallas in a heartbeat, given the option....

Oh and I guess Lavar is not about the all mighty dollar, Oh yeah he carries his role as a leader really well, having rookies and others out on a friday night till 3 and 4 in the morning, when they gotta be back at camp saturday morning. If he tried that crap in Dallas Woodsen,Coakley,Nygun,Ellis, or Glover would check him on that. He would not have Synder to run to or the media like he does here in D.C. oh and dont give me that crap that Coach Gibbs is in charge, becuase we have yet to see if an incident like ole Bruce Smith happens yet.

Well yes i would, but in Dallas , Parcells laid down the rules last year. (Dont be in the Clubs all hours of the night, or you will be cut). Plus we have tons of leaders on the team that would check him soon as he walked into Valley Ranch.



P.S. TcWest I got that from Forrest Gump, not Steve Austin.....all though as we say in the hood Steve Austin is my Dawg

[BringThePain!]

will you shut it about the club already.... you act like if somebody goes to a club then there not taking care of there responsibilities..... what are you doing at the club??? Don't you have responsibilities?? Somebody who's got as many kids and jobs as you do, I don't know how you have all this extra time to hang out in clubs, get the evil scoop on all the redskins players If your boys are all about putting people in check, what were they doing before Parcells got there? Huh? nothin.... they were doing the same thing are guys were doing... underachieving.... so how can you sit here and judge our team.... when your team was in the same boat the year before last.... how you can, is beyond me.... Again.... if you want to bring some facts to the table, do it.... but enough about the redskins night life....

[Jake]

Yes, it's true... he has been getting burned.



And was also involved in a scuffle. And with Romar Crenshaw at that! (I've never heard of him, either)

[surferskin]

do you have link for that jake?

[gambit187]

will you shut it about the club already.... you act like if somebody goes to a club then there not taking care of there responsibilities..... what are you doing at the club??? Don't you have responsibilities?? Somebody who's got as many kids and jobs as you do, I don't know how you have all this extra time to hang out in clubs, get the evil scoop on all the redskins players If your boys are all about putting people in check, what were they doing before Parcells got there? Huh? nothin.... they were doing the same thing are guys were doing... underachieving.... so how can you sit here and judge our team.... when your team was in the same boat the year before last.... how you can, is beyond me.... Again.... if you want to bring some facts to the table, do it.... but enough about the redskins night life....

Dang Bub , you sound a little upset, you got completly off track and switched up the subject to me. Well since you threw me into the mix, I must let you know, I have one job my full time gig, but then my wife and I have several other money making ventures we pull money from lets see about comics and collectables, resume writing, basic web site design and sorta artist management. So thru all my different business contacts thru my daytime job and proffesional job, I am usually at alot of events.

But enough of me, you can keep ignoring the facts all you want.

[BringThePain!]

will you shut it about the club already.... you act like if somebody goes to a club then there not taking care of there responsibilities..... what are you doing at the club??? Don't you have responsibilities?? Somebody who's got as many kids and jobs as you do, I don't know how you have all this extra time to hang out in clubs, get the evil scoop on all the redskins players If your boys are all about putting people in check, what were they doing before Parcells got there? Huh? nothin.... they were doing the same thing are guys were doing... underachieving.... so how can you sit here and judge our team.... when your team was in the same boat the year before last.... how you can, is beyond me.... Again.... if you want to bring some facts to the table, do it.... but enough about the redskins night life....

Dang Bub , you sound a little upset, you got completly off track and switched up the subject to me. Well since you threw me into the mix, I must let you know, I have one job my full time gig, but then my wife and I have several other money making ventures we pull money from lets see about comics and collectables, resume writing, basic web site design and sorta artist management. So thru all my different business contacts thru my daytime job and proffesional job, I am usually at alot of events.

But enough of me, you can keep ignoring the facts all you want.

blah, blah, blah.... you actually brought yourself into the mix, no one else has the insider scoop about the club other than you.... But I didn't get off track, but you failed to answer anything I brought up about your boys, as usual you like to dance, and I'm sick of dancing.... I'm done.