Official Redskins-Giants Post-Game Day Thread

[crazyhorse1]

Besides a stronger run d, I felt like i was watching the exact same miserable team I saw at the end of last year. Haynesworth did an EXCELLENT job stuffing the run and he will prove to everyone that he was worth it. (even tho no1 is worth that kind of money) deangelo hall needs to learn to tackle. the manningham td could have EASILY been prevented with just a simple tackle instead of a hitstick lol.... it was nice to c him get a pick but that was the least he could do after his petty mistakes. campbell looks indecisive as usual and portis besides his first carry seemed slower than usual....now..... did any1 notice that when the redskins were in 4 WR and 1 TE or 5 Wide they were moving the ball EFFECTIVELY????? y is it with 2:30 left in the gm they score a TD in 1 minute using 1 TO. earlier in the gm when they were in shotgun after the campbell fumble td they also moved it very quickly.... the skins have 4/5 capable wideouts and a very good TE in cooley to stay in shotgun more often... i think campbell is more confident and poised in the gun. i think the play caling for the redskins is completely moronic on offense. if skins dont win 8 or more gms i belivee zorn will be fired and i would stand by the decision 100%.... he is not fit for this job..... the playcalling is just too obvious and its sad that the talent on this team cant play to their full potential... thoughts?

It's hard not to notice that our passing game, complete with at least 2 WR's and ARE in the slot and ey making the defense crazy is the way to go about two-thirds of the time and nine tenths of the time in the crunch. Zorn is in fact an idiot as a play caller. To march down the field with a passing attack again and again and then not score because Zorn suddenly reverts to a running game is almost too much for me to tolerate.

We don't have a running game-- we have a running distraction or a running down waster, or some such thing. Maybe a running disaster. Truism: Running the ball for us is akin to throwing away a down and should never happen except to surprize the defense.

Here are some questions of mine: Where was Orakpo? Will Campbell ever stop giving away touchdowna by fumbles? Here are answers to unasked questions: No, Campbell can not throw long. No. Daniels still can't play. No. Portis is our slowest RB, not Rock. Yes, Samuels is near the end and probably playing on a bad ankle. Yes. The Oline still can't play.

[Redskin_ty]

This is a divisional game, they really know our tendensies. It is only one game, let see after 4 games if our offense is the same. IMO I think that the next three games we are going to be more effective on offense.

[Deadskins]

Yes, Samuels is near the end and probably playing on a bad ankle.

Somehow, not as funny now.

This is a divisional game, they really know our tendensies.

That we have tendencies, is just the problem with Zorn's play calling.

[Mursilis]

It's hard not to notice that our passing game, complete with at least 2 WR's and ARE in the slot and ey making the defense crazy is the way to go about two-thirds of the time and nine tenths of the time in the crunch. Zorn is in fact an idiot as a play caller. To march down the field with a passing attack again and again and then not score because Zorn suddenly reverts to a running game is almost too much for me to tolerate.

We don't have a running game-- we have a running distraction or a running down waster, or some such thing. Maybe a running disaster. Truism: Running the ball for us is akin to throwing away a down and should never happen except to surprize the defense.

Mostly, you're right on all this. Yes, the short passing game was working Sunday, and run was getting stuffed, as I've said already. The running game can work against other teams, and should be used then, but against the G-men, it was going nowhere. Portis had that first big run, and then pretty much was getting stuff. Meanwhile, Campbell was hitting that short and medium stuff most of the game. Yet Zorn still insisted on sticking to the run, because of that silly coach's rule that your attack has to be balanced. Baloney! All your attack has to do is score - HOW you do it is secondary.

Did anyone watch the Pats game last night? Buffalo was stuffing NE's running game pretty well, so Belichek basically just gave up on it - he passed 77% of the time, because that's what was working!! Sure, most of the passes were short (averaging 6.8 yards/pass play, as compared to 8.3 yards/pass play which Washington averaged on Sunday), but NE was taking what Buffalo was giving, and they were racking up the offensive yards because of it. Compare that to Zorn's playcalling on Sunday (21 runs, 29 passes, or 59% passes), sticking with the run despite the fact it wasn't working. Sure, Zorn's playcalling was more 'balanced', but they award no points for having a balanced attack in the NFL. Is it any wonder NE's unbalanced attack won, and Washington's more balanced attack again failed to win, and didn't light up the stats column either? It's a passing league - Jim Zorn, a former QB, should know that. Why have a West Coast offense if you're not going to use it?

[VetSkinsFan]

One point I see people miss...


Yes, Hall could have made a TD saving tackle, but I haven't seen ANYONE comment on Smoot being the corner in coverage there. He's JUST as guilty as Hall for that TD.

[Paralis]

Yeah, but who really expects Smoot at this point in his career to do more than play hurt and run his mouth? Tackling's for football players!

[nc skins]

Botton line is hall just got a big pay day and needs to live up to it. I know he got an interception but that was credited to an outstanding play by laron. Deangelo earn your money!!!

[VetSkinsFan]

Yeah, but who really expects Smoot at this point in his career to do more than play hurt and run his mouth? Tackling's for football players!

Last year and this pre-season, he's played well...and he plays more games than Springs did last year iirc.

[PulpExposure]

One point I see people miss...


Yes, Hall could have made a TD saving tackle, but I haven't seen ANYONE comment on Smoot being the corner in coverage there. He's JUST as guilty as Hall for that TD.

I have pointed this out elsewhere. Smoot whiffed on the first tackle, which would have not only stopped the TD, but stopped Manningham short of the first down...and it was third down.

[VetSkinsFan]

One point I see people miss...


Yes, Hall could have made a TD saving tackle, but I haven't seen ANYONE comment on Smoot being the corner in coverage there. He's JUST as guilty as Hall for that TD.

I have pointed this out elsewhere. Smoot whiffed on the first tackle, which would have not only stopped the TD, but stopped Manningham short of the first down...and it was third down.

I concede and reiterate then

[CanesSkins26]

One point I see people miss...


Yes, Hall could have made a TD saving tackle, but I haven't seen ANYONE comment on Smoot being the corner in coverage there. He's JUST as guilty as Hall for that TD.

True. But unlike Hall, Smoot isn't one of the highest paid corners in the NFL. Even on the int, Hall was beat on the play and it took a great play from Landry to break up the pass. Hall was horrible on Sunday and he said as much himself.

[Deadskins]

One point I see people miss...


Yes, Hall could have made a TD saving tackle, but I haven't seen ANYONE comment on Smoot being the corner in coverage there. He's JUST as guilty as Hall for that TD.

True. But unlike Hall, Smoot isn't one of the highest paid corners in the NFL. Even on the int, Hall was beat on the play and it took a great play from Landry to break up the pass. Hall was horrible on Sunday and he said as much himself.

And it's not like the G-strings have world beaters at WR either. Rogers is clearly our best CB. He just needs to learn to catch. He should break out a juggs machine at practice every day.

[VetSkinsFan]

One point I see people miss...


Yes, Hall could have made a TD saving tackle, but I haven't seen ANYONE comment on Smoot being the corner in coverage there. He's JUST as guilty as Hall for that TD.

True. But unlike Hall, Smoot isn't one of the highest paid corners in the NFL. Even on the int, Hall was beat on the play and it took a great play from Landry to break up the pass. Hall was horrible on Sunday and he said as much himself.

Never said that Hall played good, but if we're pointing fingers, I just wanted to make sure we assess ALL the damage, not just the knee-jerk guy. And I don't have it recorded, but that coulda been a zone D.

[SkinsJock]

I am not worried about our D - I think the guys were actually trying too hard - I have a lot of faith in both Hall and Landry and think that both will prove to be a very important part of our defense this season - I hope everyone else on the D has seasons as good as these 2 are going to have as a result of what will happen with the front 7

I feel that this defense is going to be more effective than last year's defense who were statistically #4 - our defense last year was over-rated in my opinion - this year's defense is going to be better on the field, where it counts, not according to some statistical formula - we were the #4 defense overall but we were terrible in a lot of the defensive rankings that mean we got the ball back with great field position OR we got a bunch of defensive turnovers

the defense this year is going to be our saving grace

[so.il.SKINSFAN]

1.) Our "D" doesn't need to be trying to put together a highlight reel, just tackle the way you're supposed to tackle and move on to the next play. I threw up in my mouth a lil bit watching our corners and safteys miss tackle after tackle Sunday.


2.) Our recievers need to be more physical (especially getting off the line of scrimmage). They were manhandled Sunday.


3.)I like Zorn, but how about we become efficient at running "normal" plays before we start trying "trick" plays.


Those were my biggest gripes from week 1...that being said I still believe this team goes 11-5 this year. We all know the talent is there, they just need to pull it all together and start putting teams away.

[LORD GIBBS]

1.) Our "D" doesn't need to be trying to put together a highlight reel, just tackle the way you're supposed to tackle and move on to the next play. I threw up in my mouth a lil bit watching our corners and safteys miss tackle after tackle Sunday.


2.) Our recievers need to be more physical (especially getting off the line of scrimmage). They were manhandled Sunday.


3.)I like Zorn, but how about we become efficient at running "normal" plays before we start trying "trick" plays.


Those were my biggest gripes from week 1...that being said I still believe this team goes 11-5 this year. We all know the talent is there, they just need to pull it all together and start putting teams away.

I just think if we added a little surprise to the offence,instead of run,run,pass run,run,pass we would be better

[SkinsJock]

As has been mentioned a number of times - we played our toughest game of the season - hopefully we will learn from the mistakes - we are not as bad as we looked and we have some games coming up that will give us an opportunity to show the progress that has been made from both last year and from that game

This team should still finish 8-8 or 9-7 which is about where most of us thought they would finish, before we even played the game - I would love a 10-6 or 11-5 season but we are not really that good a team .... yet

It is only 1 game and the only bad thing that can happen is if we do not learn from the mistakes we made on the field and on the sidelines

HAIL

[Irn-Bru]

And it's not like the G-strings have world beaters at WR either. Rogers is clearly our best CB. He just needs to learn to catch. He should break out a juggs machine at practice every day.

I agree, but it may be time to assume that Rogers' ability to hang on to balls will not improve. How many years has this been his primary weakness?

The silver lining, of course, is that he won't be able to command elite-corner money with his new contract, since he doesn't make those plays.

[CanesSkins26]

1.) Our "D" doesn't need to be trying to put together a highlight reel, just tackle the way you're supposed to tackle and move on to the next play. I threw up in my mouth a lil bit watching our corners and safteys miss tackle after tackle Sunday.


2.) Our recievers need to be more physical (especially getting off the line of scrimmage). They were manhandled Sunday.


3.)I like Zorn, but how about we become efficient at running "normal" plays before we start trying "trick" plays.


Those were my biggest gripes from week 1...that being said I still believe this team goes 11-5 this year. We all know the talent is there, they just need to pull it all together and start putting teams away.

I just think if we added a little surprise to the offence,instead of run,run,pass run,run,pass we would be better

There is no doubt that since taking over as head coach, Jim Zorn's play calling has overall been putrid. However, in the Giants game he did try to change things up. The play that JC fumbled on, for example, was a first down pass play. The problem though is that we don't have a qb that can competently run an NFL offense. I think that people on this board have gotten so used to poor qb play over the last 10 years that they don't see just how bad JC is. I mean we are talking about a 5th year player that looks like he should still be taking snaps at Auburn and not for the Redskins. Yet despite this, people continue to hold out hold out irrational hope that JC will somehow miraculously go from being a below average NFL qb to being a top 10 qb. It simply isn't going to happen.

[chiefhog44]

I truely can't seem to figure out what qualifies you to suggest that...especially when most talk show hosts tonight do not site that as a problem at all in today's game. What do you know that experts (who are at the game) are failing to see?

On the Comcast postgame show they questioned Zorn's play calling and I remember Aikman making a few comments about it during the game too.

Can't speak for Comcast, but the national broadcast, Aikman didn't say a thing. Not that any of that matters to what we were discussing. My main point is that I can't figure out why some people call out the playcalling without having too much knowledge on the subject.

[Deadskins]

I truely can't seem to figure out what qualifies you to suggest that...especially when most talk show hosts tonight do not site that as a problem at all in today's game. What do you know that experts (who are at the game) are failing to see?

On the Comcast postgame show they questioned Zorn's play calling and I remember Aikman making a few comments about it during the game too.

Can't speak for Comcast, but the national broadcast, Aikman didn't say a thing. Not that any of that matters to what we were discussing. My main point is that I can't figure out why some people call out the playcalling without having too much knowledge on the subject.

Because if know-nothings can predict the next play, imagine what NFL defensive coordinators can do.

[chiefhog44]

The skins really had no chance on offense. The giants only had to rush 4 while keeping the secondary back. That front 4 was enough by itself to put some pressure on Campbell. The reason ey and El had big games is because the middle was the only thing that was open, and even that wasn't too open.

The middle was open enough that Zorn should've stuck with it. The short passing game was working, at least more than the run game was.

Should of stuck with it??? Dude, look at the stats for cooley and ARE. Come on

[chiefhog44]

I truely can't seem to figure out what qualifies you to suggest that...especially when most talk show hosts tonight do not site that as a problem at all in today's game. What do you know that experts (who are at the game) are failing to see?

On the Comcast postgame show they questioned Zorn's play calling and I remember Aikman making a few comments about it during the game too.

Can't speak for Comcast, but the national broadcast, Aikman didn't say a thing. Not that any of that matters to what we were discussing. My main point is that I can't figure out why some people call out the playcalling without having too much knowledge on the subject.

Because if know-nothings can predict the next play, imagine what NFL defensive coordinators can do.

I guess that's where I'm an idiot and all of you should be coaching in the NFL. I can't guess the next play all the time.