Rabach

[SnyderSucks]

I saw an article about the best players likely to be free agents next offseason. Rabach was on the list. I did not realize he is in the last year of his contract. That adds to Campbell and Rogers as starters in the last year of their contracts. (Please, no discussion of Campbells future.) In addition to those three, the team will need a starting right guard on the O-line, and quite possibly a third starter depending on performance/injury. I know that under the current CBA the redskins will be able to tag or restrict Rogers and Campbell, but if they do it will be big money. I don't see Rogers signing for substantially less than Hall, and if he doesn't go to the pro bowl, Washington won't give him that.

That's before they play the season and other needs pop up that aren't obvious now. Perhaps Fletcher shows some age, or there is a serious injury to someone, knock on wood. If they let everyone go obviously depends on performance, but they could easily be looking at replacing 5 starters, perhaps more. That's a lot.

At RT, they have groomed Rinehart, so hopefully he could step in and they draft/sign a backup.

At center, they have no backup, so they'll either spend a relatively high (second?) draft pick here or spend big dollars on Rabach or a FA center.

At CB, they've drafted a couple of players who may or may not develop. I think the chances of Rogers walking are high, so they either spend a first round pick here or a big contract.

On the Oline, easily they could decide they need to spend another high pick here based on performance of Rinehart, Heyer, and the age of Samuels. If they need a starter a tackle, again at least a second round pick. A first if they need a left tackle.

With Campbell, he either gets a big contract or they draft a first round QB. The first round QB could eat up several other draft picks as well if they need to move up.

We could be looking at the biggest spending spree in history if they decide to replace Campbell. A high pick QB could easily get a $30 million bonus before he plays a down. If they do that, then they won't get any other sure starters out of the draft due to giving up picks to move up. That means a starting corner, starting center, and possibly a starting guard and tackle.

If they keep campbell, they'll spend a ton of money on him, but could get 2 to three starters out of the draft for a lot less than on the FA market. They could get a replacement for Rogers in the first and a replacement for Rabach in the second, while starting Rinehart and Heyer, or signing a free agent.

Again, not trying to start another Campbell discussion - I don't want to be wrongly accused of comparing Cambell and Brady again - but either way with Campbell, they are looking at a big offseason next year. This year felt big with Haynesworth, Hall and Orakpo, but they could easily be looking at five or six players like that, not three, next year.

[Deadskins]

We drafted Barnes this season to be the CB of the future. Reinhart is a guard, not a tackle. And we picked up a young backup from Maryland at center. Dockery is fairly young, so that leaves Samuels as the only aging lineman who we don't really have a replacement for.

[SnyderSucks]

We drafted Barnes this season to be the CB of the future. Reinhart is a guard, not a tackle. And we picked up a young backup from Maryland at center. Dockery is fairly young, so that leaves Samuels as the only aging lineman who we don't really have a replacement for.

Ooops, meant RG. Hopefully Rinehart is ready, I agree. I don't think they'll to rely on the guy from Maryland unless he gets extensive playing time this season. Even if Rinehart is ready, I see them needing two starters on the Oline- Center and Tackle. The lack of depth at tackle currently scares me more than any other situation on the team. What happens if Samuels get hurt? They essentially don't have a quality backup for either Samuels, Heyer, or Rabach at this point. I really don't understand why they haven't shown any interest in either Runyun or the guy from Cincinnati coming off injury. A major injury to Samuels would effectively hobble the entire offense, Cambell and Zorn are gone, and next year is another rebuild.

As far as I can tell, Barnes isn't yet pushing either Smoot or Tryon, so I can't see him as a starter next year. Smoot is almost certainly gone after this season, and I really see these guys as replacements for him, maybe even this season. I remember reading that Barnes might have been a first round pick if he hadn't gotten the injury, so perhaps he is the replacement for Rogers.

I agree that they appear to be making a more concerted effort to add depth through the draft. Hopefully some of the guys develop.

[KazooSkinsFan]

We drafted Barnes this season to be the CB of the future. Reinhart is a guard, not a tackle. And we picked up a young backup from Maryland at center. Dockery is fairly young, so that leaves Samuels as the only aging lineman who we don't really have a replacement for.

Ooops, meant RG.

I thought is was an obvious mistype on the RT, you even said "the team will need a starting right guard on the O-line." I thought it was so obvious what you meant I read it right originally and had to go back for the comment and say oh yeah, you mis-typed.

Anyway, none of the people listed scare me as leaving. JC's been discussed to death. As for the others, I don't see why Rogers would want to leave, but if he wants to then good luck to him. Rabach I like but he is getting older, his leaving doesn't scare me. This actually seems like a pretty good year and everyone is either signable and/or replacable.

[SnyderSucks]

We drafted Barnes this season to be the CB of the future. Reinhart is a guard, not a tackle. And we picked up a young backup from Maryland at center. Dockery is fairly young, so that leaves Samuels as the only aging lineman who we don't really have a replacement for.

Ooops, meant RG.

I thought is was an obvious mistype on the RT, you even said "the team will need a starting right guard on the O-line." I thought it was so obvious what you meant I read it right originally and had to go back for the comment and say oh yeah, you mis-typed.

Anyway, none of the people listed scare me as leaving. JC's been discussed to death. As for the others, I don't see why Rogers would want to leave, but if he wants to then good luck to him. Rabach I like but he is getting older, his leaving doesn't scare me. This actually seems like a pretty good year and everyone is either signable and/or replacable.

I agree - I like Rabach, but it's not like he irreplaceable or getting younger.

I think Rogers will want Halls contract. He was pretty upset when they brought in Hall last season and he wasn't starting. If they don't give it to him, I think he would refuse to resign under a restricted tender.

The scary thing to me isn't that the players, aside from Samuels, are elite players, but that there are a lot of them to replace and we haven't even gotten to the season yet. At least one or two additional problem areas are likely to come up during the season - if none do, we'll be in for a fantastic season!

[KazooSkinsFan]

I think Rogers will want Halls contract. He was pretty upset when they brought in Hall last season and he wasn't starting. If they don't give it to him, I think he would refuse to resign under a restricted tender

Rogers is a good cover corner. If he learns to catch the football then he will get a Hall contract and if he doesn't I don't care that much if he leaves. The INT isn't just the INT for a corner, it's how you keep the O honest. When you can't catch, they can try to thread the needle. If you can they won't try for that and you get a lot more incompletions too. Hall can cover and he can catch. Rogers looks like he's trying to catch peas in the air using chopsticks.

The scary thing to me isn't that the players, aside from Samuels, are elite players, but that there are a lot of them to replace and we haven't even gotten to the season yet. At least one or two additional problem areas are likely to come up during the season - if none do, we'll be in for a fantastic season!

Well, but remember re-signing isn't all or nothing. We only need to replace the portion of them that don't sign.

[SnyderSucks]

The scary thing to me isn't that the players, aside from Samuels, are elite players, but that there are a lot of them to replace and we haven't even gotten to the season yet. At least one or two additional problem areas are likely to come up during the season - if none do, we'll be in for a fantastic season!

Well, but remember re-signing isn't all or nothing. We only need to replace the portion of them that don't sign.[/quote]

Re-sign our own players or sign new ones - big money either way. The team doesn't have an encouraging track record for re-signing players. One way or another, a QB is likely to get $30 million or more. Add in signing several other returning or new free agents and even Snyder has a dollar limit, right? Could he spend $200 million in salaries and bonuses next year? He already has $115 in contracts for next year, although that does include a few contracts like Smoots that likely won't be on the team.

[VetSkinsFan]

Rogers is a good corner besides the hands. I would like to keep him. He can test FA, but I don't think he'll get THAT much.

Why would Smoot leave? He's experienced and he's doing some time at safety as well. Blache likes versatile players.

I wouldn't be upset if Rabach stays a few years longer. 1/2 (or more) of this line has been together for a few years now; that cohesion is nice. I aso recall hearing about Rhinehart being able to play all three interior positions last year, but not too much about that this year.

I don't know what to say about the QB position. Regardless of personal opinion, we're going to wait it out and see what JC has this year, at least for the first part(as previously stated, I'm not trying to instigate another JC discussion, just my view on what's currently happening).

I know we always skirt the cap, and I don't know how we're going to do it next year if we have any major issues.

[SnyderSucks]

Rogers is a good corner besides the hands. I would like to keep him. He can test FA, but I don't think he'll get THAT much.

Why would Smoot leave? He's experienced and he's doing some time at safety as well. Blache likes versatile players.

I wouldn't be upset if Rabach stays a few years longer. 1/2 (or more) of this line has been together for a few years now; that cohesion is nice. I aso recall hearing about Rhinehart being able to play all three interior positions last year, but not too much about that this year.

I don't know what to say about the QB position. Regardless of personal opinion, we're going to wait it out and see what JC has this year, at least for the first part(as previously stated, I'm not trying to instigate another JC discussion, just my view on what's currently happening).

I know we always skirt the cap, and I don't know how we're going to do it next year if we have any major issues.

Under the current CBA, there is no cap next year. The only way there will be a cap is if they do an extension. I think they'll cut Smoot because his production declined, he makes a lot of money, and they've got Tryon and Barnes. He was definitely a liability in coverage last year. I don't think he's big enough to move to safety in anything more than emergency backup use. Remember Brandon Jacobs last year on Landry? Smoot would have been dead.

[VetSkinsFan]

I don't think it will go uncapped; I think it will be extended.

Smoot's still better than the guys behind him. Tryon, Barnes, and Westbrook haven't proven anything yet, Smoot has. Maybe redoing his contract? Snyder's famous for that.

And Smoot migth have taken a better approach to that tackle. Landry had been out most of training camp and still had to knock the rust off by the season opener. I also saw an interview that said Landry's hamstring was bothering him the whole 1st 1/2 of the season.

[SkinsFreak]

Just a couple of thought to add...

Edwin Williams is the center out of Maryland. I think he's a decent player. I'm an alum and I've watched the Terps o-line perform at a high level for a couple of years. Williams anchored that line and I think the coaches like him. I'm not sure if he's a lock, but he could be groomed for the future. Parcells, for example, always talks about how center is the one position that you can sign undrafted centers that can become very good, long term players. The team has also recently commented on Will Montgomery and have said he's progressed very well and has impressed this offseason. Montgomery can play both center and guard.

Blache said today that Rogers played at times last year as good as any corner in the league. I think Rogers is a very good corner, and like you guys have said, if he could hold on to a few more, he could be dominant in this league. He's a keeper, imo. Smoot's time is limited. Barnes has a lot of potential, imo, and I believe he's going to be here for a while. Still not sold on Tryon, but Blache seems to think he still has a chance. At this point, I'm not overly concerned about our CB situation.



But here's one for you... Denver lost Chris Simms for a month, or possibly longer, with a high ankle sprain. Orton is the starter, and the only other QB on the roster besides Simms is rookie Tom Brandstater who they drafted out of Fresno State in the sixth round. So they only have two healthy QB's right now and one is a long-shot rookie. Since Collins is such a stud and a quality starting caliber QB with tons of experience, according to some around here, maybe we could trade Collins, our quality starting caliber QB, to Denver for their 2010 1st round draft pick. And since Denver is going to suck this year, it will be a very high draft pick that we could use to draft Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy. Sounds good, eh? (please note... that was meant as a joke.)

[VetSkinsFan]

But here's one for you... Denver lost Chris Simms for a month, or possibly longer, with a high ankle sprain. Orton is the starter, and the only other QB on the roster besides Simms is rookie Tom Brandstater who they drafted out of Fresno State in the sixth round. So they only have two healthy QB's right now and one is a long-shot rookie. Since Collins is such a stud and a quality starting caliber QB with tons of experience, according to some around here, maybe we could trade Collins, our quality starting caliber QB, to Denver for their 2010 1st round draft pick. And since Denver is going to suck this year, it will be a very high draft pick that we could use to draft Sam Bradford or Colt McCoy. Sounds good, eh? (please note... that was meant as a joke.)

Throw in the 2nd rounder and I'm sold!!!!

[KazooSkinsFan]

The team doesn't have an encouraging track record for re-signing players

He doesn't? Not sure what you're talking about. Sure we lose players, but everyone does. We keep lots of them too.

One way or another, a QB is likely to get $30 million or more

More likely for us is we won't be able to get anyone we need to pay that. It's tough to get a quality starter, which is why JC has had so much rope. I'd rather have to figure out how to squeeze the salary in of a decent starter then to need to continue to figure out how to live without one.

Add in signing several other returning or new free agents and even Snyder has a dollar limit, right? Could he spend $200 million in salaries and bonuses next year? He already has $115 in contracts for next year, although that does include a few contracts like Smoots that likely won't be on the team.

I don't think we're really talking that kind of money to sign/replace the guys you're talking about.

[PulpExposure]

I don't think the Skins will try another draft pick QB next year, unless Zorn either gets (1) a long term extension; or (2) fired and a new coach is hired.

If Zorn is here, and Campbell is not the answer (or is, but leaves anyways), they'll probably go with a vet.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I don't think the Skins will try another draft pick QB next year, unless Zorn either gets (1) a long term extension; or (2) fired and a new coach is hired.

If Zorn is here, and Campbell is not the answer (or is, but leaves anyways), they'll probably go with a vet.

I don't disagree with your reasoning, but the decision to "go with a vet" and finding one who doesn't suck to be your starter in the NFL are entirely different things. That would be unless we can pry Grossman away.

[CanesSkins26]

I don't think the Skins will try another draft pick QB next year, unless Zorn either gets (1) a long term extension; or (2) fired and a new coach is hired.

If Zorn is here, and Campbell is not the answer (or is, but leaves anyways), they'll probably go with a vet.

It's a nice idea but where exactly do you propose getting that vet from? It's slim picking as far as free agent qb's are concerned.

[Deadskins]

Brett Favre should be available.

[PRINCE-ALBERT-92]

why spend $30 mill guarenteed on a 1st rd QB when we have a Brennan or Daniel.. Spend that money on someone better than maybe the next Heath Shuler like Julius Peppers

[FanofallthatisGibbs]

The original post was missing on key ingredient - FREE AGENCY

Yes, we may lose five starters, but this organization does not build through the draft as the poster suggests, but rather through acquisition of veteran players who can supposedly come in and play at a high level immediately.

As we all know, it's a boom and bust kind of way to structure your team, but that's the way Vinny and Co. work.

[SkinsJock]

The original post was missing on key ingredient - FREE AGENCY
Yes, we may lose five starters, but this organization does not build through the draft as the poster suggests, but rather through acquisition of veteran players who can supposedly come in and play at a high level immediately.
As we all know, it's a boom and bust kind of way to structure your team, but that's the way Vinny and Co. work.

As many of you know I am not a fan of what the guys in charge here have done but I will give credit to the fact that they seem to have learned the lessons from the past regarding how to build a team, or, I should say, they seem to now realize that what they did was never going to work

I think that we will continue to hold onto our draft picks and add a free agent when someone comes along that can augment what we already have. As much as I think these guys have hurt our team by not having much of a clue about an NFL team they have gotten better - my only feeling about that is that we would be better off without Cerrato but that is just me beating my little drum again


It is still way to early to hypothesize about what we are going to need next year because there are just too many variables - the best thing to happen this year is for the team to do well and keep the current staff - the players we can adapt to but if we have a new coach that will involve a whole different team and re-building again

[SkinsJock]

I will say that a good QB in the NFL is going to make an awful lot of money - the giants and chargers have just raised the ante and wait until we see what the patriots are going to give Brady

these NFL salaries and especially the rookie contracts with guaranteed money for a player who has never even played in the NFL, are crazy

[wooly34]

I saw an article about the best players likely to be free agents next offseason. Rabach was on the list. I did not realize he is in the last year of his contract. That adds to Campbell and Rogers as starters in the last year of their contracts. (Please, no discussion of Campbells future.) In addition to those three, the team will need a starting right guard on the O-line, and quite possibly a third starter depending on performance/injury. I know that under the current CBA the redskins will be able to tag or restrict Rogers and Campbell, but if they do it will be big money. I don't see Rogers signing for substantially less than Hall, and if he doesn't go to the pro bowl, Washington won't give him that.

That's before they play the season and other needs pop up that aren't obvious now. Perhaps Fletcher shows some age, or there is a serious injury to someone, knock on wood. If they let everyone go obviously depends on performance, but they could easily be looking at replacing 5 starters, perhaps more. That's a lot.

At RT, they have groomed Rinehart, so hopefully he could step in and they draft/sign a backup.

At center, they have no backup, so they'll either spend a relatively high (second?) draft pick here or spend big dollars on Rabach or a FA center.

At CB, they've drafted a couple of players who may or may not develop. I think the chances of Rogers walking are high, so they either spend a first round pick here or a big contract.

On the Oline, easily they could decide they need to spend another high pick here based on performance of Rinehart, Heyer, and the age of Samuels. If they need a starter a tackle, again at least a second round pick. A first if they need a left tackle.

With Campbell, he either gets a big contract or they draft a first round QB. The first round QB could eat up several other draft picks as well if they need to move up.

We could be looking at the biggest spending spree in history if they decide to replace Campbell. A high pick QB could easily get a $30 million bonus before he plays a down. If they do that, then they won't get any other sure starters out of the draft due to giving up picks to move up. That means a starting corner, starting center, and possibly a starting guard and tackle.

If they keep campbell, they'll spend a ton of money on him, but could get 2 to three starters out of the draft for a lot less than on the FA market. They could get a replacement for Rogers in the first and a replacement for Rabach in the second, while starting Rinehart and Heyer, or signing a free agent.

Again, not trying to start another Campbell discussion - I don't want to be wrongly accused of comparing Cambell and Brady again - but either way with Campbell, they are looking at a big offseason next year. This year felt big with Haynesworth, Hall and Orakpo, but they could easily be looking at five or six players like that, not three, next year.

IMO I think we need another center Rabach is penalized frequently, he killed many drives in the red zone last year. Furthermore, he is suppose to make line calls and part of the reason that the QB is pressured may fall on his shoulders. Although I know JZ wants JC tomake some adjustments in coverage ultimately it falls on the centers shoulder. A good center makes the entire line better i.e. Bostic, Birk, Webster, and others. I think we need to draft a center in round two or three if there is a center that warrants that pick.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Brett Favre should be available.

True. We just have to wait for him to retire and say he means it this time. Then we fly him up so he can meet with Danny and announce he's not coming back, but remaining retired. Then there will be rumors he changed his mind and is coming back. Then he can announce they aren't true, he's retiring. Then bam, two weeks into camp he's here!

[KazooSkinsFan]

I think we need to draft a center in round two or three if there is a center that warrants that pick.

You realize if we don't re-sign Rabach and follow this plan, we're probably going to have to sign another center to replace Rabach next year? It's extremely unlikely a 2nd or 3rd rounder would be ready to play much less lead the line his first year out of college.

[SnyderSucks]

The team doesn't have an encouraging track record for re-signing players

He doesn't? Not sure what you're talking about. Sure we lose players, but everyone does. We keep lots of them too.

One way or another, a QB is likely to get $30 million or more

More likely for us is we won't be able to get anyone we need to pay that. It's tough to get a quality starter, which is why JC has had so much rope. I'd rather have to figure out how to squeeze the salary in of a decent starter then to need to continue to figure out how to live without one.

Add in signing several other returning or new free agents and even Snyder has a dollar limit, right? Could he spend $200 million in salaries and bonuses next year? He already has $115 in contracts for next year, although that does include a few contracts like Smoots that likely won't be on the team.

I don't think we're really talking that kind of money to sign/replace the guys you're talking about.

Not wanting to restart the discussion about re-signing players, but since the Samuels/Arrington draft, only ey and Betts have resigned to above minimum deals.

I figured $30 million for the QB based on drafting one very high in the first round or resigning Campbell. That's the going rate for pro bowl QB and high first rounders. If Campbell isn't a pro bowler, highly unlikely they keep him. If Snyder has shown anything, it's that he wants a high profile top 5 type QB, and won't settle for much less, so he's not going to sign a journeyman QB that won't be substantially better than Campbell.

For the $200 million, I took $115, plus $30 million for a QB, that's $145. Give $15 million each to three other players, and fill out your roster and your at $200 easy. That's a huge number that maybe even Snyder would shy away from...