Third preseason game coming, final rehersal

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:40 pm

There's a storm brewing at the QB position. The fans know it. Zorn knows it because his job depends on Campbell's performance.

The third preseason game is coming up. Common wisdom says this is the final rehersal before the season starts, because most of the starters normally rest for the fourth and final game.

Considering what you have seen from JC, would you feel at ease with him starting under center once the season begins?

I'm not totally convinced about our current QB set-up. Everything rests on Campbell, because we have one ancient dude as backup and another one (either Chase or Colt) who has no experience.

I just can't see him handling all the pressure that will be thrust upon him.

Skinna Mob · Post by **Skinna Mob** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:02 pm

I strongly disagree with the assessment. Its not all on Campbell. Campbell's position is a very important position, but he is only 1 man on the TEAM. If everyone plays the part, the TEAM should be OK.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:15 pm

Washington's success is 100% based on each person doing their job. If Jason goes out there and does his job well, then he shouldn't hear anything from anyone. This fan base is as bad as Philly's. JC could get us to the superbowl and they still wouldn't be satisfied if he didn't win it for us.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:16 pm

Yes, I'm comfortable with Campbell starting this season.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:40 pm

Despite the sneaky title, isn't this like the fifth active thread on the same subject, if JC should start?

Regardless of if you are comfortable or not, he is going to be our starter and remain so barring injury through at least 10 games. I can't be "comfortable" with that like Irn-Bru, but I have no doubt it's the right choice despite those have decided career backups and rookie/second year message board idols are going to lead us to the promised land.

But hey, BRADY was a sixth rounder. If it has ever happened then that's all the proof required you can ignore reality and probability. :roll:

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:31 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Despite the sneaky title, isn't this like the fifth active thread on the same subject, if JC should start?

Regardless of if you are comfortable or not, he is going to be our starter and remain so barring injury through at least 10 games. I can't be "comfortable" with that like Irn-Bru, but I have no doubt it's the right choice despite those have decided career backups and rookie/second year message board idols are going to lead us to the promised land.

But hey, BRADY was a sixth rounder. If it has ever happened then that's all the proof required you can ignore reality and probability.

Well, I have my concerns that he's going to get it done. But in my view he deserves the chance after all of the work he and the organization have put into setting up this season.

So he's still got the benefit of the doubt with me, and I see him as the obvious and only choice, which is why I say I'm "comfortable."

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:33 pm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Regardless of if you are comfortable or not, he is going to be our starter and remain so barring injury through at least 10 games.

I don't think his leash is that long. It all dependes on how we start and where we are in the playoff hunt.

SnyderSucks · Post by **SnyderSucks** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:03 pm

Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Regardless of if you are comfortable or not, he is going to be our starter and remain so barring injury through at least 10 games.

I don't think his leash is that long. It all dependes on how we start and where we are in the playoff hunt.

With the way the schedule sets up, if the team doesn't have a very good record the first half of the season, they are all in big trouble. If Campbell is replaced for any reason other than injury at any point, it will mean that the season has already been lost and Snyder will be looking for both a new QB and new coach.

so.il.SKINSFAN · Post by **so.il.SKINSFAN** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:44 pm

I'm thinking his leash is 3-4 games..if he stinks it up then Zorn pulls him.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:48 am

SnyderSucks wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Regardless of if you are comfortable or not, he is going to be our starter and remain so barring injury through at least 10 games.

I don't think his leash is that long. It all dependes on how we start and where we are in the playoff hunt.

With the way the schedule sets up, if the team doesn't have a very good record the first half of the season, they are all in big trouble. If Campbell is replaced for any reason other than injury at any point, it will mean that the season has already been lost and Snyder will be looking for both a new QB and new coach.

I still don't believe that JC and Zorn are hardlinked positively. Zorn has a lot more responsibility than just the QB. If it's decided that the doubters are correct, how is that going to absolutely decide if the coach should be fired? The HC job is a lot more complicated than that.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:11 am

Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Regardless of if you are comfortable or not, he is going to be our starter and remain so barring injury through at least 10 games.

I don't think his leash is that long. It all dependes on how we start and where we are in the playoff hunt.

His "leash" isn't determined in a vacuum. He needs to be worse then the alternatives, which are pretty non-existant. A career backup in the wrong system. Long shot 6th or undrafted. The waiver wire. Trade for a quality QB during the season who doesn't know our team or system. With those choices, his leash is as long as we're remotely alive.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:34 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Despite the sneaky title, isn't this like the fifth active thread on the same subject, if JC should start?

Regardless of if you are comfortable or not, he is going to be our starter and remain so barring injury through at least 10 games. I can't be "comfortable" with that like Irn-Bru, but I have no doubt it's the right choice despite those have decided career backups and rookie/second year message board idols are going to lead us to the promised land.

But hey, BRADY was a sixth rounder. If it has ever happened then that's all the proof required you can ignore reality and probability.

Yes, very sneaky.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:35 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:I still don't believe that JC and Zorn are hardlinked positively. Zorn has a lot more responsibility than just the QB. If it's decided that the doubters are correct, how is that going to absolutely decide if the coach should be fired? The HC job is a lot more complicated than that.

I agree with you but let's put it this way - if Campbell shows that he's a good but not very good QB and the team looks good because of the great defense and the great field position given to the offense all season long AND we end up 8-8 or 9-7 and not in the playoffs :shock:

I think that we will have a new coach - Campbell may be here to get us through the time it takes to get someone ready to take over, but, even if Zorn does a good job, in my opinion, he will not.

you have to remember that this team is not managed by NFL guys that might evaluate the HC's performance a little differently - these guys will most likely bring in the "best available" and not the coach (or the player) who is best for the team :twisted:

I really like Zorn - he's not shown everyone that he's a very good HC yet but I think that he's got a lot of potential and I hope things work well for him this year. I just happen to think that he will not be here if this team does not do well this year no matter how good a job of being the HC he does. Unfortunately that means that Campbell and the offense are tied to his future here.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:40 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Despite the sneaky title, isn't this like the fifth active thread on the same subject - "if JC should start"?

at least

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:59 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:his leash is as long as we're remotely alive.

I don't agree with that. I think his leash is shorter. I think Zorn will want to get started on the future before this season is a total loss. Of course, if JC tears it up, the point is moot.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:17 am

Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:his leash is as long as we're remotely alive.

I think Zorn will want to get started on the future before this season is a total loss

Because...

It makes no sense. We acquired the hundred million dollar man to address our biggest weakness in the #4 D in the NFL only to write off the season while it's still alive to think of the future? Our O-Line looks good (so far), our young WRs look like they're ready to step up, our D could be spectacular and we are only looking for JC to be decent. But we'll throw it all away? You just make the assertion with no support because there is none.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:29 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:his leash is as long as we're remotely alive.

I think Zorn will want to get started on the future before this season is a total loss

Because...

It makes no sense. We acquired the hundred million dollar man to address our biggest weakness in the #4 D in the NFL only to write off the season while it's still alive to think of the future? Our O-Line looks good (so far), our young WRs look like they're ready to step up, our D could be spectacular and we are only looking for JC to be decent. But we'll throw it all away? You just make the assertion with no support because there is none.

If he has the chance to win now and he feels JC is not cutting it, even if we are still mathematically alive, he may want to make the switch, especially if we are still fairly early in the season.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:31 am

Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:his leash is as long as we're remotely alive.

I think Zorn will want to get started on the future before this season is a total loss

Because...

It makes no sense. We acquired the hundred million dollar man to address our biggest weakness in the #4 D in the NFL only to write off the season while it's still alive to think of the future? Our O-Line looks good (so far), our young WRs look like they're ready to step up, our D could be spectacular and we are only looking for JC to be decent. But we'll throw it all away? You just make the assertion with no support because there is none.

If he has the chance to win now and he feels JC is not cutting it, even if we are still mathematically alive, he may want to make the switch, especially if we are still fairly early in the season.

Still, all your saying is sit JC. You're offering no solution.

As I said:

Kaz wrote:His "leash" isn't determined in a vacuum

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:35 am

I get it - I think what Kazoo is looking at is that Campbell not doing "well" is probably still the better chance for success than the alternative :cry:

well at least for a while :roll:

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:37 am

SkinsJock wrote:I get it - I think what Kazoo is looking at is that Campbell not doing "well" is probably still the better chance for success than the alternative
well at least for a while

I understand what he's saying, but sometimes, as a coach, you just have to make a change to try and generate a spark. And it doesn't have to be after the season is over.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:47 am

All you guys have made interesting points.

But just to get on track here, this upcomming game is easily the most important one of the entire preseason, because coaches will rarely risk injury in the final and fourth game.

I'm thinking that Campbell has to be real crisp to win at least a four game margin of perfomance once the season starts.

If he has a terrible third preseason game and continues that type of production by game four of the season, I think Zorn yanks him.

As someone said just of a few post before, maybe Zorn is thinking that his future need not be hardwired to the performance of the QB, at least not when he is performing at the same level he finished last year--which is quite terrible.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:53 am

Deadskins wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I get it - I think what Kazoo is looking at is that Campbell not doing "well" is probably still the better chance for success than the alternative
well at least for a while

I understand what he's saying, but sometimes, as a coach, you just have to make a change to try and generate a spark. And it doesn't have to be after the season is over.

You don't understand what I'm saying other then only a little. I'm saying that our season isn't going to be made based on our current team by the O and every move after JC is pure desperation. Again you offer no solutions other then removing JC and letting the ball roll around the backfield.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:02 am

KazooSkinsFan wrote:
Deadskins wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I get it - I think what Kazoo is looking at is that Campbell not doing "well" is probably still the better chance for success than the alternative
well at least for a while

I understand what he's saying, but sometimes, as a coach, you just have to make a change to try and generate a spark. And it doesn't have to be after the season is over.

You don't understand what I'm saying other then only a little. I'm saying that our season isn't going to be made based on our current team by the O and every move after JC is pure desperation. Again you offer no solutions other then removing JC and letting the ball role around the backfield.

Since the current team's season outcome isn't based on the O, then every move after JC, necessarily, can't be pure desperation. And my solution is going to Collins, or even whichever young gun we keep as #3, to give him real game experience for the future.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:22 am

I say we give JC at least this game in the pre-season before we form the lynch mob. I mean, that is the lollipop clubbish thing to do, anyway...

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:31 am

El Mexican wrote:.... this upcomming game is easily the most important one of the entire preseason, because coaches will rarely risk injury in the final and fourth game. I'm thinking that Campbell has to be real crisp to win at least a four game margin of perfomance once the season starts. If he has a terrible third preseason game and continues that type of production by game four of the season, I think Zorn yanks him.
As someone said just of a few post before, maybe Zorn is thinking that his future need not be hardwired to the performance of the QB, at least not when he is performing at the same level he finished last year--which is quite terrible.

I think that all of the QBs are going to continue to be evaluated and assessed - I would be surprised if anyone is going to be allowed to not be productive for any period of time in the next 2 games - that being said I think that Zorn and his coaches have seen enough of all 4 in practice to have a sense of what they can bring to the table

BUT - we have an interesting decision coming up on who to keep :roll:

as far as the season is concerned I just do not see Zorn getting away from Campbell unless he really stinks the job up and as bad as he has been (last year) I think that Campbell gives this team much more of a chance than the others - we just do not have a very good QB and are hoping that Campbell can be effective given an improved offensive line, better receiving from the wideouts and hopefully better field position and more possession time from a great defense [-o<