Is this JC's last year as a Redskin?

[SkinsFreak]

Like I said we agree to disagree...please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say...alot of this post is directed at things other people said.
I simply stated that as a coach or player it is very hard to similate game conditions...if you disagree so be it...I don't need Zorn or anyone else's opinion to come to that conclusuion. I wasn't calling you out...just saying that if you did play or coaoch I think you would agree nothing compare to a game. It never has for me as a player or as a coach...

I apologize... I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, I wasn't trying to do that. I was merely expanding my point. I should have clarified that my additional comments expanding my points weren't directed specifically at you.

You said that "as a coach or player it is very hard to simulate game conditions." All I'm saying is that as a fan who's only seen two series and a handful of plays from JC thus far this year, it's rather difficult to draw any conclusions from one preseason game. Therefore, to gain some sort of legitimate perspective at this point, I can only turn to the person with the most insight of the situation... insight that stems from firsthand knowledge. Insight that is in contradiction to what some are alleging around here. For me, the only credible insight at this point would lie with Coach Zorn.

Against the Ravens last Thursday, Campbell played two offensive series and completed 3-of-6 passes for 38 yards. He converted three first downs, but he was not able to guide the offense across midfield on either drive.

Zorn said he was impressed with Campbell’s decision-making in his limited action against the Ravens.

Zorn pointed to the game’s first play when Campbell looked off the first receiver and ended up throwing a short pass to Ladell Betts in the flat. Betts turned it into a 12-yard gain.

“Jason looked at his first progression and ended up throwing to his fourth progression on the route for a first down,” Zorn said. “That tells me a lot--how far Jason has come along.

“The rest of the game, he was very solid the way he controlled the offense and the line of scrimmage and the offense. He played with a lot of confidence.”

And that's what I'm talking about. How many folks around here knew Betts was the forth option on that play and that JC had properly gone through his progressions? I didn't know that... did you? My point is, Zorn knows this, it's his offense... he's the QB coach, he knows what JC is doing right and what he's doing wrong. That's why I tend to listen to the coaches and not put much stock into what some disgruntled fans have to say. It's nothing personal, I just give more credence to the coach.

And for the record, I'll just say this right now. I much as I want both Campbell and Zorn to succeed, I absolutely believe both are on the hot seat. If Zorn can't get his offense and play calling to put up points, and if Campbell can't find his game this year, I won't be opposed to going after Sam Bradford and Mike Shanahan for 2010.

[Deadskins]

Like I said we agree to disagree...please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say...alot of this post is directed at things other people said.
I simply stated that as a coach or player it is very hard to similate game conditions...if you disagree so be it...I don't need Zorn or anyone else's opinion to come to that conclusuion. I wasn't calling you out...just saying that if you did play or coaoch I think you would agree nothing compare to a game. It never has for me as a player or as a coach...

I apologize... I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, I wasn't trying to do that. I was merely expanding my point. I should have clarified that my additional comments expanding my points weren't directed specifically at you.

You said that "as a coach or player it is very hard to simulate game conditions." All I'm saying is that as a fan who's only seen two series and a handful of plays from JC thus far this year, it's rather difficult to draw any conclusions from one preseason game. Therefore, to gain some sort of legitimate perspective at this point, I can only turn to the person with the most insight of the situation... insight that stems from firsthand knowledge. Insight that is in contradiction to what some are alleging around here. For me, the only credible insight at this point would lie with Coach Zorn.

Against the Ravens last Thursday, Campbell played two offensive series and completed 3-of-6 passes for 38 yards. He converted three first downs, but he was not able to guide the offense across midfield on either drive.

Zorn said he was impressed with Campbell’s decision-making in his limited action against the Ravens.

Zorn pointed to the game’s first play when Campbell looked off the first receiver and ended up throwing a short pass to Ladell Betts in the flat. Betts turned it into a 12-yard gain.

“Jason looked at his first progression and ended up throwing to his fourth progression on the route for a first down,” Zorn said. “That tells me a lot--how far Jason has come along.

“The rest of the game, he was very solid the way he controlled the offense and the line of scrimmage and the offense. He played with a lot of confidence.”

And that's what I'm talking about. How many folks around here knew Betts was the forth option on that play and that JC had properly gone through his progressions? I didn't know that... did you? My point is, Zorn knows this, it's his offense... he's the QB coach, he knows what JC is doing right and what he's doing wrong. That's why I tend to listen to the coaches and not put much stock into what some disgruntled fans have to say. It's nothing personal, I just give more credence to the coach.

And for the record, I'll just say this right now. I much as I want both Campbell and Zorn to succeed, I absolutely believe both are on the hot seat. If Zorn can't get his offense and play calling to put up points, and if Campbell can't find his game this year, I won't be opposed to going after Sam Bradford and Mike Shanahan for 2010.

To be fair, going right to your check down after your first read was something JC did all of last season. Zorn didn't mention him going through the second and third reads.

[SkinsJock]

It looks like some are already getting ready to "apologise" for something that we really should have anticipated - say it ain't so

I want Zorn and Campbell here next year or we are really looking at a very long time in getting back to a respectable level and IF that should happen we really have to make sure that the lollipop club is front and foremost in supporting whatever it takes to remove Cerrato from anything to do with this team


we are a long way from drastic changes here but to even consider a new coach and QB is a bad sign IMHO

[SkinsFreak]

To be fair, going right to your check down after your first read was something JC did all of last season. Zorn didn't mention him going through the second and third reads.

I believe Zorn was implying that JC properly went through his progressions before the check-down to Betts, especially when the very next sentence is... “That tells me a lot--how far Jason has come along."

[SkinsFreak]

we are a long way from drastic changes here but to even consider a new coach and QB is a bad sign IMHO

<sigh> It was tongue-in-cheek, man. I thought the smiley would indicate that. I guess not.

[Champsturf]

To be fair, going right to your check down after your first read was something JC did all of last season. Zorn didn't mention him going through the second and third reads.

I believe Zorn was implying that JC properly went through his progressions before the check-down to Betts, especially when the very next sentence is... “That tells me a lot--how far Jason has come along."

So, now Zorn can read Jason's mind and knows that he went through ALL pregressions before dumping it off as usual. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

[VetSkinsFan]

To be fair, going right to your check down after your first read was something JC did all of last season. Zorn didn't mention him going through the second and third reads.

I believe Zorn was implying that JC properly went through his progressions before the check-down to Betts, especially when the very next sentence is... “That tells me a lot--how far Jason has come along."

So, now Zorn can read Jason's mind and knows that he went through ALL pregressions before dumping it off as usual. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

I'm sure Zorn has a better grasp on JC's progressions than the rest of us do since he's PERSONALLY mentoring him.

[DEHog]

Like I said we agree to disagree...please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say...alot of this post is directed at things other people said.
I simply stated that as a coach or player it is very hard to similate game conditions...if you disagree so be it...I don't need Zorn or anyone else's opinion to come to that conclusuion. I wasn't calling you out...just saying that if you did play or coaoch I think you would agree nothing compare to a game. It never has for me as a player or as a coach...

I apologize... I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, I wasn't trying to do that. I was merely expanding my point. I should have clarified that my additional comments expanding my points weren't directed specifically at you.

You said that "as a coach or player it is very hard to simulate game conditions." All I'm saying is that as a fan who's only seen two series and a handful of plays from JC thus far this year, it's rather difficult to draw any conclusions from one preseason game. Therefore, to gain some sort of legitimate perspective at this point, I can only turn to the person with the most insight of the situation... insight that stems from firsthand knowledge. Insight that is in contradiction to what some are alleging around here. For me, the only credible insight at this point would lie with Coach Zorn.

Against the Ravens last Thursday, Campbell played two offensive series and completed 3-of-6 passes for 38 yards. He converted three first downs, but he was not able to guide the offense across midfield on either drive.

Zorn said he was impressed with Campbell’s decision-making in his limited action against the Ravens.

Zorn pointed to the game’s first play when Campbell looked off the first receiver and ended up throwing a short pass to Ladell Betts in the flat. Betts turned it into a 12-yard gain.

“Jason looked at his first progression and ended up throwing to his fourth progression on the route for a first down,” Zorn said. “That tells me a lot--how far Jason has come along.

“The rest of the game, he was very solid the way he controlled the offense and the line of scrimmage and the offense. He played with a lot of confidence.”

And that's what I'm talking about. How many folks around here knew Betts was the forth option on that play and that JC had properly gone through his progressions? I didn't know that... did you? My point is, Zorn knows this, it's his offense... he's the QB coach, he knows what JC is doing right and what he's doing wrong. That's why I tend to listen to the coaches and not put much stock into what some disgruntled fans have to say. It's nothing personal, I just give more credence to the coach.

And for the record, I'll just say this right now. I much as I want both Campbell and Zorn to succeed, I absolutely believe both are on the hot seat. If Zorn can't get his offense and play calling to put up points, and if Campbell can't find his game this year, I won't be opposed to going after Sam Bradford and Mike Shanahan for 2010.

Agree with most of what you wrote...I didn't think I criticized his play anywhere?? My whole argument is (like you I want to see both to succeed) I'd like to see him play more.

Also remember Zorn called the the teams performance "soft"

[SkinsJock]

I certainly hope that Zorn knows what Campbell is doing and that Campbell knows what Zorn needs him to do to execute this offense - it is still early yet and I will be very happy for our team if all the things that have to happen here in order for our offense to become effective are evident when we get on the field against the giants

it really does not matter what happens here in these pre-season games just as long as this offense is able to be effective - what we saw offensively was not helpful because it did not include a lot of the players who are integral to this team's success on offense and also involved many players who will not be a part of this offense

[DEHog]

And for the record, I'll just say this right now. I much as I want both Campbell and Zorn to succeed, I absolutely believe both are on the hot seat. If Zorn can't get his offense and play calling to put up points, and if Campbell can't find his game this year, I won't be opposed to going after Sam Bradford and Mike Shanahan for 2010.

Do you actually condone firing yet another coach after only two years, or are you just putting it out there because you know it’s inevitable?

[SkinsFreak]

To be fair, going right to your check down after your first read was something JC did all of last season. Zorn didn't mention him going through the second and third reads.

I believe Zorn was implying that JC properly went through his progressions before the check-down to Betts, especially when the very next sentence is... “That tells me a lot--how far Jason has come along."

So, now Zorn can read Jason's mind and knows that he went through ALL pregressions before dumping it off as usual. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

Read minds? If you believe that is the only way for Zorn to know this, then I'll be more than happy as a fellow football fan to explain some aspects of the evolution of the game.

You see, in the NFL world today, they have cameras and use them to film and record the games. Perhaps you thought the sole purpose of those cameras was to show those games on your little television set at home... didn't you? Well... I'm happy to inform you that those cameras can do so much more!

They use those cameras to film the game and use other equipment to record the games. And here's another neat little nugget... they actually have multiple cameras all over the place that capture the action from multiple angles. It's really neat.

Now, you may be wondering... why do they need to record the action from multiple angles? Good question. Well, after the game is played, teams can take those tapes and review them in subsequent team meetings. They do this for the purposes of training, as they can use the "slow motion" feature and a coaches clicker to slow down the action to more accurately determine what happened on every play. Plays and movement happen very quickly and looking at every play in a football game, once, at real time speed -- like you do at home on your little television set -- is very difficult to assess things accurately. Slowing the tape down and looking at every play from multiple angles allows the players and coaches to see these plays very clearly.

In doing so, on a any particular play, the coaches can look at the QB's head and eye movement. This is extremely beneficial, as the coaches are able to determine if the QB looked the safety off, for example, or if the QB properly went through his progressions, as the coach specifically knows the progression, meaning which receiver was the primary target for a certain play and the order in which the receivers are numbered in the progression.

I hope that helps, and please keep in mind that I'm always willing to help my fellow Redskin brethren.

Yes, Champsturf, you may have noticed that was sarcasm. But if you want to respond to a quote from Zorn with a sarcastic, shallow and insulting comment such as "keep drinking the kool-aid" that's clearly directed at me, then that's the kind of response you can expect. I merely posted a quote from Campbell's coach in which he offers great insight into Campbell's progression of his understanding of this offense, which contradicts some of the comments around here, and all you can do is pop off with "mind reading" and "keep drinking the kool-aid." You're smarter than that, Champ, and comments like that are simply antagonistic.

[SkinsFreak]

And for the record, I'll just say this right now. I much as I want both Campbell and Zorn to succeed, I absolutely believe both are on the hot seat. If Zorn can't get his offense and play calling to put up points, and if Campbell can't find his game this year, I won't be opposed to going after Sam Bradford and Mike Shanahan for 2010.

Do you actually condone firing yet another coach after only two years, or are you just putting it out there because you know it’s inevitable?

It was tongue-in-cheek, DE, the same thing I told SJ.
Tongue-in-cheek is a term used to refer to humor in which a statement, or an entire fictional work, is not meant to be taken seriously, but its sarcasm is subtle.

[Champsturf]

To be fair, going right to your check down after your first read was something JC did all of last season. Zorn didn't mention him going through the second and third reads.

I believe Zorn was implying that JC properly went through his progressions before the check-down to Betts, especially when the very next sentence is... “That tells me a lot--how far Jason has come along."

So, now Zorn can read Jason's mind and knows that he went through ALL pregressions before dumping it off as usual. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

Read minds? If you believe that is the only way for Zorn to know this, then I'll be more than happy as a fellow football fan to explain some aspects of the evolution of the game.

You see, in the NFL world today, they have cameras and use them to film and record the games. Perhaps you thought the sole purpose of those cameras was to show those games on your little television set at home... didn't you? Well... I'm happy to inform you that those cameras can do so much more!

They use those cameras to film the game and use other equipment to record the games. And here's another neat little nugget... they actually have multiple cameras all over the place that capture the action from multiple angles. It's really neat.

Now, you may be wondering... why do they need to record the action from multiple angles? Good question. Well, after the game is played, teams can take those tapes and review them in subsequent team meetings. They do this for the purposes of training, as they can use the "slow motion" feature and a coaches clicker to slow down the action to more accurately determine what happened on every play. Plays and movement happen very quickly and looking at every play in a football game, once, at real time speed -- like you do at home on your little television set -- is very difficult to assess things accurately. Slowing the tape down and looking at every play from multiple angles allows the players and coaches to see these plays very clearly.

In doing so, on a any particular play, the coaches can look at the QB's head and eye movement. This is extremely beneficial, as the coaches are able to determine if the QB looked the safety off, for example, or if the QB properly went through his progressions, as the coach specifically knows the progression, meaning which receiver was the primary target for a certain play and the order in which the receivers are numbered in the progression.

I hope that helps, and please keep in mind that I'm always willing to help my fellow Redskin brethren.

Yes, Champsturf, you may have noticed that was sarcasm. But if you want to respond to a quote from Zorn with a sarcastic, shallow and insulting comment such as "keep drinking the kool-aid" that's clearly directed at me, then that's the kind of response you can expect. I merely posted a quote from Campbell's coach in which he offers great insight into Campbell's progression of his understanding of this offense, which contradicts some of the comments around here, and all you can do is pop off with "mind reading" and "keep drinking the kool-aid." You're smarter than that, Champ, and comments like that are simply antagonistic.

Let's see...I don't recall a link or date on your quote, so how do I know when if was made? Was it made in the presser following the game, or was it days later? Unfortunately, I assumed the it was the post-game presser. My bad if it was not. If it was though, I think it's BS.

I wasn't simply being antagonistic. I am tired of a lot of these fans that have blinders on. I just want to see a good on-field product. When Campbell got the nod a year and half or so ago, I was one of the ones pulling for him. I hated Brunell and knew he was NOT a long term solution. I thought Campbell had the goods. I hope that I'm wrong, but I no longer think he does. He has the physical tools, but just not the attitude. He also is waaaay too slow in reading defenses, from my vantage point in my recliner.

As far as all of your nifty little talk about cameras, save it for someone that is under the age of 5.

[1niksder]

Let's see...I don't recall a link or date on your quote, so how do I know when if was made? Was it made in the presser following the game, or was it days later? Unfortunately, I assumed the it was the post-game presser. My bad if it was not. If it was though, I think it's BS.

I wasn't simply being antagonistic. I am tired of a lot of these fans that have blinders on. I just want to see a good on-field product. When Campbell got the nod a year and half or so ago, I was one of the ones pulling for him. I hated Brunell and knew he was NOT a long term solution. I thought Campbell had the goods. I hope that I'm wrong, but I no longer think he does. He has the physical tools, but just not the attitude. He also is waaaay too slow in reading defenses, from my vantage point in my recliner.

As far as all of your nifty little talk about cameras, save it for someone that is under the age of 5.

SF forgot to mention that about 35% of those nifty little cameras are hooked up to other nifty little gadgets.

One of which breaks down the development of play from start to finish. That little gadget is connected to to a really cool whatchamacallit that prints the breakdowns of those sames frame by frame. Coaches and players can look at this prints almost right after they happen, which is usally the case after such things as picks. Considering it was a preseason game, it's a good chance Zorn had a look see well before the second quarter even started, and so did JC.

[Champsturf]

Let's see...I don't recall a link or date on your quote, so how do I know when if was made? Was it made in the presser following the game, or was it days later? Unfortunately, I assumed the it was the post-game presser. My bad if it was not. If it was though, I think it's BS.

I wasn't simply being antagonistic. I am tired of a lot of these fans that have blinders on. I just want to see a good on-field product. When Campbell got the nod a year and half or so ago, I was one of the ones pulling for him. I hated Brunell and knew he was NOT a long term solution. I thought Campbell had the goods. I hope that I'm wrong, but I no longer think he does. He has the physical tools, but just not the attitude. He also is waaaay too slow in reading defenses, from my vantage point in my recliner.

As far as all of your nifty little talk about cameras, save it for someone that is under the age of 5.

SF forgot to mention that about 35% of those nifty little cameras are hooked up to other nifty little gadgets.

One of which breaks down the development of play from start to finish. That little gadget is connected to to a really cool whatchamacallit that prints the breakdowns of those sames frame by frame. Coaches and players can look at this prints almost right after they happen, which is usally the case after such things as picks. Considering it was a preseason game, it's a good chance Zorn had a look see well before the second quarter even started, and so did JC.

Ok. So let's take my side for just a second...

Do you really think Zorn is going to come out and say that Campbell's reads still suck and that his decision making skills haven't gotten any better?

His (Zorn's) season is riding on Campbell. The off season attempts to better the position failed (not blaming anyone here). He HAS to show that he believes that Campbell can do it, whether or not he can.

[SkinsFreak]

Let's see...I don't recall a link or date on your quote, so how do I know when if was made? Was it made in the presser following the game, or was it days later? Unfortunately, I assumed the it was the post-game presser. My bad if it was not. If it was though, I think it's BS.

I wasn't simply being antagonistic. I am tired of a lot of these fans that have blinders on. I just want to see a good on-field product. When Campbell got the nod a year and half or so ago, I was one of the ones pulling for him. I hated Brunell and knew he was NOT a long term solution. I thought Campbell had the goods. I hope that I'm wrong, but I no longer think he does. He has the physical tools, but just not the attitude. He also is waaaay too slow in reading defenses, from my vantage point in my recliner.

Don't recall a link? Why don't you simply flip one page back and CLICK the link. Those comments from Zorn were made days after the game. But whatever. He was commenting on one particular play in that quote. But if you don't think Zorn knows how to examine film, break down tape or how to critique his QB based on the plays Zorn designs and calls... go right ahead. If you think Zorn is lying, have at it. Speaks volumes, though. Not many really care about your vantage point from your recliner... it's a long ways away.

I give Zorn the benefit of the doubt when he says Jason is progressing. If you don't buy it, that's your problem. But don't accuse others of wearing blinders when your vision can be questioned. To date, for this year, JC has made a total of 6 passes that we've seen. If you feel that's enough evidence to conclude that he's not made progress, that's your prerogative. I don't believe 6 passes is enough to conclude anything, therefore I give credence to his coach and not some habitually negative and disgruntled fan in a recliner.

[Champsturf]

Let's see...I don't recall a link or date on your quote, so how do I know when if was made? Was it made in the presser following the game, or was it days later? Unfortunately, I assumed the it was the post-game presser. My bad if it was not. If it was though, I think it's BS.

I wasn't simply being antagonistic. I am tired of a lot of these fans that have blinders on. I just want to see a good on-field product. When Campbell got the nod a year and half or so ago, I was one of the ones pulling for him. I hated Brunell and knew he was NOT a long term solution. I thought Campbell had the goods. I hope that I'm wrong, but I no longer think he does. He has the physical tools, but just not the attitude. He also is waaaay too slow in reading defenses, from my vantage point in my recliner.

Don't recall a link? Why don't you simply flip one page back and CLICK the link. Those comments from Zorn were made days after the game. But whatever. He was commenting on one particular play in that quote. But if you don't think Zorn knows how to examine film, break down tape or how to critique his QB based on the plays Zorn designs and calls... go right ahead. If you think Zorn is lying, have at it. Speaks volumes, though. Not many really care about your vantage point from your recliner... it's a long ways away.

I give Zorn the benefit of the doubt when he says Jason is progressing. If you don't buy it, that's your problem. But don't accuse others of wearing blinders when your vision can be questioned. To date, for this year, JC has made a total of 6 passes that we've seen. If you feel that's enough evidence to conclude that he's not made progress, that's your prerogative. I don't believe 6 passes is enough to conclude anything, therefore I give credence to his coach and not some habitually negative and disgruntled fan in a recliner.

Way to really address my post.

I agree completely with the highlighted part. First game, shaking the rust off. I get it. I'm basing my opinions on last year, when he actually got worse, coupled with what I saw this year. Frankly, I don't care what Zorn has to say. If he does his job and does it well, then Campbell WILL succed if he has all the tools. That's my point. I don't think that he has the mental tools to excel in the NFL.

Kudos to you and calling me names though!

[markshark84]

Let's see...I don't recall a link or date on your quote, so how do I know when if was made? Was it made in the presser following the game, or was it days later? Unfortunately, I assumed the it was the post-game presser. My bad if it was not. If it was though, I think it's BS.

I wasn't simply being antagonistic. I am tired of a lot of these fans that have blinders on. I just want to see a good on-field product. When Campbell got the nod a year and half or so ago, I was one of the ones pulling for him. I hated Brunell and knew he was NOT a long term solution. I thought Campbell had the goods. I hope that I'm wrong, but I no longer think he does. He has the physical tools, but just not the attitude. He also is waaaay too slow in reading defenses, from my vantage point in my recliner.

I give Zorn the benefit of the doubt when he says Jason is progressing. If you don't buy it, that's your problem.

To be honest here, it is in Zorn's best interest to say that JC is progressing. He is ultimately a QB coach after all. This very well may be Zorn's make-or-break year as a HC and, fundamentally, JC's success is a major major determination of how long he stays in Washington.

The second part of the season showed that he, to an extent, lacked some creativity in play calling --- and his inexperienced showed. This fact, coupled with Danny boys relationship with more experienced/retired coaches and his lack of patience, makes me believe that Zorn has less time than the typical 3 years. Therefore, if Zorn doesn't say that JC is progressing, it will only jump-start Danny's HC hiring process.

Whether JC has progressed or has not is still in the air. But based on what we saw in the first preseason game --- JC looked EXACTLY like the old JC with only one exception ------- he had complete support from his OL.

[KazooSkinsFan]

To be honest here, it is in Zorn's best interest to say that JC is progressing. He is ultimately a QB coach after all. This very well may be Zorn's make-or-break year as a HC and, fundamentally, JC's success is a major major determination of how long he stays in Washington

This is so true. For Zorn to say that he didn't have confidence in his starting QB and only real option would just be destroying the season. He has to have confidence (publicly) in JC until he dumps him, at least as starter.

[Champsturf]

To be honest here, it is in Zorn's best interest to say that JC is progressing. He is ultimately a QB coach after all. This very well may be Zorn's make-or-break year as a HC and, fundamentally, JC's success is a major major determination of how long he stays in Washington

This is so true. For Zorn to say that he didn't have confidence in his starting QB and only real option would just be destroying the season. He has to have confidence (publicly) in JC until he dumps him, at least as starter.

Again, I agree with both of you. The problem lies in this offseason: trying to get Cutler or trading up for Sanchez. (at least by all reports). If Campbell's ego is weak, then we're in for a long season. Just think if Campbell reads a lot of these posts about Colt. Where would we be then?
Bottom line is that I agree that Zorn should be backing his QB in public, but it doesn't mean that he really feels this way. Let's hope Campbell really is progressing as Zorn says...

[VetSkinsFan]

If his ego's weak, then he won't be here next year and it's a moot discussion.

[KazooSkinsFan]

To be honest here, it is in Zorn's best interest to say that JC is progressing. He is ultimately a QB coach after all. This very well may be Zorn's make-or-break year as a HC and, fundamentally, JC's success is a major major determination of how long he stays in Washington

This is so true. For Zorn to say that he didn't have confidence in his starting QB and only real option would just be destroying the season. He has to have confidence (publicly) in JC until he dumps him, at least as starter.

Again, I agree with both of you. The problem lies in this offseason: trying to get Cutler or trading up for Sanchez. (at least by all reports). If Campbell's ego is weak, then we're in for a long season. Just think if Campbell reads a lot of these posts about Colt. Where would we be then?
Bottom line is that I agree that Zorn should be backing his QB in public, but it doesn't mean that he really feels this way. Let's hope Campbell really is progressing as Zorn says...

Not disagreeing with you champ, but the one comment on what you say is whether Zorn feels this way is not a binary choice, but a question of how much. He cannot have no faith in JC or he would not be the starter. And JC obviously isn't expected to take us to the playoffs by himself. Clearly we are a D driven team, and that means JC needs to score some points, not piles of them, and he needs to avoid mistakes so the D isn't set up to fail. Zorn could totally believe JC is capable of that and yet is not his choice for QB of the future unless he progresses more then Zorn expects this year.

[Deadskins]

JC has shown statistical improvement in each season he's been with the team. I see no reason to think that will stop this year. That being said, he was better at the beginning of last season than at the end, though there are many excuses for that.

[KazooSkinsFan]

JC has shown statistical improvement in each season he's been with the team. I see no reason to think that will stop this year. That being said, he was better at the beginning of last season than at the end, though there are many excuses for that.

Keep in mind I've defended JC until now, and even now I'm not calling for him to be traded, cut or even benched, I'm just expressing serious skepticism for the first time that he is our answer. I'm predicting for the first time that he's not going to make it and after this year one way or another we dump him.

So in that context, that he's "improved" every year isn't enough. The problem is he's improving too slowly. And even more then that is that his biggest weaknesses don't seem to be improving. He holds the ball too long and doesn't avoid sacks. His downfield throw is horrible and he's not improving at all in terms of the basic ability to lay a ball out a receiver can run under instead of hitting him on a dime 40 yards downfield, which no QB can do consistently.

I'm also tired of his inability to throw catchable balls to wide open receivers. How often has Moss made beautiful toe dragging catches on the sidelines, with the issue being that he was WIDE open and could have run for 10 or 20 yards if JC could just throw him the ball. He just flat out misses open receivers running routes on the field and throws uncatchable balls at their feet when again they are wide open.

I'm tired of it. Even early he was making those mistakes. I'm willing to blame the line for the deterioration of his stats later in the season, but I saw no improvement on his part when he did have the chance.

[SkinsJock]

oh boy - this is just not getting anywhere or providing anything new here

the situation is what it is and we are where we are - we have discussed and dissected the QB and the HC situation ad nauseum and I know because a lot of the frustration with this here at THN was probably because I refused to just let it go

Let's face it, the team did due diligence in looking at alternatives for Campbell - that is over. Campbell is just like any other QB in the NFL - if he does not play well he will not have a job - if he cannot handle what went on here then there's a good chance he's not going to be a very good QB - This year, he is going to get the opportunity to show that he is who he thinks he is and not who some here (like me) think he is Hopefully for all of us he can be a very effective QB this season - that will be good for everyone

Zorn's future is also tied to how well this offense works under both Campbell as QB and himself as the man who makes the offensive game plan each week. He will need a very good showing to keep his job but that is what happens when there are a lot of very good coaches available and you do not do as well as expected - this is the NFL (Not For Long) and you better produce.


The best thing for Campbell and the Redskins is for him to play really well because whether we win or lose if he can be at least a good QB we will need him until the next really good QB is our starter - that is not going to just happen - anymore than we are going to suddenly become a good team again - patience people