Yea, I don't mean to say that Ben or Flacco are bad, they aren't, I'm just saying that people on this board act like they are well above league average, which couldn't be farther from the truth. They are average.
Big Ben is far above average. He's finished with a qb rating of 98 or higher three times already in his career and had a qb rating of 104.1 in 2007, throwing 32 td's and completing 65.3 percent of his passes. That is not average. He's had one bad season as a starter, but that came the season after his motorcycle crash and it was obvious that he wasn't himself that year.
He was 24th in qb rating last year. The year before he did have a great qb rating, but was average in yards, td's etc. Again, not saying Ben is bad, but he's not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, McNabb, Drew Brees, etc., and nobody would know that by reading the stuff on here.
El Mexican wrote:Ben has already won two Superbowls. He commands that team and elevates the level of everyone that is playing around him.
Leave the stats for a moment. It's simply absurd to even compare JC to Ben.
I didn't compare JC to Ben. I said Ben shouldn't be the guy everybody dogs Campbell with when he can't even put up a QB rating as good as Campbell's last year.
ATX_Skins wrote:Not sure if you remember the superbowl but the Steelers were not exactly able to stop the Cards offense either. Big Ben had a game winning drive that he commanded. Taking control of a team and having players "play" for you is what is important. Matt Ryan had his guys on board as well as Flacco. Big Ben has always had control. Campbell, not so much....
Any respectable QB can put some numbers up against Arizona. Even Campbell did. If I recall, the big play in the Super Bowl was a DEFENSIVE td.
Actually no, there were two big plays and they both came in the 4th qtr. One was Fitzgerald burning the Steelers D, then of course it was Ben throwing to Holmes.
ATX_Skins wrote:Not sure if you remember the superbowl but the Steelers were not exactly able to stop the Cards offense either. Big Ben had a game winning drive that he commanded. Taking control of a team and having players "play" for you is what is important. Matt Ryan had his guys on board as well as Flacco. Big Ben has always had control. Campbell, not so much....
Any respectable QB can put some numbers up against Arizona. Even Campbell did. If I recall, the big play in the Super Bowl was a DEFENSIVE td.
Not sure if you paid attention, but the whole Cardinals team stepped it up in the second half of the season. The Cards we played wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
El Mexican wrote:Ben has already won two Superbowls. He commands that team and elevates the level of everyone that is playing around him.
Leave the stats for a moment. It's simply absurd to even compare JC to Ben.
This says it. It's a team sport. With Ben on the field, they are more than the sum of their parts. He's an integral part of why they've won TWO Super Bowls with him. If you watch Ben in a game, he's a playmaker. We don't have that currently at QB position. We can, but it's not there as of yet.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
ATX_Skins wrote:Not sure if you remember the superbowl but the Steelers were not exactly able to stop the Cards offense either. Big Ben had a game winning drive that he commanded. Taking control of a team and having players "play" for you is what is important. Matt Ryan had his guys on board as well as Flacco. Big Ben has always had control. Campbell, not so much....
Any respectable QB can put some numbers up against Arizona. Even Campbell did. If I recall, the big play in the Super Bowl was a DEFENSIVE td.
Not sure if you paid attention, but the whole Cardinals team stepped it up in the second half of the season. The Cards we played wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl.
The defense didn't. The Eagles dropped like 30 something on them in the playoffs. They weren't a good defense at all. They were probably the worst defense to ever play in a super bowl.
ATX_Skins wrote:Not sure if you remember the superbowl but the Steelers were not exactly able to stop the Cards offense either. Big Ben had a game winning drive that he commanded. Taking control of a team and having players "play" for you is what is important. Matt Ryan had his guys on board as well as Flacco. Big Ben has always had control. Campbell, not so much....
Any respectable QB can put some numbers up against Arizona. Even Campbell did. If I recall, the big play in the Super Bowl was a DEFENSIVE td.
Not sure if you paid attention, but the whole Cardinals team stepped it up in the second half of the season. The Cards we played wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl.
The defense didn't. The Eagles dropped like 30 something on them in the playoffs. They weren't a good defense at all. They were probably the worst defense to ever play in a super bowl.
I think the Broncos were worse than that...I recall someone setting a few records against them one year.
...and I still say that the defense stepped it up compared to the beginning of the year for them. I never said they were the best in the league or best ever.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
If your logic were true, we would have been in the playoffs last year.
Like it or not, the QB is the most important player on the field. And the guy in Pittsburgh has done an amazing job at QB since he was drafted. The Steelers had been playing amazing Defense for years before Roethlisberger arrived and finally won them two Superbowls.
If your logic were true, we would have been in the playoffs last year.
Like it or not, the QB is the most important player on the field. And the guy in Pittsburgh has done an amazing job at QB since he was drafted. The Steelers had been playing amazing Defense for years before Roethlisberger arrived and finally won them two Superbowls.
El Mexican wrote:Sorry, Brad. I'm not with ya on this one.
If your logic were true, we would have been in the playoffs last year.
Like it or not, the QB is the most important player on the field. And the guy in Pittsburgh has done an amazing job at QB since he was drafted. The Steelers had been playing amazing Defense for years before Roethlisberger arrived and finally won them two Superbowls.
Again, I'm not saying Roethlisberger is bad, I just don't think he deserves to be the guy other qb's are compared to, because he isn't all that great. I wouldn't be dogging him at all if somebody would acknowledge he isn't the best quarterback in the NFL.
El Mexican wrote:Sorry, Brad. I'm not with ya on this one.
If your logic were true, we would have been in the playoffs last year.
Like it or not, the QB is the most important player on the field. And the guy in Pittsburgh has done an amazing job at QB since he was drafted. The Steelers had been playing amazing Defense for years before Roethlisberger arrived and finally won them two Superbowls.
Again, I'm not saying Roethlisberger is bad, I just don't think he deserves to be the guy other qb's are compared to, because he isn't all that great. I wouldn't be dogging him at all if somebody would acknowledge he isn't the best quarterback in the NFL.
What are you talking about?
Everybody knows Colt Brennan is the best quarterback in the NFL
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