Is this JC's last year as a Redskin?

[frankcal20]

"QFT???"

Quoted For Truth. It means I agree with you.

sorry. didn't know what it meant for sure. For some reason I thought "Quit f'n talking" I was like, why so mad????

[KazooSkinsFan]

I agree with your second paragraph completely but do not understand where you are coming from in the first. I did not say he was sobbing. I just said that here has to be some hurt feelings on his part for the Redskins lack of trust in him. That is a normal reaction for anyone, you, me, anyone when we feel unwanted as the Redskins demonstrated. Whether they were looking for a better option, as they should, or not the idea projected is that Campbell has not filled the bill, which he hasn't.

I was saying that if JC has the fortitude to play in the NFL in one of the 32 most difficult positions at anything in the world and he's realistic about his own play then he's not going to have "hurt" feelings and want to leave, he's going to put it on himself to deliver. If he seriously leaves because his feelings were hurt as you suggested he would then I'm calling him a sobby little girl who isn't going to make it in that job anyway.

When you say "normal reaction for anyone, you, me" I was in an ultra competitive industry for most of my career also, management consulting. I have lived what I preach. I always had to figure out how to become a mind reader and sooth sayer because everything that ever happened was my fault no matter how unpredictable it was. That's what they paid me hundreds of dollars an hour to do. It just continued to hone my skills at reading many steps ahead and figuring out how to take preventative action. Still sure, I missed things and got clobbered for it. Went with the territory.

I can't say I "liked" that particular aspect of the job, but it was inseparable from the job. I did work when companies were under government investigations or facing other critical issues. Management has to turn to someone to deal with those things and they don't pay those sorts of wages to people who say whatever happens wasn't their fault so they want a pass. No one actually was blaming me for causing the problems, it was just my job to solve them.

It's the same for JC. He needs to be the type of guy to want everything to be on his shoulders and deliver despite everything else that happens. Frankly he hasn't said anything counter to that is who he is. But if you take that away, maybe it isn't his "fault" we don't go to the playoffs. But if that's what he goes by he's not an NFL quarterback. It's inseparable, as it was in my job. I have my own companies now and it's a lot easier and less stressful then what I did before.

[SKINFAN]

I don't think JC17 has done enough yet to warrant the FO consideration of his feelings. Until he shows he is a true first rounder and start playing like we all know he can, it will be the same next preseason with the FO looking to replace him.

[SkinsFreak]

a bit of a bummer, I watched the pre season game replay, man, JC looks the same as he did the last 6 games or last year. Slow release, slow read and everything. ZI hope he turns it around

I couldn't agree more. 0 points and can't drive the first team past the 30 yard line pretty much says it all, doesn't it ???

I couldn't disagree more.

While there's caution in the wind regarding the optimism of JC's future success, this was the first preseason game in which they didn't game plan for, didn't play some of their starters and ran a very vanilla offense with basic and simple plays. I'm not sure why some fail to recognize this every year in preseason. Have you seen the highlights from other games? Very few QB's "lit it up" in their 1st preseason game.

McNabb and Brady did...and played well into the second quarter

I said "very few QB's" and you come back with two. Thanks. I guess that somehow disproves my point.

[SkinsFreak]

Hold on....

There's a HUGE factor here that most everyone is overlooking, an incredibly relevant variable that I'm quite sure the Skins are well aware of and possibly the reason why Campbell has not yet been extended a contract yet.

That factor is the prospect of the NFL playing the 2010 season without a salary cap...

I think you make a lot of good points Freak, but regardless I don't think they would be able today to agree to a deal. What possible number could both sides agree to? Danny's going to go low based on his performance so far and not wanting to prevent the team from getting another QB because of the cap and and JC's going to go high based on that he is the starter and he keeps showing just enough potential to possibly remain so.

Given the situation, it totally makes sense that they would just continue to play out the contract until we finally get a yes or no on JC and not the maybe we still keep getting.

The point of my post was to show that JC will most likely not be a free agent at the end of this year, contrary to numerous contentions around here. The team knows this and knows they have time. They might not have to even think about Campbell's contract until the end of the 2010 season, two full seasons away. So why would they want to give him a new contract now? They can have him for two more seasons without doing anything to his contract. And if he plays poorly, they can still target another QB while keeping JC as a back-up on his rookie contract. It's almost a win-win for the team. BTW - this predicament also applies to Carlos Rogers' contract situation.

[screwgun]

a bit of a bummer, I watched the pre season game replay, man, JC looks the same as he did the last 6 games or last year. Slow release, slow read and everything. ZI hope he turns it around

I couldn't agree more. 0 points and can't drive the first team past the 30 yard line pretty much says it all, doesn't it ???

I couldn't disagree more.

While there's caution in the wind regarding the optimism of JC's future success, this was the first preseason game in which they didn't game plan for, didn't play some of their starters and ran a very vanilla offense with basic and simple plays. I'm not sure why some fail to recognize this every year in preseason. Have you seen the highlights from other games? Very few QB's "lit it up" in their 1st preseason game.

No one else had trouble crossing the 30 yard line !!!

[so.il.SKINSFAN]

After watching the game all I could do was shake my head. After how he looked in the last half of the season last year and and all of the Sanchez/Cutler stuff you would think that JC would have wanted to light it up but he looked the same as he did last year. I know it's just pre-season but If my employer was trying to replace me, I'd be taking advantage of every opportunity to show I deserve to stay.
I don't know about you guys but my patience is running thin with JC.

[SkinsFreak]

a bit of a bummer, I watched the pre season game replay, man, JC looks the same as he did the last 6 games or last year. Slow release, slow read and everything. ZI hope he turns it around

I couldn't agree more. 0 points and can't drive the first team past the 30 yard line pretty much says it all, doesn't it ???

I couldn't disagree more.

While there's caution in the wind regarding the optimism of JC's future success, this was the first preseason game in which they didn't game plan for, didn't play some of their starters and ran a very vanilla offense with basic and simple plays. I'm not sure why some fail to recognize this every year in preseason. Have you seen the highlights from other games? Very few QB's "lit it up" in their 1st preseason game.

No one else had trouble crossing the 30 yard line !!!

Right... and the Detroit Lions went 4-0 in preseason last year.
Come on... the sky isn't falling yet, guys.

[KazooSkinsFan]

The point of my post was to show that JC will most likely not be a free agent at the end of this year, contrary to numerous contentions around here. The team knows this and knows they have time. They might not have to even think about Campbell's contract until the end of the 2010 season, two full seasons away. So why would they want to give him a new contract now? They can have him for two more seasons without doing anything to his contract. And if he plays poorly, they can still target another QB while keeping JC as a back-up on his rookie contract. It's almost a win-win for the team. BTW - this predicament also applies to Carlos Rogers' contract situation.

I wasn't disagreeing with you Freak. I'm just saying that either with your argument or mine there would be no contract in place.

[DEHog]

a bit of a bummer, I watched the pre season game replay, man, JC looks the same as he did the last 6 games or last year. Slow release, slow read and everything. ZI hope he turns it around

I couldn't agree more. 0 points and can't drive the first team past the 30 yard line pretty much says it all, doesn't it ???

I couldn't disagree more.

While there's caution in the wind regarding the optimism of JC's future success, this was the first preseason game in which they didn't game plan for, didn't play some of their starters and ran a very vanilla offense with basic and simple plays. I'm not sure why some fail to recognize this every year in preseason. Have you seen the highlights from other games? Very few QB's "lit it up" in their 1st preseason game.

McNabb and Brady did...and played well into the second quarter

I said "very few QB's" and you come back with two. Thanks. I guess that somehow disproves my point.

There were others…I was just pointing out two of the more premier QB’s in the league who have “earned” there right to not play that much in the pre-season. But that’s really not the point. The point is JC needs to play!! Do you seriously agree with only playing JC for two series?? Tell me that something positive came from that game for JC.

[SkinsFreak]

A few series is the standard for starting QB's in the first preseason game and has been for years. The coaches see JC throw everyday. Yes, I agree with the few series for JC. That doesn't mean I don't think he doesn't have a lot to prove this coming year, but it's one preseason game without many starters playing and a very, very vanilla and scaled down offense. I have looked at all the stats from every game on nfl.com and there were "very few" QB's that played more than a few series.

If some of you want to get your panties in a bunch after one preseason game... have at it. I'm not overly concerned yet. There's plenty more to come. If this was the case in game 3 or 4... yeah, then I'd start to be concerned. But it's the same thing every year... some of you get all bent over one or two preseason games that have absolutely no resemblance of or bearing on the regular season. As I said before, the Lions went 4-0 in preseason last year. Preseason doesn't mean squat. What were the Skins preseason records in the years they won Superbowls?

[Champsturf]

A few series is the standard for starting QB's in the first preseason game and has been for years. The coaches see JC throw everyday. Yes, I agree with the few series for JC. That doesn't mean I don't think he doesn't have a lot to prove this coming year, but it's one preseason game without many starters playing and a very, very vanilla and scaled down offense. I have looked at all the stats from every game on nfl.com and there were "very few" QB's that played more than a few series.

If some of you want to get your panties in a bunch after one preseason game... have at it. I'm not overly concerned yet. There's plenty more to come. If this was the case in game 3 or 4... yeah, then I'd start to be concerned. But it's the same thing every year... some of you get all bent over one or two preseason games that have absolutely no resemblance of or bearing on the regular season. As I said before, the Lions went 4-0 in preseason last year. Preseason doesn't mean squat. What were the Skins preseason records in the years they won Superbowls?

Actually, I think this first preseason game had a HUGE resemblance to the last half of the regular season last year. Just flat out sad.
You can say all you want about the Lions going 4-0 last preseason. Last time I checked, we cheer for the Redskins, not the Lions. I don't care what ANY other team does during the preseason, only the Skins.
As far as bringing up the preseason records of the Redskins Superbowl teams, so what? Last time I looked, this(meaning last year) Redskins team hasn't done squat. It's not like they're loaded and really don't have any concerns.
I'm not one of those "the sky is falling" guys, but Campbell and the rest of the starters need more work. The team finished last year on what I would call, a horrible note. Somebody brought up that some QB's that have won Superbowls or at least Championships of some level (in the NFL)played longer than Campbell. I agree that they have EARNED the right to play less in preseason, but instead played more than usual. Why wouldn't Campbell, who hasn't earned squat, allowed to play more? He should have demanded it and shown some desire to prove his worth. More "lack of fire" on his part, if you ask me.

[langleyparkjoe]

ya'll analyze da heck out of a poll

my answer- he's gone
either way because if he stinks up the place, no contract.. if he does really really good, he'll walk.. not because of money either, but because of treatment by f.o.

that's why its imperative for this guy to give his 100%.. just remember its preseason though and its not like we were 4-12/5-11 last year

[DEHog]

A few series is the standard for starting QB's in the first preseason game and has been for years. The coaches see JC throw everyday. Yes, I agree with the few series for JC. That doesn't mean I don't think he doesn't have a lot to prove this coming year, but it's one preseason game without many starters playing and a very, very vanilla and scaled down offense. I have looked at all the stats from every game on nfl.com and there were "very few" QB's that played more than a few series.

If some of you want to get your panties in a bunch after one preseason game... have at it. I'm not overly concerned yet. There's plenty more to come. If this was the case in game 3 or 4... yeah, then I'd start to be concerned. But it's the same thing every year... some of you get all bent over one or two preseason games that have absolutely no resemblance of or bearing on the regular season. As I said before, the Lions went 4-0 in preseason last year. Preseason doesn't mean squat. What were the Skins preseason records in the years they won Superbowls?

If you played or coached you know how hard it is to simulate game day
conditions. The knock on Jason is taking to long to get rid of the ball…why wouldn’t you want as many reps for hmi as you could get. I understand not playing him with the third team. I guess had he had two series like Flacco and got more reps I’d feel better. I want success for Jason he deserves it. I just don't see the team setting him up for it.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

But it's the same thing every year.

yea and that's a problem.

[KazooSkinsFan]

if he does really really good, he'll walk.. not because of money either, but because of treatment by f.o.

What is it you objected to exactly, LPJ? We looked because he wasn't that good and we didn't pull the trigger because he wasn't that bad. It seems like the right level of reaction and the message is we haven't given up on him but we're not sold on him either.

I keep seeing comments like this and no one seems to be able to explain why based on his mixed at best performance last year we wouldn't be looking or how an NFL QB who didn't play consistently well would need the ego massage of you're our baby Jason, we'd never look to anyone else.

I don't get it.

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[SkinsJock]

I really hope that Campbell has a very good season here as that will only help this team going forward. - I am not worried about the pre-season or that game last Thursday - we seem to have a very good defense but we are going to need to find out this season, what we need, to be a good team and that is not going to happen quickly (this year) after what we saw last year - there is just too much to be done and, with who we have running things here, while it seems we are on the right path to success, that success is going to take us a little longer to achieve I'm all for positive thinking but the reality is we are not just going to become a good team in a short amount of time - this is a work in progress but with these 2 "guys" managing things, it will be a while before they can get us out of the world of "mediocre" results

back to Campbell - I just do not see that he's going to be as good a QB as we would like here and while some here think that he's "good enough" I want the QB here to be a lot better. I know that Gibbs won Super Bowls with 3 different QBs and they were not great but they had the intangibles in being able to QB the offense that I just have not seen the last 2 years with Campbell - QBs that can help your team win games are just better at the job than Campbell is. You've either got "it" or not. Gibbs and those teams had a lot more going for them than we do right now with our make-up from top to bottom - sorry

Now - I do think that Campbell will be here next season as even if he has a very good year we are going to need him until we get our next future QB ready and I do not believe he's on this team yet

I voted that he would not be here but I guess I mean't that figuratively speaking - I agree with SkinsFreak in that technically he's not going anywhere

[SkinsFreak]

The knock on Jason is taking to long to get rid of the ball…why wouldn’t you want as many reps for hmi as you could get. I understand not playing him with the third team.

It's funny how you can say that if I played or coached I'd understand the difficulty to simulate game conditions, but you yourself don't understand or acknowledge what the coaches say and do and why they do it. BTW, I played for many years in organized football, starting at the peewee level. Played mostly at LB, SS, TE and WR. But what does that prove? Absolutely nothing, because I have no idea what Zorn's playbook looks like for this year and I have no idea how far these guys have come since last year. But simple logic tells me they would have to be further along. Can JC get it done? We don't know that yet... not I and not you.

Zorn has said, several times, that JC has improved the quickness of his release. Zorn praised very few players from that game but JC was one of them. Zorn said JC was "composed and focused" on his two series. I take Zorn at his word. He knows better than all of us. But I'm sure some of you will say he's lying to cover his butt. Whatever. I give him the benefit of the doubt.

JC played very well in last years preseason games. So what does that mean? Why did Kyle Orton throw 3 int's in 3 series the other night? Why did Jay Cutler look atrocious and go 5/10 with 1 int.? Why did Matt Cassell look outright horrible, going 2/5 for 15 yards? Those guys need the reps too... right? Because it's the 1st preseason game, teams are working on stuff with the players trying to make the team and starters get limited playing time... in the 1st preseason game! But SkinsFreak, I don't care about those guys, I only care about our team. Well... yeah, no duh! But that's how the game is played in preseason.

Mort was talking about it this morning. With teams playing vanilla and not using starters, you can't put any stock into a preseason game. Listen, I agree with you regarding the cautious optimism with JC, but I'm just not going to get all worked up over the 1st preseason game. We have a very tough preseason schedule. Our 1st three games are against the Raven's Steelers and the Pat's. Does it get any harder than that? We could end up losing all 3 of those games, but it still doesn't mean we're going to flounder in the regular season.

[DEHog]

The knock on Jason is taking to long to get rid of the ball…why wouldn’t you want as many reps for hmi as you could get. I understand not playing him with the third team.

It's funny how you can say that if I played or coached I'd understand the difficulty to simulate game conditions, but you yourself don't understand or acknowledge what the coaches say and do and why they do it. BTW, I played for many years in organized football, starting at the peewee level. Played mostly at LB, SS, TE and WR. But what does that prove? Absolutely nothing, because I have no idea what Zorn's playbook looks like for this year and I have no idea how far these guys have come since last year. But simple logic tells me they would have to be further along. Can JC get it done? We don't know that yet... not I and not you.

Zorn has said, several times, that JC has improved the quickness of his release. Zorn praised very few players from that game but JC was one of them. Zorn said JC was "composed and focused" on his two series. I take Zorn at his word. He knows better than all of us. But I'm sure some of you will say he's lying to cover his butt. Whatever. I give him the benefit of the doubt.

JC played very well in last years preseason games. So what does that mean? Why did Kyle Orton throw 3 int's in 3 series the other night? Why did Jay Cutler look atrocious and go 5/10 with 1 int.? Why did Matt Cassell look outright horrible, going 2/5 for 15 yards? Those guys need the reps too... right? Because it's the 1st preseason game, teams are working on stuff with the players trying to make the team and starters get limited playing time... in the 1st preseason game! But SkinsFreak, I don't care about those guys, I only care about our team. Well... yeah, no duh! But that's how the game is played in preseason.

Mort was talking about it this morning. With teams playing vanilla and not using starters, you can't put any stock into a preseason game. Listen, I agree with you regarding the cautious optimism with JC, but I'm just not going to get all worked up over the 1st preseason game. We have a very tough preseason schedule. Our 1st three games are against the Raven's Steelers and the Pat's. Does it get any harder than that? We could end up losing all 3 of those games, but it still doesn't mean we're going to flounder in the regular season.

Like I said we agree to disagree...please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say...alot of this post is directed at things other people said.
I simply stated that as a coach or player it is very hard to similate game conditions...if you disagree so be it...I don't need Zorn or anyone else's opinion to come to that conclusuion. I wasn't calling you out...just saying that if you did play or coaoch I think you would agree nothing compare to a game. It never has for me as a player or as a coach...

[langleyparkjoe]

if he does really really good, he'll walk.. not because of money either, but because of treatment by f.o.

What is it you objected to exactly, LPJ? We looked because he wasn't that good and we didn't pull the trigger because he wasn't that bad. It seems like the right level of reaction and the message is we haven't given up on him but we're not sold on him either.

I keep seeing comments like this and no one seems to be able to explain why based on his mixed at best performance last year we wouldn't be looking or how an NFL QB who didn't play consistently well would need the ego massage of you're our baby Jason, we'd never look to anyone else.

I don't get it.

I feel you bro, i'm just going by his comments about how he felt when the whole thing happend. To me personally its just business and they went out looking for someone better, that's football. I like the kid, always rooted for him but if he can't get the job done, we need to step up. Of course wit JC there's always a variable ya know? Like injuries, new coaches, etc..

[El Mexican]

JC needs a Rypien-esque type season to convince the FO he's quality material. I'll take his '89 season; '91 seems out of reach, specially with this O-line.

[riggofan]

My guess is that he's done after this year. I don't think DC and Dan Snyder in particular will support an average QB for much longer.

I think a lot of people want Campbell to succceed, myself included. He's going to have to really step up this year though to stay in Washington.

[frankcal20]

I'm just going to say "Wait and See!!!"

I personally think that he's going to blow it up this year. And when he does, he'll probably go somewhere else and be even better. Then the fanbase will get all mad b/c he didn't do it here. But this fanbase and ownership does not support their players and allowing them to mature in the offense/defense. History has shown...see Ryan Clark.

[CanesSkins26]

But this fanbase and ownership does not support their players and allowing them to mature in the offense/defense. History has shown...see Ryan Clark.

I would have to disagree with you about the fans not supporting Ryan Clark. I think that most Skins fan, including many on this board, were upset when the Skins did not re-sign Clark.

[SkinsFreak]

I'm just going to say "Wait and See!!!"

I personally think that he's going to blow it up this year. And when he does, he'll probably go somewhere else and be even better. Then the fanbase will get all mad b/c he didn't do it here.

Frank... I agree with the "wait and see." But if he "blows it up this year" -- I'm assuming you mean he'll do good -- he most likely won't be able to "go elsewhere" next year to possibly do better with another team. Not unless some team wants to give us something in return, because Campbell won't become a free agent next year. And if he does really good, to the point that another team would want him, the compensation package to get him increases quite a bit.

So again, the Skins are in a very good position with Campbell. If he does great, we profit from a good QB that could be signed long term or from the compensation another team would have to give up to get him. If Campbell falls flat on his face, we'd still own the rights to him through the end of the 2010 season on his rookie contract. Meaning we could still go after another QB and keep Campbell for two more years as a back-up, still paying him at the rate of his rookie contract. The Skins know this, so based on that aspect alone, it was not advantageous in any regard to sign him to a new contract now. It makes far more sense to "wait and see."