Coughlin vs. Gibbs

noshirtforyou · Post by **noshirtforyou** » Wed May 26, 2004 1:57 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/f ... h/?cnn=yes[/url]

skins75 · Post by **skins75** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:12 pm

I am not saying we are going to win the NFC East but I do believe we are in better shape next year than the Giants. They have deep problems on their OL and a rookie QB.

I am guessing 10-6 (2nd place in the NFC East) and a wild card spot.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:29 pm

Garbage. I just read this a few minutes ago. Any time I see Peter Kings name on an article it is worthless. Banks is a retard. I can't stand this Eagles hype. They are the most overrated team in the NFC, possibly all of football.

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:42 pm

yeah, you gotta love those backhanded compliments. we can contend for the NFC east title in only 3 years....only 3 years!!!

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:56 pm

Eagles overrated? They only get to the championship game every year!

Look, I'm a diehard Skins fan but let's not get too big for our britches. We start the year behind the Eagles and the Cowboys if for no other reason than that we haven't made the playoffs since 1999.

All these moves we've made, even bringing back Joe Gibbs, means nothing, nada, zippo, until we start winning on a consistent basis.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Wed May 26, 2004 3:19 pm

Skeletor wrote:Eagles overrated? They only get to the championship game every year!

Look, I'm a diehard Skins fan but let's not get too big for our britches. We start the year behind the Eagles and the Cowboys if for no other reason than that we haven't made the playoffs since 1999.

All these moves we've made, even bringing back Joe Gibbs, means nothing, nada, zippo, until we start winning on a consistent basis.

Yes. They are overrated. The first year on their championship run, they were a really good team. The 2nd year, they were a really good team. Last year, they were good, but not as good as they were, but like all three years, they were winning in a weak division. They shouldn't of even been in last years championship. Green Bay dominated that playoff game against the Eagles. The Packers beat themselves in that game. It was by sheer luck only that the Eagles made it to the championship last year.

McNabb is way overrated. He's good, but he is extremely over hyped by the sports media. Since Rush Limbaugh made his remarks about McNabb last year, the media feels it needs to roll out the red carpet for McNabb :roll:

. He's very inconsistent. One play he'll make a great throw, the next he'll throw 10 yds. away from the receiver. Throwing accuracy is much more important for a QB than being able to run.

They were horrible at stopping the run last year. Their best run stopper last year was LB Carlos Emmons, and he's in NY now. Their defense is in bad shape now. Their front four is good, considering if Kearse duplicates his rookie year. Their back seven has a huge :?:

on it. They may try to make another splash on June 1st with their secondary, but I don't think the Eagles will dominate next year.

We'll see how Reid does against a division full of real coaches this season.

JonC56 · Post by **JonC56** » Wed May 26, 2004 3:25 pm

First, comparing joe gibbs and coughlin is ridculous. Gibbs has proven himself where it mattered most, in the post season with a 16-5 record and 3 superbowl wins. Coughlin did a good job with the expansion jaguars, but hes not even in the same league as gibbs. He has a postseason record of 4-4, and not even a super bowl appearence let allown a super bowl win. With that being said I dont think the article about gibbs was offbased. The redskins have time and time agian made the biggest splashes in the offseason to have it result in losses on the playing field. I think this year will be different, with the addition of gibbs, but we have to earn the right to be able to say we are better then the eagles and the cowboys. They both were in the playoffs last year and we werent, or no where near the playoffs for that matter.

Skeletor · Post by **Skeletor** » Wed May 26, 2004 3:38 pm

You can argue that the Eagles played in a weak division but they still get to the championship game. The Skins played in that same division and couldn't make it to the playoffs.

McNabb overrated his butt all over the Skins along the way. He has single-handedly killed us the past 3 years. Do you remember the monday night game? We had to resort to macing the Eagles players on the sidelines!

Give them their due. They are a good team and they have proven it on the field. That said, let's go out and crush them this year.

ace phoenix · Post by **ace phoenix** » Wed May 26, 2004 4:04 pm

Well i can't say that i agree with the articles. I mean everyone knows that Peter King Hates the skins and Snyder and will down them any shot he gets.
I mean what are they even saying. hey we have new coaches things will be different. GREAT!!!!
this is some of the same garbage that we've been reading for months, just a bunch of blowhards blowing. I really take everything i read from Sports Illustrated with a grain of salt. Just as i take this. If the Giants ARE better than the SKINS, we may be in for a long decade. And 8-8 is a little on the underside if you ask me. ITS OUR TIME!!!PERIOD!

JonC56 · Post by **JonC56** » Wed May 26, 2004 4:16 pm

Ace, are you getting Peter King and Dr. Z mixed up. Dr. Z hates the skins with a passion. Peter king I think he actually likes the skins. HE did say that he thinks that they are going to win a super bowl under gibbs, which is fine by me. when peter king says that coughlin will make a bigger impact, it sounded to me like he was just saying that Giants were in for a complete shock becuase of the fact coughlin is such a huge disiplinarian. There is now way that they will finish ahead of the skins in the NFC east.

JDC · Post by **JDC** » Wed May 26, 2004 5:31 pm

What does SI know about Football anyway? Have they every got anything right?

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed May 26, 2004 5:56 pm

JDC wrote:What does SI know about Football anyway? Have they every got anything right?

Really... now if you want to tak bikinis SI your Mag!!

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Wed May 26, 2004 6:12 pm

Don Banks does not have a clue what he is talking about! 8-8 finish for the Redskins this year! Not a chance they will win at least 10 games! I read King's previous article saying that Gibbs win win another SuperBowl with the Redskins and he makes very valid points in the article! This Banks guy is just stupid there is no other way to put it! The things missing from the previous Redskins teams has not been talent it has been coaching and now with Gibbs back and with his own new staff things are going to change big time for the Redskins year!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed May 26, 2004 6:22 pm

Redskins teams has not been talent it has been coaching and now with Gibbs back and with his own new staff things are going to change big time for the Redskins year!

Thats what I've been saying. If Gibbs took over the exact roster from last season we'd win more games simply because of the addition of DSICIPLINE AND FUNDAMENTALS. This year we have that and a better roster. It simply equals success.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed May 26, 2004 6:49 pm

This is a totally different team even with most of the roster returning...NOW the players have a coach that they respect and can learn from

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Wed May 26, 2004 10:45 pm

king is a moron.

as for banks, sounds like he's close. i hoping for 8-8.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Thu May 27, 2004 9:23 am

agreed HS666 - I have repeatedly stated I think we will be 8-8 or 9-7 this year, probably splitting the division... which is a LOT better than last year...

If we win more - I will happily eat my crow - I would love every game won over my prediction... I just think it will take a little more than 3 mini camps and 1 training camp to get this team Superbowl bound...

Trust me... I hope to be eating crow

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Thu May 27, 2004 11:44 am

Skeletor wrote:Eagles overrated? They only get to the championship game every year!

Look, I'm a diehard Skins fan but let's not get too big for our britches. We start the year behind the Eagles and the Cowboys if for no other reason than that we haven't made the playoffs since 1999.

All these moves we've made, even bringing back Joe Gibbs, means nothing, nada, zippo, until we start winning on a consistent basis.

yep you hit it right on the head. winning will cure all the problems especially when you have joe back.but with that being said we shall see want we. i just want this organization to get it,s head out of their own butts for a change-get some stability back where it belongs.
being a diehard myself makes it all the harder to stomach when it comes to inconsistency for the whole organization let alone the football team.

jaw32 · Post by **jaw32** » Thu May 27, 2004 1:04 pm

I don't know much about Gibbs except that he is a legend. I do know about Coughlin. Coughlin is very demanding of his players, expects hard work, and wants no excuses.

He wants to contol everything and usually spreads himself too thin (ie offensive coordinator and head coach for a couple of years).

He wants to run a ball control offense with a conservative don't give up the big play defense. Unfortunately that sytyle never fit the Jaguars. I think he struggled with adapting to his teams strengths/abilities versus his coaching style/preferences.

Coughlin had a strange relationship with Brunell. I was never sure if the two liked each other (either way they kept if professional). I believe Coughlin did not get the best out of Brunell. He came down on him hard when he threw an interception and did not like him changeing plays at the line. I noticed that Brunell went from taking sacks to throwing the ball away in the last few years. Brunell starting throwing the ball away so quickly, it took away from his ability to make big plays. The Jags also started going to a lot of 3 step drops. Brunell was at his best taking a 7 step drop and taking chances. He also was awesome in the no huddle offense.

It will be interesting to see how Brunell responds to Gibbs and how much Gibbs let's Brunell "play".

I will also be interested in seeing how Gibbs will run the team. I hope it isn't too much ball control (I think this offense will be able to score a lot of points if you let them), but will that put too much pressure on the defense? I just hate it when you play ball control, keep the game close, but the defense is just bad enough you lose by a field goal.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Thu May 27, 2004 2:34 pm

Skeletor wrote:You can argue that the Eagles played in a weak division but they still get to the championship game. The Skins played in that same division and couldn't make it to the playoffs.

McNabb overrated his butt all over the Skins along the way. He has single-handedly killed us the past 3 years. Do you remember the monday night game? We had to resort to macing the Eagles players on the sidelines!

Give them their due. They are a good team and they have proven it on the field. That said, let's go out and crush them this year.

McNabb overrated his butt all over the Skins? He sure did. Guess who else made the Skins look like fools last year, Troy Hambrick. I don't think anyone will argue that Hambrick is one of the best RB's either. There were several teams that made us look like fools. We were 5-11 last year.

I said they were a good team. I said in my orginal post that during the 1st year of their championship run, they were really good. I said they were good last year, but not as good as they were in previous years.

When I say they are overrated, I'm refering to this coming season. They suffered major losses on defense, yet because of them getting Kearse their even stronger now? Not buying it. McNabb's completion % last season was something like 57% That's not very good. I'm not going to spend too much time researching stats to back up my points but I know I'm right about McNabb. If I honestly thought he was this great QB like 99% of the commentators say on T.V. I would give him his due. He's overrated. Most of these commentators are probably too scared to speak the truth about McNabb on the air considering what happen to Rush Limbaugh. The safest thing for them to do is be PC about it. It's funny watching them say things like " McNabb is extremely inaccurate and is inconsistant, but I love this guy. He's one of the best QB's in the game :roll:

." Whatever.

I believe your confusing my saying that the Eagles and McNabb are overrated as me saying the Eagles suck. I'm not saying that. Overrated means over hyping them, saying they're better than they really are. They're good, not great. Just because they went to the championship three times in a row doesn't mean they're doing it this time. The past is the past. Now if they didn't lose anybody in FA and we didn't get Gibbs, and Parcells never went to Dallas, then I would say the Eagles are the clear winner.

Of course every prediction right now has the Eagles winning the division. It would be too radical for them to say the Redskins will. Like you said we have to win to get the respect. Your absolutely right. On paper we have the best team in the division. We have the best coaching staff. We have the best QB in the division. We have the best RB. We should win it. The only question is how fast we can gel as a team? I think pretty fast. I will be surprised if we don't go at least 10-6. I hate putting pressure on Gibbs, but I think we could of gone at least 8-8 or 9-7 with last years team with this new coaching staff we have.

Overall, I feel the Eagles are overrated NOW. I'm not saying they have ALWAYS been overrated. I'm refering to the PRESENT.