why do people hate The Danny...? (he's screwing tradition)

[yupchagee]

>>I agree with the first part, but not the second part of your final sentence.<<

Which part of the second part? Do you agree Redskin fans are knowledgeable but easily stampeded by media that demonize everything Dan Snyder says, or is it the other way around?

I disagreed with your assumption that fans here are "jumping aboard simply because they've been conditioned to do so."

Actually, I completely understand what Jeff Rhodes is saying. He's not saying that every fan here does that, but many jump on the Snyder bash-wagon long before the true facts are disclosed, and it does come off as if they're doing it because they've been conditioned to do so. I mean the Post is bad enough, but at least Dan Steinberg ended his article with... "But I guess we should withhold judgment until we hear exactly why this is happening." Not here. Folks don't understand something, so instead of looking or waiting for the logical answer, they don't understand it so they'll just discredit it altogether and bash away. And this is just another perfect example. These new procedures are actually a good thing, but let's jump to conclusions before we know the whole story so we can bash Snyder once again. (The last past isn't directed at you Deadskins, but just in general.)

People jump to conclusions based on his previous behavior. It'd sort of like cops looking at ex cons 1st when a crime has been committed.

[CanesSkins26]

BUT... those lazy so and so's that steel money from the Danny by pretending to direct trafic will never be able to pulll this off!

I have never seen any security in the parking lots so this will not even be enforcable.

QFT

[VetSkinsFan]

I'll admit I jumped the gun on this one. I still see potential problems, but I guess I should reserve future comments until it's actually enforced.

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[SkinsFreak]

BUT... those lazy so and so's that steel money from the Danny by pretending to direct trafic will never be able to pulll this off!

I have never seen any security in the parking lots so this will not even be enforcable.

QFT

They do this same thing at many stadiums (I've recently read that Dallas will also do this at their new stadium) and it's simply meant to enhance the tailgating experience for all and to improve traffic flow. I can attest that they do this at Raymond James stadium in Tampa and it works out fine and no one complains.

I have seen security at the games and why would it be a problem to have the tailgater's who like to pitch a camp site and take up multiple parking spots simply go to the back of the lot? When my friends and I would tailgate in the past, we liked being at the back of the lot anyway. We could spread out more and the trees and bushes were close by for when you needed to... you know, drain the bladder.

What potential problems could surface from directing the "single lot" tailgater's to the front and the "multiple parking spot" tailgater's to the back of the lot? I mean, why are these new parking procedures such a problem?

[VetSkinsFan]

From what I've read, people are concerned about getting multi-vehicle tailgates getting split up.

[SkinsFreak]

From what I've read, people are concerned about getting multi-vehicle tailgates getting split up.

Yeah, I read that as well, so it may be a minor inconvenience at first. But they will still be able to do it in the front if they park next to each other and simply put their grills and stuff behind their vehicles or they can simply relocate to the back of the lot and spread out all they want, or at least until the parking lot fills up and they need those spots. We always parked at the back of the lot and we've never had to give up our vacant parking spot we used for tailgating.

[DEHog]

Sounds like the only people this is going to affect is the platinum parking lots (they probably wanted it this way!!) plus they are going to get an express lane out of the stadium after the game…Snyder has to offer something because those seats aren’t selling.

As SF said this is going on other places I can’t attest to Dallas it was like this last year. We use to take up multiple spots…so we had to buy a few more passes lest year for our tailgate down there.
As for our TG we are already on the outside we park in green and TG in Orange because it’s wide open in the orange lot??? SO this should have no affect on us.

[Bob 0119]

No offense, but what we have here is the Post pre-emptively bashing Dan Snyder — and presumably knowledgeable Redskin fans jumping aboard simply because they've been conditioned to do so.

Good call, sir!

[CanesSkins26]

BUT... those lazy so and so's that steel money from the Danny by pretending to direct trafic will never be able to pulll this off!

I have never seen any security in the parking lots so this will not even be enforcable.

QFT

They do this same thing at many stadiums (I've recently read that Dallas will also do this at their new stadium) and it's simply meant to enhance the tailgating experience for all and to improve traffic flow. I can attest that they do this at Raymond James stadium in Tampa and it works out fine and no one complains.

I have seen security at the games and why would it be a problem to have the tailgater's who like to pitch a camp site and take up multiple parking spots simply go to the back of the lot? When my friends and I would tailgate in the past, we liked being at the back of the lot anyway. We could spread out more and the trees and bushes were close by for when you needed to... you know, drain the bladder.

What potential problems could surface from directing the "single lot" tailgater's to the front and the "multiple parking spot" tailgater's to the back of the lot? I mean, why are these new parking procedures such a problem?

I wasn't commenting on the policy. I was agreeing with the statement about the "security" personnel that work at FedEx, who are for the most part lazy and incompetent. That is why I don't think that this policy will have any actual impact, because security at FedEx is worthless already so I doubt that they will actually put in the effort in to enforce this new policy.

[VetSkinsFan]

Partnering with PG county can be revenue for the county and enforcement of the tailgating policy.

[Deadskins]

Partnering with PG county can be revenue for the county and enforcement of the tailgating policy.

And a wood shampoo for uppity tailgaters.

[Wahoo McDaniels]

I am one of the first people to bash the Danny when I get a chance...but depending on the implementation, this actually makes sense. I have had season tickets since FedEx opened and have sold my parking pass in favor of the open lot across from Landover Mall over the past 3 years because parking at the Stadium is such a joke. Not only do you have to deal with the ridiculous bottlenecks getting out of the stadium (which you don't have at the open lot) but also you have the people who tailgate to extremes (take 6 parking spaces and stand out in the middle of already cramped parking areas). No joke, during the Arizona Cardinals game back in 2001 (you'll remember this as the game when Tony Banks got knocked out at middle field and Kent Graham led the Skins to victory in Marty's final game in freezing rain), I watched a guy build an entire house out of 2x4's and plastic with an entire tool set in the back of his car. It extended half way into the main road. I like to tailgate as much as anyone, but I am mindful that there are others who just want to park and get into the stadium.

So why not put all of the people who feel the necessity to take 10 parking spots in a specific area? It will make traffic flow easier next to the stadium for sure. And think, with all the morons running fly patterns in the middle of rows of cars, there's a good chance that they may actually run into each other and knock each other out. Then we don't have to watch a bunch of 40 year old's hopped up on MGD's trying to relive their JV football days.

Once again, I said that it all depends on the implementation. It doesn't sound to me like he's trying to restrict your ability to tailgate, just where it can occur. It doesn't sound like a money grab... but then again it Snyder, and I wouldn't put it past him.

[langleyparkjoe]

BUT... those lazy so and so's that steel money from the Danny by pretending to direct trafic will never be able to pulll this off!

I have never seen any security in the parking lots so this will not even be enforcable.

QFT

They do this same thing at many stadiums (I've recently read that Dallas will also do this at their new stadium) and it's simply meant to enhance the tailgating experience for all and to improve traffic flow. I can attest that they do this at Raymond James stadium in Tampa and it works out fine and no one complains.

I have seen security at the games and why would it be a problem to have the tailgater's who like to pitch a camp site and take up multiple parking spots simply go to the back of the lot? When my friends and I would tailgate in the past, we liked being at the back of the lot anyway. We could spread out more and the trees and bushes were close by for when you needed to... you know, drain the bladder.

What potential problems could surface from directing the "single lot" tailgater's to the front and the "multiple parking spot" tailgater's to the back of the lot? I mean, why are these new parking procedures such a problem?

I wasn't commenting on the policy. I was agreeing with the statement about the "security" personnel that work at FedEx, who are for the most part lazy and incompetent. That is why I don't think that this policy will have any actual impact, because security at FedEx is worthless already so I doubt that they will actually put in the effort in to enforce this new policy.

Hey man, leave those guys alone.. i'm able to bring in 6 packs (in all my pockets with my belt super duper tight) every game.. leave um alone man!!!

[CanesSkins26]

BUT... those lazy so and so's that steel money from the Danny by pretending to direct trafic will never be able to pulll this off!

I have never seen any security in the parking lots so this will not even be enforcable.

QFT

They do this same thing at many stadiums (I've recently read that Dallas will also do this at their new stadium) and it's simply meant to enhance the tailgating experience for all and to improve traffic flow. I can attest that they do this at Raymond James stadium in Tampa and it works out fine and no one complains.

I have seen security at the games and why would it be a problem to have the tailgater's who like to pitch a camp site and take up multiple parking spots simply go to the back of the lot? When my friends and I would tailgate in the past, we liked being at the back of the lot anyway. We could spread out more and the trees and bushes were close by for when you needed to... you know, drain the bladder.

What potential problems could surface from directing the "single lot" tailgater's to the front and the "multiple parking spot" tailgater's to the back of the lot? I mean, why are these new parking procedures such a problem?

I wasn't commenting on the policy. I was agreeing with the statement about the "security" personnel that work at FedEx, who are for the most part lazy and incompetent. That is why I don't think that this policy will have any actual impact, because security at FedEx is worthless already so I doubt that they will actually put in the effort in to enforce this new policy.

Hey man, leave those guys alone.. i'm able to bring in 6 packs (in all my pockets with my belt super duper tight) every game.. leave um alone man!!!

Haha I agree. It's super easy to sneak in beers, flasks, etc. into that Stadium.

[SkinsFreak]

Hey man, leave those guys alone.. i'm able to bring in 6 packs (in all my pockets with my belt super duper tight) every game.. leave um alone man!!!

Haha I agree. It's super easy to sneak in beers, flasks, etc. into that Stadium.

Alright, you both have been reported to the proper authorities.

[VetSkinsFan]

Hey man, leave those guys alone.. i'm able to bring in 6 packs (in all my pockets with my belt super duper tight) every game.. leave um alone man!!!

Haha I agree. It's super easy to sneak in beers, flasks, etc. into that Stadium.

Alright, you both have been reported to the proper authorities.

Danny, is that you? I know you're hurtin' with charging more for 1 beer than you can buy a 6pack in the store for, but can't we let them off with a warning and a dirty look? Just this one time?

[SkinsFreak]

NO!

[Redskin in Canada]

I am one of the first people to bash the Danny when I get a chance...but depending on the implementation, this actually makes sense. ...

Snyder basher!

Actually, this is a small potatoes issue. This new policy has been magnified and criticised partly because the issue could have been handled in a much better manner by the Public Relations side of the organization and partly because the relationship between the Skins and the media is terrible.

Some people will be affected but if the organization wanted to do something REALLY meaningful to improve the logistics in the parking lot, they could do three things:

1. Improve the logistics and access routes (mainly by car but other means of public transportation, mainly subway) in and out of FedEx;

2. Stop scalping their own parking permits;

3. Give equal and easy car access treatment to all fans regardless of their ticket status. Platinum ticket teatment is discriminatory. A wealthier fan is not necessarily a better fan. In fact, it most often is a corporate attendant and not a fan at all.

And no, I have NEVER broken the rules about bringing goodies into FedEx.

[CanesSkins26]

An interesting take on the new tailgating policies. Some very valid points.

Why Redskins Tailgaters Are Still Worried

I continue to get frequent e-mails from folks on both sides of Tailgate-Gate; supporters of Change in '09!, who think their commute into the 17th spot of the 39th row of the Green Lot will now be easier, and opponents of change, who think their traditions will be spiked like so many jugs of Hawaiian Punch. I haven't been printing these thoughts, but I'll make an exception for Ted Abela, whose tailgate I've frequently attended and written about over the years. Ted and friends get to FedEx way before dawn, set up shop on a main artery, and create a fairly elaborate buffet line, complete with veggie meat products (for those so inclined) and fried dough (for the grateful world).

Ted remains concerned about what will happen to his tailgate in the new world, and I agreed to let him explain why. If you give me veggie burgers, you can do the same. You can read more at the Save Tailgating petition, at Tailgating Ideas and at Tailgate Lot. Ted writes:

I've been tailgating at Fedex Field for 10-plus years. I haven't missed a home game in 10-plus years, and I haven't missed a tailgate in 10-plus years. The Washington Redskins' new Parking/Tailgate Policy will make me end this streak.

The new policy is intended to direct individual tailgaters to the rear of the lot if they plan on tailgating and occupying more than one space. The extra space could eventually be requested back when all of the other locations are filled--fans "will be allowed to occupy two spaces until required for additional vehicles," according to the policy. Patrons that have a small tailgate and that do not require more than their individual space will be directed to the front of the lot. Patrons that are not tailgating at all will also be directed to the front of the lot.

It has long been the Redskins' policy to only allow tailgaters to occupy one parking space. The parking passes we purchase for each game clearly state at the top "THIS PARKING PASS IS VALID FOR ONE VEHICLE ONLY. NOT TAILGATE SPACE". Yes, people do not always follow the rules, but those tailgaters seem to be the minority. Why is the majority being punished for what the minority is doing? If the team could simply enforce a policy that has been around for years, then none of this would be a problem. I acknowledge that the parking situation is not ideal, but that is because the old policy has never been enforced fully.

Over the past 10 years that I've been tailgating at FedEx, I've met a lot of interesting people. Some of these people, I've only met once. Others were only around for one or two seasons, but the majority of them I've known for 10 years and counting. I can tell you what day Mike's and Pam's birthdays are, and I make sure to send them cards every year. I know that Craig's wife just had a beautiful baby boy. I know that Charlie's son is going to go to Virginia Tech in the fall. I received Chris's family vacation pictures from the Pro Football Hall of Fame last year when Art and Darrell were inducted.

I invite each of them to my offseason BBQs so we can talk about how we think the team will do this upcoming season. We give each other Christmas presents, which we exchange the game before Christmas or the game after, depending on the schedule. We've organized away game trips to Baltimore and Carolina so we can cheer on our team in enemy territory. We've planned playoff trips to Tampa Bay and Seattle so we can support the Redskins during their postseason runs. The new policy will kill what we have built as a Redskins family.

If we are told where each car should individually park, then that means if Mike gets there 45 minutes after me, he will be placed in a different location of the lot where someone with an orange flag tells him to go. It means that Julie has to carry three ten-pound bags of ice halfway across the parking lot just to meet up with her regular tailgate group because she got stuck in traffic and arrived an hour later then everyone else. It means that everyone's extended Redskins family will be broken up and divided, because a handful of people didn't follow the rules.

When the new policy goes into effect, legendary tailgates such as The Gate C Crew, The Four C's, The DTC, Area 51, Extreme Skins, Redskinsheads, FdaCowboys and many more will be disbanded and moved to various random locations throughout the lots. Why do these Redskins fans have to be splintered all across FedEx Field because a couple of bad eggs didn't follow policy and procedure in the past?

I'm lucky enough to have been able to watch a game and tailgate at RFK. It was an amazing atmosphere. You could feel the history and camaraderie as soon as you drove under that small tunnel into the lot where everyone was honking their horns and singing Hail to the Redskins. I usually go to four or five away games a year and I get to see how other team's fans support their franchises, and I'm a little jealous. I don't feel we have that at FedEx Field yet but we are close. I'm scared that if this new policy goes into effect, the atmosphere that we have been so desperately trying to recreate since RFK will be forever gone.

I'm asking that Mr. Snyder and the Redskins organization please not tear apart my Redskins family that I cried with in 2007 during the Buffalo Bills tailgate, after Sean Taylor passed away. Let us park next to our friends and family as long as we all have the appropriate color parking passes and are not taking up more than one space. Please follow through on Rule D of the old policy, which states, "The failure of any person to obey instruction, direction or request of parking lot personnel or stadium signage, or the violation of management's rules and regulations, may cause eviction from the parking lot at management's discretion, or forfeiture and cancellation of this parking pass, without compensation."

Let us park where we want to park in the lots, and then have the parking staff funnel cars to empty locations from the front of the lot to the back two hours before kickoff. Please reconsider these changes for the good of the fan base.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/06/why_redskins_tailgaters_are_st.html

[VetSkinsFan]

...and this is the primary concern i've heard, even after the whole new policy has been released. I'm not a season ticket holder and never have been, but depending on how this new policyis actually implemetned and enforced will depend on if I am going to even put my name on the list. If I DO decide to be a season ticket holder, I will be a tailgater. The pre-game (and with concerts, too) are almost if not just as important as the game itself to some people.