why do people hate The Danny...? (he's screwing tradition)

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:49 am

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/06/the_redskins_new_tailgating_po.html

Basically, you can only tailgate at the back of the lots now. :lol:

What a jerk.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:07 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/06/the_redskins_new_tailgating_po.html

Basically, you can only tailgate at the back of the lots now. What a jerk.

Daniel Snyder is nothing like Al Davis. Al Davis once knew football. Al Davis also has three SuperBowl rings. Daniel Snyder cannot even compare to Al Davis. Anyhow...

But, yeah what a jerk for making these new policies for tailgating. Tailgating is one of the best things to look forward to at the game. Just the thought of hot links, brats, burgers, steaks or what have you makes the experience that much better. Now he is making tailgaters move to the back. How much of this nonsense are the fans going to take before there is a revolt? Chances are the fans will just take it, because they love the team.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:09 am

Ya know, not two hours ago, I was thinking to myself that I need to start coordinating my funds for Redskins season. After reading this <insert applicable prior service & construction worker explicatives>, I think I'll just put that money towards my man-cave fund. Talk about whacked.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:21 am

Why would they do this??

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:24 am

The Redskins thank you for your cooperation in helping to make tailgating fun and enjoyable for all fans.

How is this supposed to help "make tailgating fun and enjoyable for all fans"? We may have the owner who is most out-of-touch with his own fan base. Any time there is news from the Redskins' offices that affects fans, it is always (a) another jack-up in prices for games, parking, etc., (b) some new unpleasant policy fans will have to put up with, or (c) a ridiculous marketing scheme that few, if any fans, could ever care about.

Case in point: the last two news items that affect fans were this story (b), and the EXCITING NEW PARTNERSHIP(tm) between the Skins and a lottery company(?!?) (c).

Wake me up when the Danny makes games more affordable, easier to get to, more secure, more amenable to fan community and fun, more rewarding of fan loyalty, less predatory, less commercialized, or any other action that any owner with any sense of improving the fan experience would take. Tailgating a mile away and out of sight of the few FedEx security guards, scratching off my new $20 lottery tickets, and standing behind a concrete column that blocks half the field just isn't doing it for me. Go figure.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:29 am

Reason #837 why I am happy to have turned in my season tickets.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:32 am

The entire franchise needs to be boycotted... It'd be awesome if all the fans refused to enter the stadium on opening day. Honestly, I'd drive down for that. Just to protest.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:37 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:Ya know, not two hours ago, I was thinking to myself that I need to start coordinating my funds for Redskins season. After reading this <insert applicable prior service & construction worker explicatives>, I think I'll just put that money towards my man-cave fund. Talk about whacked.

Definitely the better investment. If I had $2-3k to spend, I know I'd much rather have a great, comfortable place to watch the game (plus good food and beer) over the FedEx Field experience.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:42 am

JansenFan wrote:Reason #837 why I am happy to have turned in my season tickets.

And that's the sad thing, because it's fans like you (and many others here at THN) that would make FedEx a rockin' place to be. I guess we can expect half the stadium to be wearing purple / black / blue / whatever the next time we play a team whose fans travel well.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:45 pm

So happy that I passed on season tickets this season. What a joke. The FedEx Field experience is pretty lousy to begin with (horrible traffic, bad security, etc.) and this just makes it that much worse.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:48 pm

How much of this nonsense are the fans going to take before there is a revolt? Chances are the fans will just take it, because they love the team.

If I had to guess, I think that most fans are going to ignore this new policy. It's so utterly stupid that most fans will just blow it off. Plus the security at FedEx is such a joke that I doubt anyone will even try to enforce it.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:04 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
How much of this nonsense are the fans going to take before there is a revolt? Chances are the fans will just take it, because they love the team.

If I had to guess, I think that most fans are going to ignore this new policy. It's so utterly stupid that most fans will just blow it off. Plus the security at FedEx is such a joke that I doubt anyone will even try to enforce it.

That's if they don't negotiate with PG county. I don't like to deal with PG county.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:19 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't like to deal with PG county.

QFT
I could tell you stories.

Also, please define "the last few rows" for me. Is that three, four, 20? And isn't "the last" relative to which end of the parking lot you are standing in?

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:24 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
How much of this nonsense are the fans going to take before there is a revolt? Chances are the fans will just take it, because they love the team.

If I had to guess, I think that most fans are going to ignore this new policy. It's so utterly stupid that most fans will just blow it off. Plus the security at FedEx is such a joke that I doubt anyone will even try to enforce it.

That's if they don't negotiate with PG county. I don't like to deal with PG county.

Good point. PG is the worst.

Jeff Rhodes · Post by **Jeff Rhodes** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:42 pm

Admittedly, I live 3,000 miles away from FedEx Field. And not having attended a Redskin game in DC since the 1960s, my impressions of Snyder are not likely to be shaped by the in-person fan experience. But I read the team press release about this move (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcspor ... gatin.html) and, frankly, I don't get the hostility at all.

Nowhere in the release or in Steinberg's blog does anyone suggest the team is making this move to bleed more money out of the fans or discourage tailgating. In fact, it's the product of a study conducted by an independent consultant about how to improve traffic flow in the parking lot — something that's been a source of much anguish since the stadium first opened, or so I'm told. And since the vast majority of those attending games don't tailgate, a policy that favors their interests while still respecting somewhat the feelings of those who do is not only sensible but democratic.

No offense, but what we have here is the Post pre-emptively bashing Dan Snyder — and presumably knowledgeable Redskin fans jumping aboard simply because they've been conditioned to do so.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:02 pm

Jeff Rhodes wrote:Admittedly, I live 3,000 miles away from FedEx Field. And not having attended a Redskin game in DC since the 1960s, my impressions of Snyder are not likely to be shaped by the in-person fan experience. But I read the team press release about this move (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcspor ... gatin.html) and, frankly, I don't get the hostility at all.

Nowhere in the release or in Steinberg's blog does anyone suggest the team is making this move to bleed more money out of the fans or discourage tailgating. In fact, it's the product of a study conducted by an independent consultant about how to improve traffic flow in the parking lot — something that's been a source of much anguish since the stadium first opened, or so I'm told. And since the vast majority of those attending games don't tailgate, a policy that favors their interests while still respecting somewhat the feelings of those who do is not only sensible but democratic.

No offense, but what we have here is the Post pre-emptively bashing Dan Snyder — and presumably knowledgeable Redskin fans jumping aboard simply because they've been conditioned to do so.

I agree with the first part, but not the second part of your final sentence.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:03 pm

Here's a non-blog post about it.

The Washington Redskins will restrict large tailgate parties in the FedEx Field parking lots this season, limiting tailgates using more than one parking space to "the back" of parking lots, according to a release from the team. The team also said that drivers of all vehicles will be directed to specific areas of the lots instead of being allowed to choose their own.

"The most significant new procedure will have parking attendants directing fans who wish to tailgate in more than one space to the back of lots, where they will be allowed to occupy two spaces until required for additional vehicles." the team said. "Fans who wish to only park, or tailgate within their single parking spot, will be directed to the front of lots, filling the lot from front to back.

Ok, that makes a lot more sense.

Summary from the Washington Times:

In short, the changes are as follows:

- If you want to tailgate using more than one parking spot, you have to park in the back of the parking lots.

- If you want to just park, or tailgate using a single parking spot, you can park anywhere but will be asked to park as close to the front of the lots as possible.

- Tailgating is still permitted everywhere, except in the Platinum lots.

- There is a new lot, the "Gray Lot" off Landover Road.

- The team says it has added 3,000 new spaces.

- The Redskins will no longer be in the cash parking business, citing the fact that there are plenty of other private operators in the area.

Sounds just awful, doesn't it? He's screwing with tradition by not letting people take up more than 1 parking space at the front of the stadium parking lot!

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:07 pm

This has been blown waaaay out of proportion. They've done this at many stadiums, but what did they actually do... from Redskins.com

A new FedExField parking lot will be opened for thousands of Washington Redskins fans with the onset of the 2009 season, the team announced June 22. Additionally, new post-game traffic patterns and parking policies will be implemented to improve traffic flow in parking lots and on stadium roads.

“We expect to have more tailgaters than ever,” said Mitch Gershman, the Redskins’ Chief Operating Officer. “Those who want to meet with their friends will have more space, and those who want to simply park will find it easier to do so.”

Opening of the new Gray lot off of Landover Road will now allow all fans with season parking the ability to park in lots on FedExField property, within sight and walking distance of the stadium.

Nearly 3,000 new parking spaces were added to the stadium property.

The new lot was opened and traffic patterns revised after extensive review by an outside consulting firm, as well as benchmarking with other major stadiums around the country.

The most significant new procedure will have parking attendants directing fans who wish to tailgate in more than one space to the back of lots, where they will be allowed to occupy two spaces until required for additional vehicles. Fans who wish to only park, or tailgate within their single parking spot, will be directed to the front of lots, filling the lot from front to back.

Tailgating is permitted in all lots, except Platinum. Platinum lot parkers who choose to tailgate will be provided passes for Purple lots.

"Everyone who wants to tailgate should be able to tailgate. We absolutely believe that," Gershman said. "This is designed to improve the experience for fans who want to tailgate.

"Our outside consultant analyzed the flow on roads and in the parking lots at FedExField, with cameras recording the traffic patterns. What we found was that when tailgaters spread into multiple spaces, it caused congestion in the lots, and resulted in inconvenience to everyone--the fans tailgating and the fans who were just looking to park in their assigned lots."

The team will no longer maintain game day, cash parking lots since there are numerous private operators in the stadium vicinity providing the service.

During post-game congestion periods, cars exiting lots will be directed to dedicated traffic lanes, a procedure that has been in effect for pre-game traffic for several years.

The team is also in discussions with Prince George’s County officials on the possibility of making traffic one-way leading to the Beltway during peak post-game congestion around the stadium, amongst other changes that can improve the game day experience.

The team also announced that it has enhanced its in-stadium text alert system.

Introduced last year for the first full season, the text system allows fans to use their cell phones or PDAs to conveniently alert stadium officials to any concerns or unruly behavior in their sections.

The team has added more stadium ushers, and will dedicate more senior-level staff to manage and monitor the system, and direct the appropriate response to any situation.

“Like other stadiums, we found that fans consider this system a true enhancement to their game day experience,” Gershman said. “It helps us get maintenance, security or medical staff moving faster and more efficiently if the need arises.”

The Redskins will also introduce electronic scanning of tickets, ending the practice of “ripping” tickets as fans enter the stadium and allowing greater flexibility in tracking seat use.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:15 pm

- The Redskins will no longer be in the cash parking business, citing the fact that there are plenty of other private operators in the area.

Awesome. As if security isn't already bad enough in the lots.

Jeff Rhodes · Post by **Jeff Rhodes** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:35 pm

>>I agree with the first part, but not the second part of your final sentence.<<

Which part of the second part? Do you agree Redskin fans are knowledgeable but easily stampeded by media that demonize everything Dan Snyder says, or is it the other way around?

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:38 pm

Jeff Rhodes wrote:>>I agree with the first part, but not the second part of your final sentence.<<

Which part of the second part? Do you agree Redskin fans are knowledgeable but easily stampeded by media that demonize everything Dan Snyder says, or is it the other way around?

I disagreed with your assumption that fans here are "jumping aboard simply because they've been conditioned to do so."

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:57 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:Wake me up when the Danny makes games more affordable, easier to get to, . Tailgating a mile away and out of sight of the few FedEx security guards, scratching off my new $20 lottery tickets, and standing behind a concrete column that blocks half the field just isn't doing it for me. Go figure.

I'm not going to deffend this, but it is supposed to make the games easier to get to. I had never experienced any problems getting to the stadium untill turning off of Central Ave. If you have ever been to Disney and watch the proffessionals there park cars you'll know, if done right this will greatly speed up cars getting into the parking lots.

BUT... those lazy so and so's that steel money from the Danny by pretending to direct trafic will never be able to pulll this off!

I have never seen any security in the parking lots so this will not even be enforcable.

They said you could tailgate anywhere you want, as long as you are not taking up another spot. If you want to use up another spot you must do it in the last two rows, where most tailgate any way.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:44 pm

The title of this thread should read... "Why do people jump to conclusions before they know the facts?"

These changes are meant to enhance and broaden the tailgating experience for all.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:03 pm

Deadskins wrote:
Jeff Rhodes wrote:>>I agree with the first part, but not the second part of your final sentence.<<

Which part of the second part? Do you agree Redskin fans are knowledgeable but easily stampeded by media that demonize everything Dan Snyder says, or is it the other way around?

I disagreed with your assumption that fans here are "jumping aboard simply because they've been conditioned to do so."

Actually, I completely understand what Jeff Rhodes is saying. He's not saying that every fan here does that, but many jump on the Snyder bash-wagon long before the true facts are disclosed, and it does come off as if they're doing it because they've been conditioned to do so. I mean the Post is bad enough, but at least Dan Steinberg ended his article with... "But I guess we should withhold judgment until we hear exactly why this is happening." Not here. Folks don't understand something, so instead of looking or waiting for the logical answer, they don't understand it so they'll just discredit it altogether and bash away. And this is just another perfect example. These new procedures are actually a good thing, but let's jump to conclusions before we know the whole story so we can bash Snyder once again. :roll:

(The last past isn't directed at you Deadskins, but just in general.)

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:04 pm

U can change it. Lol

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