Redskins Cut Jon Jansen

[Countertrey]

Deadskins said:

then he had to get his own flight back home.

I don't see that in the article. Redskins one has to be parked somewhere... "the airport" seems as likely a place as any. If your postulation is true, then I would have a problem with that too... but, I don't see anything in that article that suggests he had to find his own way home... do you?

There's plenty to take issue with the Danny about... but fair is fair...

[Cappster]

Might have something to do with the contract that you are speaking of was restructured last year

But even with the restructure last year, he has only received a total of $9.25 million in bonuses, and they have already counted two years on the first bonus and one year on the second. The $6.18 million number has been reported in more than one place and fits right in with the reported contract.

He got his money but when he signed his new deal but that money was spread out over the duration of the contract.

The report that there is a roster bonus due July 1 and a workout bonus helps make sense of timing of this move.

I can debate this all day but I don't have time so I'll bail out all your sources, you can go with their numbers ($6.18M), if you want just remember what I posted earlier (without rounding off)....

This years cap hit was $5.016M, the Dead Cap is $10.998M that's $$5.982M more. If you take "your" $6.188M and subtract the cap savings for him not receiving this years bonus money (that wasn't part of the $10M guaranteed in 2007) or about $.150M (more likely $.172M) you're at right around $5.9M/$6.0M.

In other words your "sources" should be reporting reporting that Jansen adds a additional $6.188M to the cap (Really $5,98M), and you could call it accurate. I guessthree words take a long time when typing with one finger on each hand when you want to be the first to put the numbers out or yuo have a deadline

Jon's cap hit this was a little more than $5M while cutting him added almost $11M to the dead cap so the bottom line is this move cost just over $5.98M than it would to have kept him

I just can't get past this. How does this make sense?

If we had a lot of cap room to sign somebody to replace Jansen, I would understand, but we're up against the cap limit aren't we?

They must think his replacement is already on the roster and with the extra $997,000 added to the cap this month it was just time.

I hear this was the first of Jim Zorn moves that might some on this board... I hope it's true

Again, you are smart. Jansen counts a lot against the cap, but the organization must think a lot of someone we already have to cut Jansen at this point of the off season. I wish him well, but I believe we must have better talent on the team than to take this kind of cap hit for nothing.

[Deadskins]

Deadskins said:

then he had to get his own flight back home.

I don't see that in the article. Redskins one has to be parked somewhere... "the airport" seems as likely a place as any. If your postulation is true, then I would have a problem with that too... but, I don't see anything in that article that suggests he had to find his own way home... do you?

There's plenty to take issue with the Danny about... but fair is fair...

No, it didn't say that expressly in the article, but that was the image that flashed through my mind. I just found it funny. And if he was in The Danny's limo on the way back to Redskin 1, that's a pretty funny place to do an interview about how you were just cut.

[DEHog]

Going way back to the initial post, I'll keep the name. I'm still a Jansen Fan. If he stays in the division, I'll put that on hiatus until he doesn't and then he will hopefully take the deal to retire as a Redskin and I can take it off hold. He's given a lot to this organization through some pretty tough times, and for that I'm grateful.

He signed a 1 year deal in Detroit

[Countertrey]

Going way back to the initial post, I'll keep the name. I'm still a Jansen Fan. If he stays in the division, I'll put that on hiatus until he doesn't and then he will hopefully take the deal to retire as a Redskin and I can take it off hold. He's given a lot to this organization through some pretty tough times, and for that I'm grateful.

He signed a 1 year deal in Detroit

Someone was going to pick him up... glad it was close to home... and not in the NFC East...

[Californiaskin]

good riddence.............our line is better now that fricken Jon "broke down" Jansen and Pete"I cant block a lick" Kendall are gone........

Anyone thinking those jokers could start and or contribute anywhere else are crazy!

I was frankley sick of the Jansen crutch last year.......

[BearSkins]

good riddence.............our line is better now that fricken Jon "broke down" Jansen and Pete"I cant block a lick" Kendall are gone........

Anyone thinking those jokers could start and or contribute anywhere else are crazy!

I was frankley sick of the Jansen crutch last year.......

Wow. Way to treat a pretty good redskin. Sure, best days are gone bu still....no need to beat the guy down like that.

[Californiaskin]

ya-
ur right bearskin..........jansen was a good pick for us 10 years ago.... but the reality is hes broke down........and pete kendall sucked.........and we used jansen as a crutch and paid for it and now our team is better cuz he and pete kendall are no longer on the roster and younger better players have a chance to contribute.........
Im not crying a river about it......dude was washed up 3 years ago.......time to move on......cya........id rather give his reps to williams or whatever.....get a couple udfa's and give them a shot cuz they have a better chance of helping the team win...........

[Gibbs4Life]

This all speaks to a larger issue for our team. We are getting older and less effective at critical positions and don't have the quality depth to replace them specifically at OL and WR.

I bet Jansen has a great year, and probably a great game against us.

I'm starting to see Jim Zorn more as a salesman than a Leader of Men; I mean if he was the offensive genius we hired him to be would we have seen the failure we saw in the 2nd half of last season? No. He rode the last of Joe Gibbs hard work for 8 games and when it was time for great coaching we got nothing. HC is our biggest area of need right now.

[VetSkinsFan]

Why the hatred on Jansen? He's been a leader and overcome more physical adversity than most of us know. He's moved on, so the haters can be happy...why gloat?


I wish him good fortune and I hope the bridge hasn't been burned where he won't retire a Redskin.

[Chris Luva Luva]

.....Im worried....

[SkinsJock]

me too! There are many here who are trying to insist that things are all right and while we have some issues on offense the defense that we will see (I mean it's a given, right ) will help overcome any offensive issues - we have no plan people That and the fact that we all can be sure that Campbell is going to have a great year this year despite our offensive line

I'm very worried - it's only June and I'm still not as convinced as most here that this team has people in charge of bringing in players that not only can play well but will make the other players around them better like most teams do during the off season.

Someone, please explain how this move helps our offensive line, thanks?

[SkinsJock]

I think Jon Jansen is one of the classiest leaders we have had here.

[yupchagee]

yeah im a little shocked, I think it was supposed to cost us more to cut him than keep him. (Hopefully I am wrong about this)

It looks like cutting him will count $6.188 Million, while keeping him would have cost $3.413 million. So it eats an additional $2.775 million of the cap, if my numbers are right.

Jon's cap hit this was a little more than $5M while cutting him added almost $11M to the dead cap so the bottom line is this move cost just over $5.98M than it would to have kept him

Got to wonder why they did this now. The only reason that makes any sense is if Jansen looked absolutely terrible. Even if Williams or Heyer looks fantastic, you keep Jansen for depth in case of injury during training camp.

They also have Bridges competing for the RT spot, if he loose out he'd be good depth with prior starting experience and he also plays Guard. With the two you mentioned that's three that's started in the past.

They'll carry 9 or 10 linemen on the final roster. If you figure at least one player gets hurt during training camp, the only way this makes sense is if they have at least 11 players better than Jansen.

Not counting the Red Snapper they are now one lineman short of a dozen

I count 14 on roster.

[PulpExposure]

Why the hatred on Jansen? He's been a leader and overcome more physical adversity than most of us know. He's moved on, so the haters can be happy...why gloat?


I wish him good fortune and I hope the bridge hasn't been burned where he won't retire a Redskin.

I don't get it, either. He clearly (imho) wasn't worth the money he counted against the cap...and they presumably cut him to clear some of his rather substantial cap number off the books for next year (or the year after). However, the guy was a true Redskin, a leader on and off the field. And he taped Patrick Ramsey to the goalpost back in the day.

Best of luck, Jon.

[Deadskins]

Someone, please explain how this move helps our offensive line, thanks?

"As we watched minicamp and [organized team activities]," Zorn said, "it became evident for me and talking with [line coach] Joe Bugel and [offensive coordinator] Sherman Lewis that it was best to take him out of the mix. And I couldn’t come to grips with him backing up [other positions] and taking away reps from younger guys.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sport ... 72752.html

Not saying I agree, but...

[Hoss]

Jansen is nothing but class. I wish him the best.

[Jake]

I still feel pretty bad about this move. I think he kind of got screwed in this move and now it gets even worse since he went to Detroit.

I knew he was going to go there when we cut him. It's too convenient considering he lives there in the offseason and that's where he was from.

[redskins14ru]

ya Jansens been a pretty good dude to watch over the years, I don't know about how he fairs as a top lineman over the years, well I could not say, myself......
He had good years and great toughness, always fun to watch and held his own, Can't wait to see how the line response to the move overall, Heyer seems like he may anchor the RT spot but Williams is a big dude with the way the offenses is looking, who ever prevailes at that RT spot will need to really step up and make it worth it, thats all

[JansenFan]

The Detroit move isn't terrible. He played at Michigan, he lives in Michigan in the off-season. He's close to family. At this point in his career, he can see his family and still play. Here's hoping he plays great, has fun and retires a Redskin.

Oh, and Californiaskin, I think Kendall played fairly well. He just can't pull. I don't get the "can't block a lick" comment. He was the least penalized and gave up the fewest number of sacks. I can't remember where I saw those stats, but other than the fluke reception/fumble and not being able to pull, I think of him as pretty good.

[NJ-SKINS-FAN]

did he have that contract ready while on the plane? tampering?

[1niksder]

I just can't get past this. How does this make sense?
If we had a lot of cap room to sign somebody to replace Jansen, I would understand, but we're up against the cap limit aren't we?

1niksder knows these things a lot better than I but from what I remember, we have cut 3 of our top 10 recently in Taylor, Springs and now Jansen.
So, no. I do not think this has anything to do with cap issues.

Looks like a lot of the money that was reported as "guaranteed bonus money" was roster bonus which isn't guaranteed. In other words

It looks like cutting him will count $6.188 Million, while keeping him would have cost $3.413 million. So it eats an additional $2.775 million of the cap, if my numbers are right.

was closer to the numbers I've now then what I had this time yesterday. In fact I now have his original issue (His number is too high )
I'm somewhere between $5.883M and $6.033M. According to my spreadsheet (not the info on the main site, as I've consumed the $3.460M rookie pool and none of that money has been spent (I do this for other reasons)) has just under a half million in cap space today (last night it was in the red, which is why i did more digging). They had to consider the cap when dealing with a contract of this size, looks like they were considering the 2010 cap if there will be one. The Redskins generally like to go into the season with around $2m in space for injuries settlements and the like. So there be more "shockers" to come.

Someone, please explain how this move helps our offensive line, thanks?

IMO it's a move that we as Redskins fans should be proud of...

First of all the O-line wasn't addressed during the draft but the FO picked up a lot of URFA offensive line man this off-season then raided the University of Maryland's UDFA. This is after the Head Hog went though all he did and still came back this year (knowing what he had to work with). That means he (a JJG original) likes what he had to work with (prior to the draft) and more importantly he likes the guy he is working for (I'm speaking of Zorn not "the Danny"). This was Zorn's call but JB was a big part of it.

Second: Jansen had to be the low man on the list across the board as he was attempting to work as a backup center (the same thing he flat out refused to do this time last year), although the switch to backup guard would be less of a adjustment. Could this mean the he was on par with the young linemen on the roster in addition to the veteran tackles he should have been competing against.

Lastly, this was a move to make the team better, as JZ said keeping Jansen would have taken snaps away from guys they think they can develop at center and maybe even the tackle spot. It also makes it younger. If either Williams or Bridges makes the roster they knock 4 years off the at that spot.

The best thing about this (although JJ will always be a Redskin to me) is Zorn made a move that wasn't cap friendly and made "the Danny" understand the need to do it now. Not only did they avoid paying meaningless workout and/or roster bonus money, they decided not to take the chance that a 10 year vet might get injured in this weeks OTA and be looked in for what would have been roughly $4M on a player that would even be starting in not injured. Taking the cap hit and the logic I think is behind it is the first sign that i've seen that this might be Jim Zorn's team.

"the Danny's" motto according to some has always been Cap be Damn", why can't Zorn take the same opinion?

[Deadskins]

The Detroit move isn't terrible. He played at Michigan, he lives in Michigan in the off-season. He's close to family. At this point in his career, he can see his family and still play. Here's hoping he plays great, has fun and retires a Redskin.

Oh, and Californiaskin, I think Kendall played fairly well. He just can't pull. I don't get the "can't block a lick" comment. He was the least penalized and gave up the fewest number of sacks. I can't remember where I saw those stats, but other than the fluke reception/fumble and not being able to pull, I think of him as pretty good.

Agree with all of that.

[1niksder]

The Detroit move isn't terrible. He played at Michigan, he lives in Michigan in the off-season. He's close to family. At this point in his career, he can see his family and still play. Here's hoping he plays great, has fun and retires a Redskin.

Oh, and Californiaskin, I think Kendall played fairly well. He just can't pull. I don't get the "can't block a lick" comment. He was the least penalized and gave up the fewest number of sacks. I can't remember where I saw those stats, but other than the fluke reception/fumble and not being able to pull, I think of him as pretty good.

Agree with all of that.

Same here

[Skinsfan55]

I've always really liked Jansen, not only was he a quality player but he was such a leader who was always on TV talking football. We probably haven't seen the last of him. Good luck in Detroit Jon.