Team Rankings by ESPN - SI and others

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu May 28, 2009 1:17 pm

05/27/09 3:48 PM EDT
The Redskins love to fancy themselves a certain way, trotting out Super Bowl trophies for news conferences (after removing the 18 years of dust, of course), talking about things like Redskins grades for draft picks.

That's their reality.

Then there's that of others, who naturally view a franchise that hasn't won more than 10 games in 18 years in a different way.

Look at a couple offseason ratings of players by position. The Redskins don't rate highly. In some cases the ratings are comical. In other cases they're telling.

Take one that appeared on Sports Illustrated's Web site Tuesday, ranking the backfields of all 32 teams. Washington, with Jason Campbell and Clinton Portis, checked in at 26th.

Behind Denver with Kyle Orton and a rookie running back. Behind Tampa Bay with Byron Leftwich and anybody. Behind San Francisco with Shaun Hill and Frank Gore. Behind three unproven New York Jets quarterbacks and Thomas Jones.

Campbell isn't a Pro Bowler, but he's closer than Hill, and Campbell's athleticism and arm strength give him more to offer than Leftwich.

But the ratings by Sporting News today, using a team of former NFL scouts is more telling. Only one Redskin rated in the top five at their position -- defensive tackle Albert Hayneworth was considered the top player at his spot.

Other than that, a lot of low numbers. Portis was the sixth-rated running back; Chris ey the eight-rated tight end; DeAngelo Hall was the No. 8 corner; Chris Samuels the 10th-rated tackle.

And those are the Pro Bowlers.

You can argue with ey's rating. Put him in Dallas Clark's situation (No. 3 ranked tight end) in Indianapolis and it's hard to imagine ey not putting up the same numbers. Or better.

And a few other surprises: fullback Mike Sellers was not included among the top 10 at his position. That's because he's viewed as one-dimensional and, though tough, not the smartest of players.

There were no defensive ends in the top 20 nor any outside linebackers. London Fletcher was the 14th-ranked inside linebacker, which is about right considering the rise of the 3-4 and the fact that he's slowing down.

Others ranked: quarterback Campbell (18th), safety LaRon Landry (16th) and guard Derrick Dockery (19th).

All of this means nothing. But, for now, it does say a lot.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu May 28, 2009 2:08 pm

London Fletcher was the 14th-ranked inside linebacker, which is about right considering the rise of the 3-4 and the fact that he's slowing down.

What does the rise of the 3-4 have to do with anything? London is still one of the best inside LB's playing. 14 is way too low. He has been snubbed for the Pro-Bowl consistently, and is getting long in the tooth, but he still has game. He's top 10 easily.

Tom C · Post by **Tom C** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:29 pm

Has this FOX Sports NFL Franchise ranking been posted?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9601 ... -franchise

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:55 pm

Tom C wrote:Has this FOX Sports NFL Franchise ranking been posted?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9601 ... -franchise

Nope, but can you tell be how Vinny C. and "the Danny" could cause the teams ranking to plummet to the mid 20's

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Thu May 28, 2009 7:32 pm

All of this means nothing. But, for now, it does say a lot.

This sentence tells us all we need to know about the "logic" of whoever wrote this.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:24 pm

Tom C wrote:Has this FOX Sports NFL Franchise ranking been posted?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9601 ... -franchise

Zorn needs time to prove himself but the comments about the Front Office GM/Owner could have been taken out of some of our posts in this board and many other posts from other posters in other Skins boards.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:25 pm

yupchagee wrote:
All of this means nothing. But, for now, it does say a lot.

This sentence tells us all we need to know about the "logic" of whoever wrote this.

I guess the paradox implied in the text is really difficult to figure out, right? :idea:

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Thu May 28, 2009 9:14 pm

Tom C wrote:Has this FOX Sports NFL Franchise ranking been posted?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9601 ... -franchise

They say The Danny makes the Skins ranking plummet, but they give Jerry Jones a 10 for his ownership? What am I missing here?

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Fri May 29, 2009 1:30 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
All of this means nothing. But, for now, it does say a lot.

This sentence tells us all we need to know about the "logic" of whoever wrote this.

I guess the paradox implied in the text is really difficult to figure out, right?

You give him more credit than I do. He probably thinks a paradox is 2 dox.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Fri May 29, 2009 9:31 am

Deadskins wrote:
Tom C wrote:Has this FOX Sports NFL Franchise ranking been posted?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9601 ... -franchise

They say The Danny makes the Skins ranking plummet, but they give Jerry Jones a 10 for his ownership? What am I missing here?

Some people feel that Dan Snyder is easier to hate than Jerry Jones is.

Both are equally awful egomaniac owners who 'think' they know football but the public relations by Jerry is not as bad as Danny's picking up fights against ANY and ALL journalists standing on his sight and beyond. THAT is the difference.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri May 29, 2009 10:06 am

Deadskins wrote:
Tom C wrote:Has this FOX Sports NFL Franchise ranking been posted?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9601 ... -franchise

They say The Danny makes the Skins ranking plummet, but they give Jerry Jones a 10 for his ownership? What am I missing here?

Ugh....how is that even a question? LOL

- A rack of superbowl rings...
- As of late the Pukes have been fielding competent teams. Sure, they choke in the playoffs but there's no denying that they've have talented teams that should have gone further.
- Media access. They love him and Jerry loves them back.
- It's the most lucrative franchise in the league.

Sure Jerry is meddlesome but at least he's upfront and honest about it. Nobody knows what the hell Danny is or is not doing. He's so secluded that people have to theorize about what he's doing. Maybe if he was more transparent and a bit more open, he'd change his perception in the eyes of the public. But he's not and that's why he deserves the hate he gets. Danny made the idiotic moves that bred the hate and after he failed miserably time and time again, he's gone into shutdown mode like a spoiled child. It's up to him to change that mindset and that stigma surrounding him. I'm sorry but putting his love slave aka Vinny in charge of everything just isn't going to cut it. Tough female mammary glands (since this isn't the smack forum).