Gruden replaces Tony K. on ESPN

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon May 18, 2009 12:36 pm

Now this is going to be very interesting - I like Jon and I think he will bring a lot of insight to MNF

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:59 pm

I watched Gruden during the draft and I liked him. I think with some more face time, he'll smooth out and he'll get better. I didn't like Mr K.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:44 pm

My goodness, they're going to have to bleep like mad! lol

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:40 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:My goodness, they're going to have to bleep like mad! lol

so true!

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Mon May 18, 2009 11:14 pm

Almost anyone would be better than Tony K.

IMO he was the second worst NFL broadcaster only behind Bryant Gumble.

At least Bryant stayed with the game...even if he had absolutely no idea what he was broadcasting about.

Gruden can't be much worse.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Tue May 19, 2009 12:20 pm

I liked Joey T.

vwoodzpusha · Post by **vwoodzpusha** » Tue May 19, 2009 12:32 pm

Profootballtalk.com is saying Gruden had a deal in place with NFLN to do color commentary. Apprently all that was left was the signature until ESPN came calling.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:45 pm

When I saw Gruden doing the Draft show, I initially rolled my eyes, thinking, here we go... another tedious, unemployed coach, stinking the place up with boring reparte. Wrong. He was great, and clearly had fun.

I think this is a great call.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Wed May 20, 2009 12:01 am

Dennis Miller was by far the worst. Kornheiser was out of his element, though. Monday Night Football isn't supposed to be funny, which is why those types fail. Madden is funny, but at least he had something to offer football-wise, no matter how simplistic it may have been. Actually, his simplistic analysis was the thing that was so funny.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:26 pm

Well, it's about time that Tony K is gone. I really enjoyed Listening to Gruden during the draft.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Thu May 21, 2009 9:06 am

How about this lineup

Tony K.
Bryant Gumble
Dennis Miller

Now that's an allstar lineup of pure garbage. :lol:

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Thu May 21, 2009 9:08 am

They should broadcast from the pukes training facility!

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:09 am

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Thu May 21, 2009 3:49 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:How about this lineup

Tony K.
Bryant Gumble
Dennis Miller

Now that's an allstar lineup of pure garbage.

Even they were better than Howard Cosell.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Fri May 22, 2009 11:21 am

yupchagee wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:How about this lineup

Tony K.
Bryant Gumble
Dennis Miller

Now that's an allstar lineup of pure garbage.

Even they were better than Howard Cosell.

I never was able to see him cause of my age but his voice always seemed cool to me. I have no idea about his knowledge of the game though, didn't he use to do baseball or something like that too?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:29 pm

ah, yes...

Howard "that little monkey can run" Cosell...

Whom here knows who he was referring to in that quote? (Sorry... You don't count, Welch)

Anyone but Cosell would have been fired.

thedcnative · Post by **thedcnative** » Fri May 22, 2009 7:24 pm

Hasn't that been proven, time and again, that it wasn't a racial slur?

I've seen the old film of Cosell. I always liked his style. He had a command of the language. Yeah, he was an egotist and a pompous ass; but damned if he couldn't call a sporting event.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri May 22, 2009 7:41 pm

thedcnative wrote:Hasn't that been proven, time and again, that it wasn't a racial slur?

I've seen the old film of Cosell. I always liked his style. He had a command of the language. Yeah, he was an egotist and a pompous ass; but damned if he couldn't call a sporting event.

Cosell may have called boxing events ("Down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier"), but, to my knowledge, he never "called" a football game. He provided "color". They are not the same thing. What he provided was dressing to improve ratings. It had nothing to do with presenting quality broadcast. His role was purely to insult Merideth, and improve ratings.

Frankly, I could care less what his "intent" was in the above. How do you prove (or disprove) Howard's intent? What I know is that he said it, and others would have been fired and piloried for it.

Bottom line is, no matter what his intent, it was an incredibly stupid thing to say, especially in light of the times (ask Jimmy the Greek if he feels that he got a fair shake).

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:06 pm

Countertrey wrote:ah, yes...

Howard "that little monkey can run" Cosell...

Whom here knows who he was referring to in that quote? (Sorry... You don't count, Welch)

Anyone but Cosell would have been fired.

Alvin Garret.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Fri May 22, 2009 8:08 pm

Are we talking about Kornheiser?

If so I actually like Kornheiser and Wilbon. I think they have good chemistry and offer a different type of perspective. I actually get tired of hearing the pros talk about football all the time. I like having an outsider or non football pro give there point of view. Even though I think Kornheiser is a former Redskin?
I also liked Woody Paige and Skip Bayless when they did that little show together. It is all entertainment to me when I turn on the tube. We have plenty of guys who get the xs and os. So that is why I like the alternative perspective every now and then.

thedcnative · Post by **thedcnative** » Sun May 24, 2009 11:39 pm

Well, anyway, as far as Kornheiser goes, I wasn't a huge fan of his in the booth; though I do like watching PTI from time to time.