OFFICIAL Washington Redskins Draft Day Discussion.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:19 pm

I dunno, I was preoccupied I guess. I meant Anthony Montgomery

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:26 pm

Hog Heaven · Post by **Hog Heaven** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:27 pm

How about we use this time when we have no picks and all the other teams are preoccupied and sign a vet at LB like Brooks or June to hold the fort down until we can pick a LB in next year's draft or develop a late round pick into a starter... also to help mentor Fincher, Blades and McIntosh.

Wahoo McDaniels · Post by **Wahoo McDaniels** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:38 pm

I was watching the draft and have missed most of the discussions, and while I love the Orakpo pick, this whole draft has cemented my view of the Redskins front office as completely dysfunctional. Here are the reasons:

(1) Why draft 30 seconds after getting on the clock? This is akin to Kramer on Seinfeld not waiting to hear the entire offer from the Coffee company when he was suing them and taking the free lattes for life and not waiting for the "...and $500,000" to come out of the CEO's mouth before yelling out "I'll take it!".

What's the worst thing that happens if you take the entire 10 minutes? Somebody offers you something you can't refuse? There is no downside to waiting.

(2) Why didn't we make a move to get Sanchez? Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a great QB, I think that the Jets may have potentially given up too much and you now have put yourself in a precarious situation with your own starting QB. The Redskins FO have alienated their starter without a contingency plan and has no where else to go.

(3) Leaks....leaks....leaks. From the Haynesworth deal to the chase for Cutler to the Sanchez infatuation, no Front Office talks more for no reason than the Redskins. Why show your hand? You gain nothing from it. You drive up the costs on free agents, you drive up the asking price if you want to move draft picks or make trades and you loose all leverage. This is called bad business management.

So once again, great job....idiots.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:35 pm

MDSKINSFAN wrote:Well he is a Raven now. It sucks not having more than 1 first day pick.

do not fret too much - next year we'll have 2 picks and most likely both in the top 40. That is the main reason I do not want to lose any picks in next year's draft and definetly not either of the first 2.

I could not believe that some were thinking we should give up any level of draft picks for Oher - we are more than 1 player away and need to keep all of our picks - if anything we need to get more picks :wink:

MDSKINSFAN · Post by **MDSKINSFAN** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:37 pm

If Griffin can stay healthy we might have one of the best, if not the best, D-Line in the league.

welch · Post by **welch** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:38 pm

(1) Why draft 30 seconds after getting on the clock? This is akin to Kramer on Seinfeld not waiting to hear the entire offer from the Coffee company when he was suing them and taking the free lattes for life and not waiting for the "...and $500,000" to come out of the CEO's mouth before yelling out "I'll take it!".

What's the worst thing that happens if you take the entire 10 minutes? Somebody offers you something you can't refuse? There is no downside to waiting.

(2) Why didn't we make a move to get Sanchez? Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a great QB, I think that the Jets may have potentially given up too much and you now have put yourself in a precarious situation with your own starting QB. The Redskins FO have alienated their starter without a contingency plan and has no where else to go.

(3) Leaks....leaks....leaks. From the Haynesworth deal to the chase for Cutler to the Sanchez infatuation, no Front Office talks more for no reason than the Redskins. Why show your hand? You gain nothing from it. You drive up the costs on free agents, you drive up the asking price if you want to move draft picks or make trades and you loose all leverage. This is called bad business management.

1. It seems reasonable to draft the DE instantly if he's who you want really badly.

2. Likewise, it seems reasonable not to go after Sanchez. Campbell is a pretty good QB, and not at all the reason the offense had trouble last year. He means consistency. Sanchez would mean that Snyder can't remember his plan more than ten minutes after he's agreed to it. (I suspect, however, that the Redskins just didn't have enough to trade for the rights to Sanchez...)

3. I absolutely agree that the leaks are breath-takingly bad.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:44 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Damn, hate to see the cross town rivals putting it together. They have a franchise QB, a stud tackle, good defensive and offensive lines...

Anyway, we still have those picks so we can work on getting a QB next season.

lol we have a qb you will see soon enough.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:49 pm

welch wrote:
(1) Why draft 30 seconds after getting on the clock? This is akin to Kramer on Seinfeld not waiting to hear the entire offer from the Coffee company when he was suing them and taking the free lattes for life and not waiting for the "...and $500,000" to come out of the CEO's mouth before yelling out "I'll take it!".

What's the worst thing that happens if you take the entire 10 minutes? Somebody offers you something you can't refuse? There is no downside to waiting.

(2) Why didn't we make a move to get Sanchez? Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a great QB, I think that the Jets may have potentially given up too much and you now have put yourself in a precarious situation with your own starting QB. The Redskins FO have alienated their starter without a contingency plan and has no where else to go.

(3) Leaks....leaks....leaks. From the Haynesworth deal to the chase for Cutler to the Sanchez infatuation, no Front Office talks more for no reason than the Redskins. Why show your hand? You gain nothing from it. You drive up the costs on free agents, you drive up the asking price if you want to move draft picks or make trades and you loose all leverage. This is called bad business management.

1. It seems reasonable to draft the DE instantly if he's who you want really badly.

2. Likewise, it seems reasonable not to go after Sanchez. Campbell is a pretty good QB, and not at all the reason the offense had trouble last year. He means consistency. Sanchez would mean that Snyder can't remember his plan more than ten minutes after he's agreed to it. (I suspect, however, that the Redskins just didn't have enough to trade for the rights to Sanchez...)

3. I absolutely agree that the leaks are breath-takingly bad.

until recently, everyone here was expecting great things from both Campbell and Zorn - nothing has changed and the guys who are in charge apparently feel the same - we shall see about the offensive performance this year :twisted:

As far as the team is concerned I think that there are an increasing number here who are begining to understand that we have no real long term plan - just try and look good in the off season and then keep up a brave face during the real season - having a team that is considered "better" than the team was under JKC seems to some to be an acceptable level :lol:

Wahoo McDaniels · Post by **Wahoo McDaniels** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:13 pm

welch wrote:
(1) Why draft 30 seconds after getting on the clock? This is akin to Kramer on Seinfeld not waiting to hear the entire offer from the Coffee company when he was suing them and taking the free lattes for life and not waiting for the "...and $500,000" to come out of the CEO's mouth before yelling out "I'll take it!".

What's the worst thing that happens if you take the entire 10 minutes? Somebody offers you something you can't refuse? There is no downside to waiting.

(2) Why didn't we make a move to get Sanchez? Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a great QB, I think that the Jets may have potentially given up too much and you now have put yourself in a precarious situation with your own starting QB. The Redskins FO have alienated their starter without a contingency plan and has no where else to go.

(3) Leaks....leaks....leaks. From the Haynesworth deal to the chase for Cutler to the Sanchez infatuation, no Front Office talks more for no reason than the Redskins. Why show your hand? You gain nothing from it. You drive up the costs on free agents, you drive up the asking price if you want to move draft picks or make trades and you loose all leverage. This is called bad business management.

1. It seems reasonable to draft the DE instantly if he's who you want really badly.

2. Likewise, it seems reasonable not to go after Sanchez. Campbell is a pretty good QB, and not at all the reason the offense had trouble last year. He means consistency. Sanchez would mean that Snyder can't remember his plan more than ten minutes after he's agreed to it. (I suspect, however, that the Redskins just didn't have enough to trade for the rights to Sanchez...)

3. I absolutely agree that the leaks are breath-takingly bad.

You missed my point....

(1) I agree. DE is a great pick. Orakpo is a great pick. But why not wait for the entire Selection clock to run down?....maybe somebody wants him a lot more and is willing to give you a lot to get him...multiple picks and a slight move down on the draft board. My only point is: You lose NOTHING by waiting out your time. Look at Belichek...patience and being willing to move down to collect picks has only produced the most successful franchise in the last 10 years.

(2) Once again. I agree with your assessment. My only point here is: you don't ruin a relationship unless you really expect it to be over. After getting a pass on the Cutler fiasco, the Redskins FO went ahead and did it again. Ridiculous. I agree, I don't think Jason Campbell's "The One" and I think that the worst thing a franchise can do is stick with a QB too long after realizing that he can't get them to the next level (thus the reason I was so supportive of Ramsey getting his walking papers)...you need to really have trust in the guy who's leading your team and I (as with the Redskin FO) don't think Campbell's that guy....But, I wouldn't tell him that unless I had a sure thing lined up, or were willing to outbid whomever was in line to get that replacement. Twice in one off-season (count'em twice: Cutler and Sanchez), Campbell has been told he was not good enough to be the leader of the team. That's got to go a long way for a guy's confidence...especially, in a contract year.

NJ-SKINS-FAN · Post by **NJ-SKINS-FAN** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:20 pm

MDSKINSFAN wrote:If Griffin can stay healthy we might have one of the best, if not the best, D-Line in the league.

uh....

the team in our division that plays in north nj takes that

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:46 pm

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:(1) I agree. DE is a great pick. Orakpo is a great pick. But why not wait for the entire Selection clock to run down?....maybe somebody wants him a lot more and is willing to give you a lot to get him...multiple picks and a slight move down on the draft board. My only point is: You lose NOTHING by waiting out your time. Look at Belichek...patience and being willing to move down to collect picks has only produced the most successful franchise in the last 10 years.

Did you just claim that the Patriots became great by using up all of their clock on draft day? :hmm:

I think that's reading a bit too much into it. This instance of Snyder behavior doesn't tell us anything about his character, IMO.

I mean, the Skins had a jersey already made up for him, even though no one predicted that Orakpo would fall this far. It's pretty clear he was our "dream choice," so there's no fault in taking him that quickly.

No one wanted to trade up, or at least not badly. Did you notice how little movement there was in the placement of first round picks? You're asking "what's the harm in waiting?" I'm asking "what's the harm in not waiting?" The answer to both questions is: NOTHING.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:49 pm

For the record, I am very happy with our pick. Orakpo feels a position of need. He was the best player available at -ONE- of our positions of need.

I am delighted that no awful trades were made to move up and take any other players.

We still need LB and OL help badly. So, it is going to take more than one Draft and offseason to improve. But we knew that coming into this Draft.

Now, I am sure that there are some diamonds in the rough left out there to be drafted. Let us hope that our Team did its homework into the more difficult rounds to get right.

HTTR

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:24 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:For the record, I am very happy with our pick. Orakpo feels a position of need. He was the best player available at -ONE- of our positions of need.

I am delighted that no awful trades were made to move up and take any other players.

We still need LB and OL help badly. So, it is going to take more than one Draft and offseason to improve. But we knew that coming into this Draft.

Now, I am sure that there are some diamonds in the rough left out there to be drafted. Let us hope that our Team did its homework into the more difficult rounds to get right.

Ew, I agree with this.

I think LB is by far our biggest position of need but no one there was good enough to warrant the pick, Orakpo is a beast and he was the right call. I am desperately hoping for a linebacker on the second day... but after day one I really lose track of the prospects. I have no idea who's valued where.

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:58 am

I'm hoping we take Duke Robinson (OL from Oklahoma) or Marcus Freeman (OLB from Ohio State) with our next pick. Maybe Herman Johnson out of LSU (6-7, 380)... What do you guys think?

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:33 am

andyjens89 wrote:I'm hoping we take Duke Robinson (OL from Oklahoma) or Marcus Freeman (OLB from Ohio State) with our next pick. Maybe Herman Johnson out of LSU (6-7, 380)... What do you guys think?

We could take Duke or Freeman. Herman's stock is falling, he'll probly go in the 4th. I could deal with Duke Robinson, or OT's like Jamon Meredith, T.J. Lang, Gerald Cadogan, Troy Kropog. I also wouldn't be shocked if they take a RB. It wouldn't fill a need but there's a lot of good ones left. Specifically if Andre Brown of NC State was there. I would really like to go OT because I think we could get a much needed starter, especially if Meredith is available somehow.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:22 am

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:(1) Why draft 30 seconds after getting on the clock? This is akin to Kramer on Seinfeld not waiting to hear the entire offer from the Coffee company when he was suing them and taking the free lattes for life and not waiting for the "...and $500,000" to come out of the CEO's mouth before yelling out "I'll take it!".

Vinny Cerrato talked to PFW and they wrote:First I got him on the phone. I talked to about five teams ahead of us to try and get Brian [Orakpo] and everybody wanted to make their picks. I called Denver and said do you want to flip flop and he said ‘you are going to get your guy.’ Once they turned in [Knowshon] Moreno then I called Brian. I got Brian on the phone and turned the pick in. If you notice, we had a jersey there. John Hastings and Harrison [Bernstein], our strength coaches, are up there and they brought an Orakpo jersey with them. What he was holding up was the jersey that we sent up there.”

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:What's the worst thing that happens if you take the entire 10 minutes? Somebody offers you something you can't refuse? There is no downside to waiting.

Vinny Cerrato talked to PFW and they wrote: “I had two teams that wanted to trade up. It wasn’t going to be too far that we were going to have to trade. We would have looked to trade down.” “Every other team said we will call you back if we are interested or our guy is there. I think when the Jets moved to five, the Raiders took [Darius Heyward-] Bey and San Francisco took [Michael] Crabtree it pushed some of the defensive guys down.”

Wahoo McDaniels wrote: (2) Why didn't we make a move to get Sanchez? Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a great QB, I think that the Jets may have potentially given up too much and you now have put yourself in a precarious situation with your own starting QB. The Redskins FO have alienated their starter without a contingency plan and has no where else to go.

Vinny Cerrato talked to PFW and they wrote:
“We made a couple of calls, but it was too expensive.” “Jason [Campbell] was always going to be the starter.”

"Things were a little bit of a roller-coaster with the whole situation, through the media, through real or unreal situations with Cutler and the stuff about Mark Sanchez as well," Zorn said. "I just feel like we stayed true to what we were planning and didn't try to ride it with everybody else."

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:(3) Leaks....leaks....leaks. From the Haynesworth deal to the chase for Cutler to the Sanchez infatuation, no Front Office talks more for no reason than the Redskins. Why show your hand? You gain nothing from it. You drive up the costs on free agents, you drive up the asking price if you want to move draft picks or make trades and you loose all leverage. This is called bad business management.

So once again, great job....idiots.

What leaks???
The man had a radio show DURING the season. Vinny will talk to anyone that will listen.

He's already leaked his plans for Day 2 (before the second rond even ended

MDSKINSFAN · Post by **MDSKINSFAN** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:07 am

Kilmer72 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:Damn, hate to see the cross town rivals putting it together. They have a franchise QB, a stud tackle, good defensive and offensive lines...

Anyway, we still have those picks so we can work on getting a QB next season.

lol we have a qb you will see soon enough.

Since the Ravens aren't even rivals, we play them once every 4 years, and they aren't in the NFC I could care less what they do.

lowtharofthehill · Post by **lowtharofthehill** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:37 am

On Orakpo and Sanchez:
Has no one realized that the Redskins didn't want sanchez as much as they wanted Orakpo.

They have been talking to Orakpo well before they were "interested" in Sanchez. Vinny even said the calls they made on draft day to move up were to get Orakpo.

I am starting to think that a lot of the noise we heard was the media blowing up the fact that the redskins did their Homework on Sanchez.

Either way in the end Orakpo is a redskin. I mean they had a jersey there for him.

On Second Day: 3rd Round
I hope that we don't just move down for the sake of moving down. The third round is where you could move down the most and still get another decent pick. But with OT, OLB, C/G, and possible RB all areas that could use a solid back up or starter the 3rd round gives the Redskins a shot at getting a guy there.

OLB- This is the one area that I think we could draft an immediate starter in the 3rd round. LAWRENCE SIDBURY- Richmond- DE- marcus washington sized DE in college. Could transition to OLB because he was the fastest DE at the combine. Marcus Freeman-Ohio State

OT- Jamon Merrideth- SC - the best of the Tackles left-

OG- Robinson- still up there as the best guard in the draft. Big and powerful. Herman Johnson- LSU- has elite size but will prolly be around in the 4th round even though we don't have a pick

C- Antoine Caldwell- Alabama- the Third or 4th best Center in a very deep class. Could be a good backup behind Rabach for two years and then a long term starter.

RB- if Brown from NC is still on the board it might be hard for the skins to turn him down. He very well could be the best player available at the time they pick.

lowtharofthehill · Post by **lowtharofthehill** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:41 am

Also what do people think about Michael Johnson-DE from Georgia Tech? He was supposed to be a first round guy not too long ago. There were even Mock Drafts leading up to yesterday with the Skins taking him at 13. Granted those are by people who might not know anything about him.

Any thoughts? I don't think he will be around at 16 in the third but would it be too much taking two DE's?

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:52 am

He's supposed to be a physical FREAK with some red flags. He's supposedly a good guy, so it's not character related but he's reported as taking plays off, having lazy workout habits, etc.

Todd McShay seemed to think he had a LOT of bust potential. But in the third round, if he's available, why not take him? He's damn close to 6'7'' and about 266 lbs. He's supposed to have long arms, a good 40 time and was excellent in cover drills at the combine. I wonder if he might be able to play LB... anyway, I wouldn't be disappointed taking a guy with his talent in the 3rd round, but he might be a bust too.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:18 am

I don't see the need to take Johnson, but he's not a bad pickup in the third.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:21 am

On Orakpo and Sanchez:
Has no one realized that the Redskins didn't want sanchez as much as they wanted Orakpo.

Don't know and at this point I don't care. Vinny did admit (much to my surprise) that they made a call and the price was to high...had we had a second round pick...who's knows. In the end I'm just happy they made the right choice by not giving up too much. I will tell you this had they taken Sanchez FedEx would have imploded!! As for Jason he has to realize at this level it is a business unfortunately. Whether we drafted Sanchez or not he was and is going to be given a chance to be the man. Yesterday proved that the city is behind you...now go out and have a great year and make Snyder pay!

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:26 am

No OT's gone in the third so far..bet i jinxed it.

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:30 am

lowtharofthehill wrote:On Orakpo and Sanchez:
Has no one realized that the Redskins didn't want sanchez as much as they wanted Orakpo.

They have been talking to Orakpo well before they were "interested" in Sanchez. Vinny even said the calls they made on draft day to move up were to get Orakpo.

I am starting to think that a lot of the noise we heard was the media blowing up the fact that the redskins did their Homework on Sanchez.

Either way in the end Orakpo is a redskin. I mean they had a jersey there for him.

On Second Day: 3rd Round
I hope that we don't just move down for the sake of moving down. The third round is where you could move down the most and still get another decent pick. But with OT, OLB, C/G, and possible RB all areas that could use a solid back up or starter the 3rd round gives the Redskins a shot at getting a guy there.

OLB- This is the one area that I think we could draft an immediate starter in the 3rd round. LAWRENCE SIDBURY- Richmond- DE- marcus washington sized DE in college. Could transition to OLB because he was the fastest DE at the combine. Marcus Freeman-Ohio State

OT- Jamon Merrideth- SC - the best of the Tackles left-

OG- Robinson- still up there as the best guard in the draft. Big and powerful. Herman Johnson- LSU- has elite size but will prolly be around in the 4th round even though we don't have a pick

C- Antoine Caldwell- Alabama- the Third or 4th best Center in a very deep class. Could be a good backup behind Rabach for two years and then a long term starter.

RB- if Brown from NC is still on the board it might be hard for the skins to turn him down. He very well could be the best player available at the time they pick.

Sidbury is still available, and there's only 10 team in front of us right now. He would be an excellent choice at pick # 80.