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I keep going back to Hasselbeck's first year as the Seahawks QB. Doesn't anybody remember how bad he was that year? He barely completed 50% of his passes. 2000 passing yards and 7 TDs all season. The next year he's up to 64%, 3000 yards and 15 TDs.


His first year with the Seahawks was also his first season as a starting qb.


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I think we are in trouble if it isn't Campbell
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With the addition of Haynesworth the whole defense SHOULD improve.
That being said.

Rocky Mcintosh had a good season. More Sacks will improve his value to the team. He already improved so how can he get most improved? Ten sacks will do that.

Carlos Rogers. Again already improved drastically. So 5 plus interceptions will get him the most improved player plus a pro bowl nod.

Laron Landry. More sacks and interceptions maybe. Teams usually avoid throwing to Landrys side anyhow. This kid already has registered 95 tackles in 2007. 65 tackles in 2008. Pretty darn good already. That is alot for a saftie. It is only a matter of time before he has a breakout pro bowl season.

My pick for most improved will be Jon Jansen. After the season he had last year. I really think he will come through this year. I have not given up on him yet.

Randy Thomas should also really improve. So my pick is between Jansen and Thomas.

The defensive players had a good season. So we are talking about most improved. So most improvement should be Jansen and Thomas.
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We still need to get younger at rt guard but I think Randy Thomas will be most improved on the o line. Interesting article- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... reer-line/
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DEHog wrote:I think we are in trouble if it isn't Campbell


Pretty much sums it up.

However if we get the #1 or #2 ranked defence this year then we have a chance even with a 'so-so' QB
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Interesting on the Rogers note, it wasn't too long ago, people were calling for his release. I agree, he's turning into a great corner. I think many players on the defense will be improved in part because they have continually been getting better, and of course because of big AL.

But I think Devin Thomas will take away Els spot and start his ascension to being our #1 receiver by next season. I really like this kid.

I'm also still rooting for Campbell :D
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riggofan wrote:I think it will be Campbell, especially if we draft a young stud for the o-line. His stats weren't bad last season.

I keep going back to Hasselbeck's first year as the Seahawks QB. Doesn't anybody remember how bad he was that year? He barely completed 50% of his passes. 2000 passing yards and 7 TDs all season. The next year he's up to 64%, 3000 yards and 15 TDs.

Guess we'll find out if Zorn can really coach or not.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Devin Thomas improve a lot this fall either. Wouldn't take much to be a BIG improvement from last season, would it? heh.


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riggofan wrote:I think it will be Campbell, especially if we draft a young stud for the o-line. His stats weren't bad last season.

I keep going back to Hasselbeck's first year as the Seahawks QB. Doesn't anybody remember how bad he was that year? He barely completed 50% of his passes. 2000 passing yards and 7 TDs all season. The next year he's up to 64%, 3000 yards and 15 TDs.

Guess we'll find out if Zorn can really coach or not.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Devin Thomas improve a lot this fall either. Wouldn't take much to be a BIG improvement from last season, would it? heh.


This JC's THIRD year.


I guess his point is in year 1 of the WCO, Hasselbeck was awful. Year 2, he had remarkably similar stats to Campbells of last year. Year 3, Hasselbeck was markedly better.

We all hope that Campbell shows such improvement...
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riggofan wrote:I think it will be Campbell, especially if we draft a young stud for the o-line. His stats weren't bad last season.

I keep going back to Hasselbeck's first year as the Seahawks QB. Doesn't anybody remember how bad he was that year? He barely completed 50% of his passes. 2000 passing yards and 7 TDs all season. The next year he's up to 64%, 3000 yards and 15 TDs.

Guess we'll find out if Zorn can really coach or not.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Devin Thomas improve a lot this fall either. Wouldn't take much to be a BIG improvement from last season, would it? heh.


This JC's THIRD year.


I guess his point is in year 1 of the WCO, Hasselbeck was awful. Year 2, he had remarkably similar stats to Campbells of last year. Year 3, Hasselbeck was markedly better.



Not to mention, Hasselbeck already had a working understanding of the WCO before he became the starter in Seattle. Prior to being traded to Seattle, Hasselbeck spent 3 years in Green Bay learning the WCO under Mike Holmgen, and for two of those years, Hasselbeck backed-up Brett Favre. So, in fact, it took Hasselbeck many years before Holmgren and Zorn turned him into a Pro Bowler playing in a WCO.

JC has spent one year in the WCO. Obviously we're all hoping he doesn't take as long as Hasselbeck did to grasp the system.
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The most improved will be with out a doubt and by a wide margin, Corn Griff! Neither one od our ends have shown that they can take advantage of not being double teamed. Heck most offenses never double either one of our ends. AC has one move! Speed rush; that is it. The one time in his three years with the Skins he actually used an inside move, he was on the QB in no time for a safety. That was two years ago and he hasn't used an inside move again.

Griff will no longer be doubled and I expect he will have more sacks this year than his past four years combined. Between he and Albert pushing up the middle, maybe QBs won't be able to step up in the pocket and avoid AC's one and only move.

Roggers will have more chances to drop INTs. He may even rival B. Edwards for the most drops in the NFL this year. He will easily be in the double digit dropped pick category. He has already had one of those years and this year he will exceed the amount of dropped combined passes that our WRs have.

The guy can cover, he just can't catch! WR wear those sticky gloves, he should were those instead of the butter covered stone gloves he wears.
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Manchester_Redskin wrote:However if we get the #1 or #2 ranked defence this year then we have a chance even with a 'so-so' QB


Valid point. Defense does win championships.

Last year, the top three defenses all played in the conference championship games. The top three offenses were no where to be found, didn't even make the playoffs.

Edit: This is also why I wouldn't be upset if they drafted a defensive player at #13, even though I see RT as our biggest need.
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Kilmer72 wrote:We still need to get younger at rt guard but I think Randy Thomas will be most improved on the o line. Interesting article- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... reer-line/


But it doesn't have to happen right away. He's good for another 2 years.
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Anthony Alridge

I know, he didn't play for the Skins last year, but I'm going to throw him into this category anyway. Due to his speed and rushing abilities, his nickmane in college was "Quick 6".

Redskins.com blogger Matt Terl wrote:When the Redskins signed RB/KR Dominique Dorsey out of the CFL to a futures contract, I speculated that he might be a bargain version of Darren Sproles. Last night, the Redskins were awarded RB/KR Anthony Alridge off waivers from the Denver Broncos, and it now seems safe to say that "quick little kick returner" is a position that's receiving some attention.

Alridge had a productive career with the University of Houston Cougars -- he averaged 10 yards a carry over 95 carries in 2006; in 2007 he rushed for 1,597 yards (with a 6.2 yard average) and caught 42 passes for 428 additional yards. In fact, his college numbers were strong enough that he was named second team All-Conference USA.

That might not seem particularly impressive -- it's only second team, and it's only Conference USA -- but the three running backs ahead of him were Matt Forte (1,715 yards from scrimmage for the Bears), Kevin Smith (976 yards rushing for the hapless Lions), and Chris Johnson (named to the Pro Bowl for the Titans). So getting pushed down to fourth best in that crew is still pretty darned good.

Among the running back prospects at the 2008 NFL scouting combine, Alridge finished third in the 40-yard dash behind Johnson and fourth overall pick (and first running back selected) Darren McFadden, first in the broad jump, and sixth in the 3-cone drill.

So the numbers are there for that speedy kick returning role. As a longshot heading into training camp, he shows some promise.



We've all seen how well Chris Johnson did with the Titans, as a change-up back to LenDale White. We saw how well Matt Forte did with the Bears. And we've all seen the advantages of having a player like Darren Sproles spelling LaDainian Tomlinson in the backfield for the Chargers.

I could see Anthony Alridge doing something similar with the Skins, as a change-of-pace type of back to compliment Portis. Alridge is extremely quick and could get around the corners with ease. Alridge could also be extremely effective returning punts or kick-offs. While Rock is a good player, I don't see him here for much longer.

Alridge is a longshot to make the team, but he's worth keeping an eye on. I have a funny feeling about this kid. I could definitely see him in a role of RB/KR. I have a feeling he'll make the team, or at least I'm hoping he does.
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SkinsFreak wrote:Anthony Alridge

I know, he didn't play for the Skins last year, but I'm going to throw him into this category anyway. Due to his speed and rushing abilities, his nickmane in college was "Quick 6".

Redskins.com blogger Matt Terl wrote:When the Redskins signed RB/KR Dominique Dorsey out of the CFL to a futures contract, I speculated that he might be a bargain version of Darren Sproles. Last night, the Redskins were awarded RB/KR Anthony Alridge off waivers from the Denver Broncos, and it now seems safe to say that "quick little kick returner" is a position that's receiving some attention.

Alridge had a productive career with the University of Houston Cougars -- he averaged 10 yards a carry over 95 carries in 2006; in 2007 he rushed for 1,597 yards (with a 6.2 yard average) and caught 42 passes for 428 additional yards. In fact, his college numbers were strong enough that he was named second team All-Conference USA.

That might not seem particularly impressive -- it's only second team, and it's only Conference USA -- but the three running backs ahead of him were Matt Forte (1,715 yards from scrimmage for the Bears), Kevin Smith (976 yards rushing for the hapless Lions), and Chris Johnson (named to the Pro Bowl for the Titans). So getting pushed down to fourth best in that crew is still pretty darned good.

Among the running back prospects at the 2008 NFL scouting combine, Alridge finished third in the 40-yard dash behind Johnson and fourth overall pick (and first running back selected) Darren McFadden, first in the broad jump, and sixth in the 3-cone drill.

So the numbers are there for that speedy kick returning role. As a longshot heading into training camp, he shows some promise.



We've all seen how well Chris Johnson did with the Titans, as a change-up back to LenDale White. We saw how well Matt Forte did with the Bears. And we've all seen the advantages of having a player like Darren Sproles spelling LaDainian Tomlinson in the backfield for the Chargers.

I could see Anthony Alridge doing something similar with the Skins, as a change-of-pace type of back to compliment Portis. Alridge is extremely quick and could get around the corners with ease. Alridge could also be extremely effective returning punts or kick-offs. While Rock is a good player, I don't see him here for much longer.

Alridge is a longshot to make the team, but he's worth keeping an eye on. I have a funny feeling about this kid. I could definitely see him in a role of RB/KR. I have a feeling he'll make the team, or at least I'm hoping he does.


He's definitely an intriguing prospect. I think that one of the things that is lacking in our offense is that we don't have a home run threat at rb. This isn't meant as a knock on CP because I think that he is a top 5 rb in the NFL. However, imo we need a backup rb that complements what CP does, which Betts doesn't do. Betts is a good back but he is pretty much worthless as a backup to CP. He basically does the same things as CP only not as well. He is great to have in case CP gets injured, but in terms of using him to spell CP and to bring a different dimension to the offense, he isn't all that useful.
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SkinsFreak wrote:Anthony Alridge

I know, he didn't play for the Skins last year, but I'm going to throw him into this category anyway. Due to his speed and rushing abilities, his nickmane in college was "Quick 6".

Redskins.com blogger Matt Terl wrote:When the Redskins signed RB/KR Dominique Dorsey out of the CFL to a futures contract, I speculated that he might be a bargain version of Darren Sproles. Last night, the Redskins were awarded RB/KR Anthony Alridge off waivers from the Denver Broncos, and it now seems safe to say that "quick little kick returner" is a position that's receiving some attention.

Alridge had a productive career with the University of Houston Cougars -- he averaged 10 yards a carry over 95 carries in 2006; in 2007 he rushed for 1,597 yards (with a 6.2 yard average) and caught 42 passes for 428 additional yards. In fact, his college numbers were strong enough that he was named second team All-Conference USA.

That might not seem particularly impressive -- it's only second team, and it's only Conference USA -- but the three running backs ahead of him were Matt Forte (1,715 yards from scrimmage for the Bears), Kevin Smith (976 yards rushing for the hapless Lions), and Chris Johnson (named to the Pro Bowl for the Titans). So getting pushed down to fourth best in that crew is still pretty darned good.

Among the running back prospects at the 2008 NFL scouting combine, Alridge finished third in the 40-yard dash behind Johnson and fourth overall pick (and first running back selected) Darren McFadden, first in the broad jump, and sixth in the 3-cone drill.

So the numbers are there for that speedy kick returning role. As a longshot heading into training camp, he shows some promise.



We've all seen how well Chris Johnson did with the Titans, as a change-up back to LenDale White. We saw how well Matt Forte did with the Bears. And we've all seen the advantages of having a player like Darren Sproles spelling LaDainian Tomlinson in the backfield for the Chargers.

I could see Anthony Alridge doing something similar with the Skins, as a change-of-pace type of back to compliment Portis. Alridge is extremely quick and could get around the corners with ease. Alridge could also be extremely effective returning punts or kick-offs. While Rock is a good player, I don't see him here for much longer.

Alridge is a longshot to make the team, but he's worth keeping an eye on. I have a funny feeling about this kid. I could definitely see him in a role of RB/KR. I have a feeling he'll make the team, or at least I'm hoping he does.


He's definitely an intriguing prospect. I think that one of the things that is lacking in our offense is that we don't have a home run threat at rb. This isn't meant as a knock on CP because I think that he is a top 5 rb in the NFL. However, imo we need a backup rb that complements what CP does, which Betts doesn't do. Betts is a good back but he is pretty much worthless as a backup to CP. He basically does the same things as CP only not as well. He is great to have in case CP gets injured, but in terms of using him to spell CP and to bring a different dimension to the offense, he isn't all that useful.


Which is why I like Alridge and why I'm pulling for him to make the team. He could potentially become that home run threat we need.
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I'd love to see this guy get a chance but I won't hold my breath. I don't see Zorn making the obvious change, just like with ARE in 2008. Prove me wrong Zorn.
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HEROHAMO wrote:With the addition of Haynesworth the whole defense SHOULD improve.
That being said.

Rocky Mcintosh had a good season. More Sacks will improve his value to the team. He already improved so how can he get most improved? Ten sacks will do that.

Carlos Rogers. Again already improved drastically. So 5 plus interceptions will get him the most improved player plus a pro bowl nod.

Laron Landry. More sacks and interceptions maybe. Teams usually avoid throwing to Landrys side anyhow. This kid already has registered 95 tackles in 2007. 65 tackles in 2008. Pretty darn good already. That is alot for a saftie. It is only a matter of time before he has a breakout pro bowl season.

My pick for most improved will be Jon Jansen. After the season he had last year. I really think he will come through this year. I have not given up on him yet.

Randy Thomas should also really improve. So my pick is between Jansen and Thomas.

The defensive players had a good season. So we are talking about most improved. So most improvement should be Jansen and Thomas.



I agree. Hopefully both will be completely healthy for the 1st time in several years.
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riggofan wrote:I think it will be Campbell, especially if we draft a young stud for the o-line. His stats weren't bad last season.

I keep going back to Hasselbeck's first year as the Seahawks QB. Doesn't anybody remember how bad he was that year? He barely completed 50% of his passes. 2000 passing yards and 7 TDs all season. The next year he's up to 64%, 3000 yards and 15 TDs.

Guess we'll find out if Zorn can really coach or not.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Devin Thomas improve a lot this fall either. Wouldn't take much to be a BIG improvement from last season, would it? heh.


I do not mean to rain on the parade. But, hey Mike Holmgren was a big part of that equation for Hasselbeck. Mike was the playcaller in both GreenBay and Seattle. Mike Holmgren helped develop both Farve and Hasselbeck. How much Zorn has to do with that? Maybe Zorn deserves alot of the credit? But, Holmgren was part of that equation. Obviously not part of our equation.

Zorn did seem to help Campbell in the first half of the season. I think Campbells confidence was rocked after the Pittsburg game. From that point on Campbell did not play the same way he did in the first 8 games.
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HEROHAMO wrote:
riggofan wrote:I think it will be Campbell, especially if we draft a young stud for the o-line. His stats weren't bad last season.

I keep going back to Hasselbeck's first year as the Seahawks QB. Doesn't anybody remember how bad he was that year? He barely completed 50% of his passes. 2000 passing yards and 7 TDs all season. The next year he's up to 64%, 3000 yards and 15 TDs.

Guess we'll find out if Zorn can really coach or not.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Devin Thomas improve a lot this fall either. Wouldn't take much to be a BIG improvement from last season, would it? heh.


I do not mean to rain on the parade. But, hey Mike Holmgren was a big part of that equation for Hasselbeck. Mike was the playcaller in both GreenBay and Seattle. Mike Holmgren helped develop both Farve and Hasselbeck. How much Zorn has to do with that? Maybe Zorn deserves alot of the credit? But, Holmgren was part of that equation. Obviously not part of our equation.

Zorn did seem to help Campbell in the first half of the season. I think Campbells confidence was rocked after the Pittsburg game. From that point on Campbell did not play the same way he did in the first 8 games.


Exactly right! Which is why I think he lacks a QB's temperment.
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I don't know who it's going to be, but it needs to be the offensive line as a whole, along with Campbell, or else we're in for another crummy year.
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Great thread, CLL. Here's my two (one each for offense and defense):

O: Fred Davis. Kind of a misnomer because Most Improved usually goes to a starter or frequent sub, and Sleepy sure didn't qualify for either given his reps last year -- but the kid is so talented, and is such a magnificent physical specimen, that Zorn has no choice but to get him the ball this year.

It will pay BIG dividends.

D: Rocky Mac. He was up and down last year, but this is his time. This year he's finally over the fear of re-injuring the knee, and can just go out there and BALL. He will be a problem at WILL all year for opposing OC's.
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BigRedskinDaddy wrote:Great thread, CLL. Here's my two (one each for offense and defense):

O: Fred Davis. Kind of a misnomer because Most Improved usually goes to a starter or frequent sub, and Sleepy sure didn't qualify for either given his reps last year -- but the kid is so talented, and is such a magnificent physical specimen, that Zorn has no choice but to get him the ball this year.

It will pay BIG dividends.

D: Rocky Mac. He was up and down last year, but this is his time. This year he's finally over the fear of re-injuring the knee, and can just go out there and BALL. He will be a problem at WILL all year for opposing OC's.


Good selections, BigRedskinDaddy. I agree with both.

Davis said the Redskins’ offense has some similarities to the pro style offense run by USC’s Pete Carroll.

"We ran a lot of two tight end sets at USC, and they ran some of the same plays we’re running here, so I’m kind of familiar with this program," Davis said. "And that makes it fun."

"I have seen speed and the ability to change direction [in Davis]," Zorn said. "He needs to get comfortable with our style of offense. The knowledge of how plays are designed and their rhythm is important for rookies to understand, and he is on his way to doing that."
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i pick Rogers 6 INTS and a forced fumble.
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redskins14ru wrote:i pick Rogers 6 INTS and a forced fumble.


He's had 6 his whole career...
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