The Aftermath of Cutler

[El Mexican]

Some of you guys must be living on another planet if you think Snyder and Vinny actually did a good thing by "not landing" Cutler.

The were ACTIVELY trying to get Cutler, NOT inquiring. This has been reported by ESPN, WP, just to name two sources. There's a big difference in just asking how much something will cost and talking about getting a deal done.

I see no turning back at this juncture, and, as a previous fellow poster stated, this may actually liberate JC to start making the big throws and taking more chances. He has nothing left to lose after the FO clearly demonstrated they are not interested in him in the long run.

As I said before, the damage is done, even if JC and Zorn publicly say everything is fine.

[dlc]

Some of you guys must be living on another planet if you think Snyder and Vinny actually did a good thing by "not landing" Cutler.

The were ACTIVELY trying to get Cutler, NOT inquiring. This has been reported by ESPN, WP, just to name two sources. There's a big difference in just asking how much something will cost and talking about getting a deal done.

I see no turning back at this juncture, and, as a previous fellow poster stated, this may actually liberate JC to start making the big throws and taking more chances. He has nothing left to lose after the FO clearly demonstrated they are not interested in him in the long run.

As I said before, the damage is done, even if JC and Zorn publicly say everything is fine.

They unintentionally did a good job. Cutler isn't a guarantee to be a top-notch QB let alone a good fit for this team and this city.

Let's face it, Dan and Vinny want to get the job done but refuse to accept they don't have a vision of success. They basically make a lot of changes and hope something sticks.

By failing to implement another drastic change prior to having that vision, by default they have done the right thing.

[fleetus]

I'm sad that we didn't get a probowl QB.

Cutler??? He's Jeff George. You'll be glad this fell through soon enough...

Funny, last night I had the exact same thought. Jeff George. Great minds think alike

Big arm, empty head, will flash a good season here or there.

I mean, Cutler has:

1. re-acted to trade talks, (something every teams does unless your name is Brady or Manning), as if his wife had cheated on him.
2. Has type 1 diabetes, which is definitely not a picnic for whatever team he plays for
3. has rumored to have a drinking problem, which does not mix well with the diabetes
4. has made several very questionable statements in the media prior to the McDaniels debacle
5. reportedly insulted Elway because he felt Elway didn't extend a very warm welcome to him see a pattern here?


Here's a good article on Campbell being a class act vs. Cutler

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1495 ... r-a-lesson

Here's some more insight to Cutler's over-ratedness:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/s ... id=3683651

http://www.denverpost.com/jimmy/ci_10888385

[fleetus]

Some of you guys must be living on another planet if you think Snyder and Vinny actually did a good thing by "not landing" Cutler.

The were ACTIVELY trying to get Cutler, NOT inquiring. This has been reported by ESPN, WP, just to name two sources. There's a big difference in just asking how much something will cost and talking about getting a deal done.

I see no turning back at this juncture, and, as a previous fellow poster stated, this may actually liberate JC to start making the big throws and taking more chances. He has nothing left to lose after the FO clearly demonstrated they are not interested in him in the long run.

As I said before, the damage is done, even if JC and Zorn publicly say everything is fine.

They unintentionally did a good job. Cutler isn't a guarantee to be a top-notch QB let alone a good fit for this team and this city.

Let's face it, Dan and Vinny want to get the job done but refuse to accept they don't have a vision of success. They basically make a lot of changes and hope something sticks.

By failing to implement another drastic change prior to having that vision, by default they have done the right thing.

Spot on. Lots of moves, trades, big free agent splashes, but they rarely make a smart football move. Like when they brought in London Fletcher, that was a smart move. G Williams knew him, they knew Fletcher could run that defensive system better than any other, solid teammate and it didn't cost an arm and a leg. Why can't they follow the coaches advice and do their homework on every deal? J. Taylor??? B. Lloyd??? Archuleta??? ARE??? Cutler???

[CanesSkins26]

Why can't they follow the coaches advice and do their homework on every deal? J. Taylor??? B. Lloyd??? Archuleta??? ARE??? Cutler???

I agree with you about all of those names, however, I think that Williams was the one really pushing got Archuleta.

[PulpExposure]

Why can't they follow the coaches advice and do their homework on every deal? J. Taylor??? B. Lloyd??? Archuleta??? ARE??? Cutler???

I agree with you about all of those names, however, I think that Williams was the one really pushing got Archuleta.

And wasn't Saunders the one who pushed to get Lloyd?

[JansenFan]

Why can't they follow the coaches advice and do their homework on every deal? J. Taylor??? B. Lloyd??? Archuleta??? ARE??? Cutler???

I agree with you about all of those names, however, I think that Williams was the one really pushing got Archuleta.

And wasn't Saunders the one who pushed to get Lloyd?

Yes. Saunders knew Lloyd when he played high school ball.

[SkinsSince96]

The Skins were 10 minutes away from getting Cutler. I just read that Frank Hanrahan was called yesterday by somebody from ESPN telling him the Redskins just got Cutler and they wanted him to come on Sportscenter and speak about it. They told him John Clayton was reporting it. Then 5 minutes later before he was about to go on ESPN told him the Bears had just traded for Cutler.

I wonder what we were offering? Thoughts?

[SkinsJock]

I think that Snyder would have done this deal with the 2 #1 picks and he got outbid by the Bears - the Bears are convinced that Cutler is the real deal and that this deal is worth it (as are a lot of the media).

I am happy we did not do the deal - I am not a big Cutler fan although I will agree that he is far superior to Campbell - I want to get a QB that is as good or better and I'm hopeful that will happen in the near future.

I think too many here think our offense is not far off being good - in my opinion we are a long way from being competitive offensively but I hope we get young players in here over the next few years that can help make this team great again and I do not believe you can lose 2 #1 picks and build a team like that.

Campbell is a good QB and he will be okay for now but hopefully we can acquire a top level QB soon - either through the draft or by making a trade

I still am glad that we did not get Cutler but I want one that is as good and soon.

btw - why are we not looking at bringing in Torry Holt to give Campbell a decent #1 - I'm hopeful the reason is that Zorn must think that Thomas is going to be an effective #1 WR for us

[El Mexican]

The Skins were 10 minutes away from getting Cutler. I just read that Frank Hanrahan was called yesterday by somebody from ESPN telling him the Redskins just got Cutler and they wanted him to come on Sportscenter and speak about it. They told him John Clayton was reporting it. Then 5 minutes later before he was about to go on ESPN told him the Bears had just traded for Cutler.

I wonder what we were offering? Thoughts?

More fuel to the fire?

[Chris Luva Luva]

The Skins were 10 minutes away from getting Cutler. I just read that Frank Hanrahan was called yesterday by somebody from ESPN telling him the Redskins just got Cutler and they wanted him to come on Sportscenter and speak about it. They told him John Clayton was reporting it. Then 5 minutes later before he was about to go on ESPN told him the Bears had just traded for Cutler.

I wonder what we were offering? Thoughts?

I believe it was the same offer except that the Broncos preferred the QB the Bears had over Jason...If they liked Jason, I believe we would have been the "winner".

[El Mexican]

The Skins were 10 minutes away from getting Cutler. I just read that Frank Hanrahan was called yesterday by somebody from ESPN telling him the Redskins just got Cutler and they wanted him to come on Sportscenter and speak about it. They told him John Clayton was reporting it. Then 5 minutes later before he was about to go on ESPN told him the Bears had just traded for Cutler.

I wonder what we were offering? Thoughts?

I believe it was the same offer except that the Broncos preferred the QB the Bears had over Jason...If they liked Jason, I believe we would have been the "winner".

That can't be good, CLL.

I've watched a lot of Bears games recently and Orton, quite franckly, sucks.

[SkinsSince96]

That can't be good, CLL.

I've watched a lot of Bears games recently and Orton, quite franckly, sucks.

Id say Orton > Campbell as of today. Hopefully Campbell can step up his game.

I believe it was the same offer except that the Broncos preferred the QB the Bears had over Jason...If they liked Jason, I believe we would have been the "winner".

If it was im happy we didnt get Cutler. Thats way too much.

[CanesSkins26]

I've watched a lot of Bears games recently and Orton, quite franckly, sucks.

So does Campbell.

[El Mexican]

I've watched a lot of Bears games recently and Orton, quite franckly, sucks.

So does Campbell.

Still, I'd take 9 times out of 10 over Orton.

[SkinsSince96]

I've watched a lot of Bears games recently and Orton, quite franckly, sucks.

So does Campbell.

Still, I'd take 9 times out of 10 over Orton.

Campbell 315-506 62.3% 3245 yds 13 tds 6 ints
Orton 272-465 58.5% 2972 18 tds 12 ints

Ill take the guy who in 41 less att. had 5 more tds and only 273 less yards. That was done with a offense that isnt as good as the Redskins talent wise. Give me Orton.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I've watched a lot of Bears games recently and Orton, quite franckly, sucks.

So does Campbell.

Still, I'd take 9 times out of 10 over Orton.

That's because your biased. Both of them are pretty bad if you ask me.

[SkinsJock]

I am not sure about who is the better QB between the 2 - I'm not sure that Orton would be better than Campbell if he were our QB but I'm pretty sure that Orton was a better QB for the Bears than Campbell would have been

I agree that I think the Broncos felt that getting Orton was a plus - I had heard that they did not even want Campbell - they were just going to take the 2 #1 picks.

Hey - I'm glad how it worked out - Campbell can have another year and even if he plays a lot better than he has, I think the writing is on the wall here - Campbell is not going to be as good a QB as our FO thinks we need and that means we can address the many offensive needs we have over the next few years and we should be good to go in 2011 - that is not bad considering where we were last year

again the pressure will be to get that offensive line fixed and make sure we have both a great #1 WR and a great RB

[El Mexican]

I've watched a lot of Bears games recently and Orton, quite franckly, sucks.

So does Campbell.

Still, I'd take 9 times out of 10 over Orton.

Campbell 315-506 62.3% 3245 yds 13 tds 6 ints
Orton 272-465 58.5% 2972 18 tds 12 ints

Ill take the guy who in 41 less att. had 5 more tds and only 273 less yards. That was done with a offense that isnt as good as the Redskins talent wise. Give me Orton.

Strange times this are when someone actually preferes the QB who plays for Chicago over their own.

I'm sticking with JC. I believe Chicago's offense has been terrible for a long while precise because they do not have a good QB. Just my opinion though.

[SkinsJock]

Snyder did get to show that he will still make ridiculous moves if he thinks he can help this team

this is one that I am glad he could not make stick

[spenser]

SF55 are you serious? Do you really think JC's slow release (I'm not using quotes because he does have a slow release!) isn't a problem?

But his biggest problem is his slow decision making.

Team leader? Ha!

1.) If he had a slow release it would be a problem, but who says he does? Some armchair scout? My point was that amateur scouts sound ridiculous when they try to talk about a guys football skills. You aren't qualified to diagnose problems in an NFL quarterback's delivery.

2.)Again, you're not qualified to question his decision making. Maybe you've got more of a leg to stand on because it's so subjective and you watch the games... but you watch one angle... professionals watch all the angles and they can see all the options. When a team struggles like the Redskins no one looks like a star player, because nothing is clicking right, they aren't winning. If Jason Campbell is scrambling and can't find an open man, maybe there isn't one. Or maybe the open man is across the field which would be an ill advised pass. Statistically I say his decision making is good because he throws so few interceptions, and he played so well when the team was healthy.

3.)Every single thing I have ever read shows the unwavering support of the coaching staff (Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn) and his fellow players. Football experts tout his leadership all the time. He's the unquestioned team leader. Seriously, to deny this you'd have to be ignorant of the facts. Do a GIS on Jason Campbell Leadership. you'll get bored before you find anything to the contrary.

Oh my Goodness! Seriously? Byron Leftwich thinks JC's release is slow! I mean if you HONESTLY can not remove your myopic Burgandy glasse and see how slow dudes release is, then I'm not sure why im even responding to your post becuase i would be wasting my time. C'mon Now, lets be real about this. I LIKE JC a lot, as a person. Hes a hard worker, good team mate, says the right thing and Wants to succeed. However, At this point he has not shown me the ability to be anything other than a journeyman/servicable QB at the NFL level. Franchise QB he is not. I dont need to be a scout to use my eyes and my brain to see what reality is. If he was so good, why did Cleavand not pull the trigger on the supposed 3 team trade? Why did Josh McDaniels WANT Kyle orton over JC? Now i dont have unequivocal evidence of that, but per "sources" thats the word on the street. Trust me, i HOPE TO GOD i am wrong and JC is a late bloomer ala Drew Bree's, but at this point.. i dont think so.

[SkinsSince96]

Strange times this are when someone actually preferes the QB who plays for Chicago over their own.

I'm sticking with JC. I believe Chicago's offense has been terrible for a long while precise because they do not have a good QB. Just my opinion though.

Check who Orton had to throw to last year at WR.....

Devin Hester - Is a terrible WR.
Rashied Davis - Average WR at best.
Marty Booker - Is trash.
Brandon Lloyd - nuff said.
Greg Olsen (TE) - Only solid target on the team.
Desmond Clark (TE) - Not what he use to be.

Orton is not a bad QB. His weapons on offense suck. I promise you in Denver he will be a damn good QB.

Orton even with that trash to throw to threw more TDs then Jason Campbell.

[fleetus]

I am not sure about who is the better QB between the 2 - I'm not sure that Orton would be better than Campbell if he were our QB but I'm pretty sure that Orton was a better QB for the Bears than Campbell would have been

I agree that I think the Broncos felt that getting Orton was a plus - I had heard that they did not even want Campbell - they were just going to take the 2 #1 picks.

Hey - I'm glad how it worked out - Campbell can have another year and even if he plays a lot better than he has, I think the writing is on the wall here - Campbell is not going to be as good a QB as our FO thinks we need and that means we can address the many offensive needs we have over the next few years and we should be good to go in 2011 - that is not bad considering where we were last year

again the pressure will be to get that offensive line fixed and make sure we have both a great #1 WR and a great RB

I'll give you a prediction. IF Orton wins the Broncos starting job AND Brandon Marshall + Royal are healthy like they were for Cutler last year, Orton will finish with a better QB rating and more passing yards than Cutler.

It's a bold prediction since everyone thinks Cutler is top tier. But take Cutler away from Shanahans system and Brandon Marshall and his weaknesses will start to show even more. Meanwhile, Orton will fit into McDaniels system quite nicely. So long as the Broncos don't draft a rookie and give him the job, I see Orton playing very well there.

[SkinsSince96]

I'll give you a prediction. IF Orton wins the Broncos starting job AND Brandon Marshall + Royal are healthy like they were for Cutler last year, Orton will finish with a better QB rating and more passing yards than Cutler.

Id go out on a limb and say you are correct. I think Orton in Denver will put up better numbers this year than Cutler in Chicago.

[El Mexican]

Now let's look at the Redskins WR's SkisSince96:

Santana Moss--good all around WR, but can disapear from games.

ARE--servicable at best.

ey--great TE

James Trash--Your're kidding, right?

Thomas and Kelly--inexistent.

If your correlating Orton's ability with his supporting cast, then I'd do the same thing for JC.

Having said that, JC holds a slight advantage over Orton. The same principle could apply though: the offense sucks in general because the QB is not that good.

Taking all of those factor in to account, I'd still take Campbell over Orton because...he can cruise with a mean moustache.