The Aftermath of Cutler

[SKINFAN]

I have watched Sanchez play all year as I go to every USC home game. Sanchez is not as good as Leinart and Leinart cannot beat out a 38 year old guy.

wow good point.


We still have a guy named Colt holding a clip board I think we give him a shot after JC, at least that way we keep our draft picks. =)

[SkinsSince96]

I have watched Sanchez play all year as I go to every USC home game. Sanchez is not as good as Leinart and Leinart cannot beat out a 38 year old guy.

Sanchez is the best QB in this draft imo. Its hard to cpmpare Sanchez at USC and Leinart at USC. Leinart had alot more talent to work with on offense.

That 38 year old guy is a future Hall of Fame QB. Its not like Leinart got beaten out by a over the hill bum.

[Gnome]

JC17 has more than enough talent to win and win often. He is a franchise QB. He just plays for the most idiotic owner in the NFL.

I've defended Snyder on and off for years. But this offseason has been moronic. It's like we're in a time machine and reliving the Jeff George (cutler), Dana Subblefield (haynesworth), Prime Time (Hall) era again. Sure, these guys all make sense. So did those three and Duckett and Taylor55 and Arch Deluxe. It's freaking embarrasing when the Falcons are 11-5 and building through the draft (I live and work in the ATL) and my Skins are run just as poorly as the worst critic in the press says they're run. Snyder is just awful, awful, awful.

I'm protesting by no longer buying skins merch. In fact I just dropped a bunch of money on Capitals gear. I love DC but my income is no longer Snyder's to share.

[SkinsFreak]

Team leader? Ha! He has less leadership skills than the ex-CEO of AIG. When has it ever looked like he was in firm control of the team. I have been looking and have never seen it.

Do you play for the Redskins? Do you hang out in the locker room?

JC may not be the type to run up and down the sidelines doing back flips and high-fiving all the players, but numerous teammates came out during camp last year and spoke about the leadership role JC had taken and the respect he had earned in the locker room. I agree that sometimes you'd like to see a little more passion from him during games, but JC has been highly praised for a having level head, a characteristic sought in good QB's. He doesn't get too high when he makes a good play and he doesn't get down on himself when he makes a bad play. Zorn talks all the time about staying "medium". A little more passion, yes, but to assert that he has no leadership skills is about as short-sighted as you get.

[SkinsFreak]

JC17 has more than enough talent to win and win often. He is a franchise QB. He just plays for the most idiotic owner in the NFL.

I've defended Snyder on and off for years. But this offseason has been moronic. It's like we're in a time machine and reliving the Jeff George (cutler), Dana Subblefield (haynesworth), Prime Time (Hall) era again. Sure, these guys all make sense. So did those three and Duckett and Taylor55 and Arch Deluxe. It's freaking embarrasing when the Falcons are 11-5 and building through the draft (I live and work in the ATL) and my Skins are run just as poorly as the worst critic in the press says they're run. Snyder is just awful, awful, awful.

I'm protesting by no longer buying skins merch. In fact I just dropped a bunch of money on Capitals gear. I love DC but my income is no longer Snyder's to share.

Why? because the team signed Haynesworth and Dockery? If another team signs Haynesworth, it's a brilliant move. If the Skins sign him, it's the same old Snyder. Whatever. And by the way, I don't know if you've read the recent reports, but Snyder didn't actually give up the house for Cutler. Believe it or not, Snyder actually made the right decision by NOT breaking the bank for Cutler and sticking with Campbell. Some recognize that's an improvement over the old Snyder.

[jeremyroyce]

The one thing that still worries me is the fact that the Redskins were actively trying to trade Jason Campbell without knowing if they had a shot at Cutler.

I have a nasty feeling in my gut telling me that Danny and his cousin Vinny will still be trying to trade Jason Campbell on draft day to get Mark Sanchez. I wish that the front office would just let things be and build through the draft.

I am proud of Jason Campbell and how he has handled the entire situation, he has shown great maturation and looks a lot better than Cutler in this fiasco.

Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell said he plans to move forward and "to do everything I can do to help us get to where we want to be as a team" after the team failed to acquire quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos and trade Campbell.

Campbell acknowledged that he was disappointed in having his name involved in the trade speculation, "but you can't let that get to you. You really just have to understand what it is. That's the business side of it and you have to go do your job still."

Campbell said he spoke with Coach Jim Zorn after completing his workout today at Redskins Park and said that Zorn was very supportive and encouraging, telling him that they are in this together and that Campbell is his quarterback.

"That meant a lot to me," Campbell said, "to know that he's behind me and he's been behind me all along. You need to have that trust with your head coach because he's the one I'm going to be dealing with most of the time. I know that the coaches and my teammates are behind me. I trust them. That means a lot to me."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Hopefully everyone can move forward from this and J-Cam can prove his worth and play with that chip on his shoulder and prove to the Redskins that he's the face of this franchise.

I agree with you that on the Redskins trying to trade Campbell. He has only one year left and it doesn't look like they are going to commit to him beyond next year and if that is the case then I would like to see them trade him and get something for him rather then watching him walk and get nothing for him, again that's if they decided that they don't want him after this season.

[Skinsfan55]

SF55 are you serious? Do you really think JC's slow release (I'm not using quotes because he does have a slow release!) isn't a problem?

But his biggest problem is his slow decision making.

Team leader? Ha!

1.) If he had a slow release it would be a problem, but who says he does? Some armchair scout? My point was that amateur scouts sound ridiculous when they try to talk about a guys football skills. You aren't qualified to diagnose problems in an NFL quarterback's delivery.

2.)Again, you're not qualified to question his decision making. Maybe you've got more of a leg to stand on because it's so subjective and you watch the games... but you watch one angle... professionals watch all the angles and they can see all the options. When a team struggles like the Redskins no one looks like a star player, because nothing is clicking right, they aren't winning. If Jason Campbell is scrambling and can't find an open man, maybe there isn't one. Or maybe the open man is across the field which would be an ill advised pass. Statistically I say his decision making is good because he throws so few interceptions, and he played so well when the team was healthy.

3.)Every single thing I have ever read shows the unwavering support of the coaching staff (Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn) and his fellow players. Football experts tout his leadership all the time. He's the unquestioned team leader. Seriously, to deny this you'd have to be ignorant of the facts. Do a GIS on Jason Campbell Leadership. you'll get bored before you find anything to the contrary.

[Irn-Bru]

Leadership doesn't matter when JC only has a 72 throwing accuracy on Madden versus Cutler's 86!

[Gnome]

Snyder tried to break the bank for Cutler and failed. What's worse is that it was plastered all over the news - amatuer hour showing your junk. No one suspected the Bears we're even involved. That's how it should've been handled with our FO. Now, every bad pass Jason throws will be followed by the obligatory 'they tried to trade him' and 'no new contract' talk. It will dog him, dog the locker room, and instantly puts a question mark on this upcoming season. It suddenly is a 'lame duck' year knowing that Snyder has a desire to replace Jason as the QB the team. The experts say Cutler is a top 5 QB. So the deal might have made sense. Being unable to get it done while being outed in the press is more of the same and shows Snyder imature 'fantasy league' self destructive nature is right where it was pre-Gibbs. Now wonder Gibbs looks ten years younger a year after quiting the Snyderskins. And until Haynesworth makes a tackle - I'll hold judgement on him. Last, no way Snyder held back in his cutler lust, he simply lost out just like he did for Lance Briggs last year.

[Countertrey]

Snyder tried to break the bank for Cutler and failed.

Yes... Hyperbole, rumor stated as fact, and innuendo make your post so much more valid...

[Prince33]

Snyder tried to break the bank for Cutler and failed. What's worse is that it was plastered all over the news - amatuer hour showing your junk. No one suspected the Bears we're even involved. That's how it should've been handled with our FO. Now, every bad pass Jason throws will be followed by the obligatory 'they tried to trade him' and 'no new contract' talk. It will dog him, dog the locker room, and instantly puts a question mark on this upcoming season. It suddenly is a 'lame duck' year knowing that Snyder has a desire to replace Jason as the QB the team. The experts say Cutler is a top 5 QB. So the deal might have made sense. Being unable to get it done while being outed in the press is more of the same and shows Snyder imature 'fantasy league' self destructive nature is right where it was pre-Gibbs. Now wonder Gibbs looks ten years younger a year after quiting the Snyderskins. And until Haynesworth makes a tackle - I'll hold judgement on him. Last, no way Snyder held back in his cutler lust, he simply lost out just like he did for Lance Briggs last year.

Go back to your bridge and gnawing on baby goats

[Gnome]

Hyperbole stated as fact and go back to my bridge gnawing on goats.

Nice. At least some peeps still support Snyder and Vinny. Guess even they have fans.

Fact is the Skins FO screwed this up just as bad, if not worse, than Josh McDaniels. At least Cassel was his guy. Cutler has zero connections to the Skins staff. And the Broncos at least got a great trade. Now the Skins have a QB they don't want and egg on their face. And I'm sure JLac will out the facts for you to support the hyperbole.

Bottom line, JC17 is a lame duck QB from here forward. Is that what you want heading into a new season?

Nice going Danny! You're lucky JC17 is a class act and not pulling a Cutler on you even though you pulled a McDaniels on him.

[markshark84]

Isn't the fact that the Redskins didn't make this trade a good thing given what the Bears gave up?
And, seriously, if Campbell's confidence is shattered by a rumored attempt to trade him, he was never going to make it as an NFL quarterback anyway. This is his put up or shut up year regardless of who he plays for, that should be the only thing he needs to be motivated.

Fios, this is a proud moment for me. I must say: I agree with you. This was a Hershel Walker type trade. The Bears got seriously ripped off.

[Chris Luva Luva]

1.) If he had a slow release it would be a problem, but who says he does?

Joke post confirmed.

[professionals watch all the angles and they can see all the options.

Yeah, the professionals are trying to give him away. The professoinals who watch our game tape in the offseason want Cutler.

You are an amatuer just like us and using your own logic, you are incorrect.

[SkinsJock]

Jason isn't the long-term answer here and everyone knows it, it's just a matter of time.

Chris, I've been pleasantly surprised by many of your positive posts lately. But this one is a wee bit over the hill. Jason has just as good of a chance of being the long-term answer here as he doesn't. I believe the scales are actually tipped in his favor. Great QB coach, stability in a system for a 2nd year in a row, will get more production from the WR's, has a chip on his shoulder, in his contract year, has the support of his teammates... etc. I agree this is a make or beak season, but he can use these things to his advantage and I'll bet these adversities will actually make him stronger.

We'll see what happens, but I'm giving him my full support and believe positive reinforcement can go a long way. In fact, now that this Cutler deal is over with, for better, for worse, I think Skins fans should pull together and get behind Campbell with their full support. He's our QB for this season and at this point, there's no sense in continuing to drag the guy down. He's heard it all by now, and so have the rest of us.

The Falcons head coach Mike Smith made a very interesting comment a few weeks ago on the NFL Network. He said that heading into last season, his team was facing a mountain of adversity; new rookie head coach, rookie QB, the fall out from Bobby Patrino and Micheal Vick situations, etc... and that much of their success simply could be attributed to the overwhelming amount of positive reinforcement the team received from their fan base. I know there's high expectations in D.C., but I believe Skins fans should take something away from Smith's words and take it to heart. Positive reinforcement goes a long way in this world and especially with human nature itself.

I am also concerned - If I felt that Campbell had half the desire and QB skills of a Matt Ryan I would not be so worried

we did the right thing here because we need all the picks we can get but as Fios said if Campbell was not motivated before and now has "a chip on his shoulder" and "something to prove" heaven help us - we need a QB like Ryan and Campbell will have his opportunity to show that he can be that good - I just do not see the potential for anything close to that in Campbell.

I'll be positive but that just is not possible with this guy

I'm glad we did not make this deal but I hope we can find a QB with the potential of a Matt Ryan or Cutler to be our next QB

[skinsfan#33]

SF55 are you serious? Do you really think JC's slow release (I'm not using quotes because he does have a slow release!) isn't a problem?

But his biggest problem is his slow decision making.

Team leader? Ha!

1.) If he had a slow release it would be a problem, but who says he does? Some armchair scout? My point was that amateur scouts sound ridiculous when they try to talk about a guys football skills. You aren't qualified to diagnose problems in an NFL quarterback's delivery.

2.)Again, you're not qualified to question his decision making. Maybe you've got more of a leg to stand on because it's so subjective and you watch the games... but you watch one angle... professionals watch all the angles and they can see all the options. When a team struggles like the Redskins no one looks like a star player, because nothing is clicking right, they aren't winning. If Jason Campbell is scrambling and can't find an open man, maybe there isn't one. Or maybe the open man is across the field which would be an ill advised pass. Statistically I say his decision making is good because he throws so few interceptions, and he played so well when the team was healthy.

3.)Every single thing I have ever read shows the unwavering support of the coaching staff (Joe Gibbs and Jim Zorn) and his fellow players. Football experts tout his leadership all the time. He's the unquestioned team leader. Seriously, to deny this you'd have to be ignorant of the facts. Do a GIS on Jason Campbell Leadership. you'll get bored before you find anything to the contrary.

Response to #1: Do you even watch the games? Of course he has a slow release. The first thing Zorn said when he came here was that he needed to speed Campbell up, but I don' need him to confirm what I have seen with mt own eyes. And yes I am more than qualified to use my eyes. Of course if I had my head buried in the sand or up my seat, then no I wouldn't be qualified.

Response #2: I wasn't talking about his overall play. About over throwing or under throwing the ball, I was talking about how long it take for him to make a decision. And anyone can see it takes him a LONG time to decide to do something.
He doesn't throw picks because he can't make up his mind where to go with the ball and just doesn't throw it. That leads to low INT#s, but also low TD #s, sound familiar. The guy has to be wide open for him to throw him the ball. He is late on getting the ball to him. Oh, yeah these are some of the types of things that Zorn said that JC had problems with on the "Jim Zorn" show, but he said it nicer than me.

Response #3: When it comes to leadership, the only thing I have ever heard the media do is question JCs leadership. I have never once heard media or former player say anything good about Campbell's leadership. Of course the coaches are going to say that he is a good leader, that is what are they supposed to say.

It is sad really, because he has all of the tools to be a good QB, he just needs to pull the trigger quicker

[Deadskins]

I have a nasty feeling in my gut telling me that Danny and his cousin Vinny will still be trying to trade Jason Campbell on draft day to get Mark Sanchez. I wish that the front office would just let things be and build through the draft.

Sorry, but wouldn't that be building through the draft?

[hawaiiantribe]

Man-- I thought it would've cool to get Cutler for JUST next year's 2nd (do we have that pick?) So thank goodness we didn't give up the farm for him.

Any chance that the F.O. can shut the freak up when they make trade offers? or is an offer automatically leaked to the media. I bleed burg & gold, but its getting to be embarassing that Skins are involved or rumored to be involved in every weak pie in the sky possible transanction. "We're" the Mikey of the Life cereal commercials-- give it to the Skins- they'll choke anything down their pie hole.

Yeah- I'm not gay for Colt, even though I'm in Hawaii- but would love it if he became great.

[KDawg]

Here's what scares me about this whole thing...

Vinny is going to come out and deny we were even players in this thing. Which is a good move for the Redskins. 100%. They need to make sure no one is unhappy with this whole thing.

Campbell will toe the line and do what's asked of him and do his best. It's the way he is.

Here's where my problem comes in...

Let's say Campbell has a great season.

Will he re-up with us at that point? He's in a contract year. yeah, we don't know what's going on with the cap and all that other hooplah, but for now, I'm assuming the cap will stay in place.

So what do we do then?

Entering the Cutler sweepstakes was fine... As long as we won. By losing, we risked alienating our quarterback.

We can't keep our grubby mitts out of things.

And, for the record, we had to be involved in one way or another. We may not have been as heavily involved as the media had noted (although we probably were, but there's a chance we weren't), but we were in it. For sure. Too many sources for there to have been zero Redskin involvement.

So now, Campbell doesn't re-up. What do we have now? We're stuck with Colt Brennan. If he's not ready, we're back to square one... again.

[VetSkinsFan]

Here's what scares me about this whole thing...

Vinny is going to come out and deny we were even players in this thing. Which is a good move for the Redskins. 100%. They need to make sure no one is unhappy with this whole thing.

Campbell will toe the line and do what's asked of him and do his best. It's the way he is.

Here's where my problem comes in...

Let's say Campbell has a great season.

Will he re-up with us at that point? He's in a contract year. yeah, we don't know what's going on with the cap and all that other hooplah, but for now, I'm assuming the cap will stay in place.

So what do we do then?

Entering the Cutler sweepstakes was fine... As long as we won. By losing, we risked alienating our quarterback.

We can't keep our grubby mitts out of things.

And, for the record, we had to be involved in one way or another. We may not have been as heavily involved as the media had noted (although we probably were, but there's a chance we weren't), but we were in it. For sure. Too many sources for there to have been zero Redskin involvement.

So now, Campbell doesn't re-up. What do we have now? We're stuck with Colt Brennan. If he's not ready, we're back to square one... again.

That's a lot of speculation with no base. JC has already said all this is going to do is put a chip on his shoulder, which is open to interpretation. I interpret it as he's going to put out this year. He's stated he likes to be here and his teammates like him. I don't see him doing anything but using leverage (if he goes the whole season without signing) to get a bigger payday. It's not like we don't like to pay players.

[Deadskins]

Why is everyone convinced the rumors of us going after Cutler are true? JLC is a known liar, and Denver had cause to leak that we were in the market to up the asking price. I think if The Danny really had wanted him, he would be a Redskin right now.

[Deadskins]

Too many sources for there to have been zero Redskin involvement.

Not really. Just a media echo chamber. Just because something is repeated a thousand times doesn't make it true.

[KDawg]

That's a lot of speculation with no base. JC has already said all this is going to do is put a chip on his shoulder, which is open to interpretation. I interpret it as he's going to put out this year. He's stated he likes to be here and his teammates like him. I don't see him doing anything but using leverage (if he goes the whole season without signing) to get a bigger payday. It's not like we don't like to pay players.

You're open to your opinion. My base is years of the same crap over and over.

I certainly hope I'm wrong, especially because I like Campbell. But it was an opinion of what may happen. I never said any of it was set in stone. In fact, I never claimed it to be any more than just my issue with the whole thing.

But for the record, we're notorious for not paying our own players. I myself think that most of the guys we let go were for good reasons. Antonio Pierce is someone I'm glad we let go of. We let go of Smoot just to sign him back, same thing with Dockery. We didn't pay them what they thought they were worth off the bat. Not saying it's a bad strategy, but we don't really like to pay the guys that are with us.

That said, the sample size is non-existant in terms of QBs in that position. So we'll see.

[USAFSkinFan]

I hope Campbell and Zorn have a great season, take the 'Skins deep into the playoffs, and flip Danny and Vinny off on their way out the door...

[KDawg]

Not really. Just a media echo chamber. Just because something is repeated a thousand times doesn't make it true.

The same media echo chamber that we had with Haynesworth?

Usually, when there's smoke, there's fire.