The Aftermath of Cutler

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:05 pm

The one thing that still worries me is the fact that the Redskins were actively trying to trade Jason Campbell without knowing if they had a shot at Cutler.

I have a nasty feeling in my gut telling me that Danny and his cousin Vinny will still be trying to trade Jason Campbell on draft day to get Mark Sanchez. I wish that the front office would just let things be and build through the draft.

I am proud of Jason Campbell and how he has handled the entire situation, he has shown great maturation and looks a lot better than Cutler in this fiasco.

Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell said he plans to move forward and "to do everything I can do to help us get to where we want to be as a team" after the team failed to acquire quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos and trade Campbell.

Campbell acknowledged that he was disappointed in having his name involved in the trade speculation, "but you can't let that get to you. You really just have to understand what it is. That's the business side of it and you have to go do your job still."

Campbell said he spoke with Coach Jim Zorn after completing his workout today at Redskins Park and said that Zorn was very supportive and encouraging, telling him that they are in this together and that Campbell is his quarterback.

"That meant a lot to me," Campbell said, "to know that he's behind me and he's been behind me all along. You need to have that trust with your head coach because he's the one I'm going to be dealing with most of the time. I know that the coaches and my teammates are behind me. I trust them. That means a lot to me."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Hopefully everyone can move forward from this and J-Cam can prove his worth and play with that chip on his shoulder and prove to the Redskins that he's the face of this franchise.

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:09 pm

We can certainly be thankful that Campbell isn't pulling a Cutler on this.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:10 pm

I know Jason has the support of Zorn and the team. The team loves the guy and Zorn's future in Washington depends on him. A great year next season is the only thing keeping Zorn as the head coach with all the celeb coaches coming out next season.

I don't think this will get to JC, but... if the Redskins scouts and front office honestly believes that Matt Sanchez will be a future star in the NFL and lead them to the promised land then they ought to try and get him in the draft.

If he's really got a shot to be a star and they don't think JC does then it'd be dumb not to trade him.

SkinsSince96 · Post by **SkinsSince96** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:13 pm

I have thought the same thing. If Sanchez is there at 13 he could be a Redskin. We also might trade up and get him or Stafford if one of them slip.

Id rather just roll with Campbell. He has a chip on his shoulder. Let him go out there and prove to us hes worthy of wearing the Burgundy and Gold.

If not the Brennan era will start.

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:14 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:I know Jason has the support of Zorn and the team. The team loves the guy and Zorn's future in Washington depends on him. A great year next season is the only thing keeping Zorn as the head coach with all the celeb coaches coming out next season.

I don't think this will get to JC, but... if the Redskins scouts and front office honestly believes that Matt Sanchez will be a future star in the NFL and lead them to the promised land then they ought to try and get him in the draft.

If he's really got a shot to be a star and they don't think JC does then it'd be dumb not to trade him.

When has anything that the front office believed been a good decision? Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Clark, Brandon Lloyd, Jason Taylor man... I am depressing myself on this list.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:20 pm

I'm happy and sad. I'm happy that we didn't over extend for Cutler.

I'm sad that we didn't get a probowl QB.

Jason isn't the long-term answer here and everyone knows it, it's just a matter of time.

The reason why this deal didn't go through? Who knows... The Redskins could have easily matched the deal the Bears offered...maybe Orton is more attractive to them than Jason is....

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:22 pm

Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry, Chris Cool

ey, Anthony Montgomery, Cedric Golston, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Casey Rabach, Chris Horton, Reed Doughty...

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:23 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry, Chris ey, Anthony Montgomery, Cedric Golston, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Casey Rabach, Chris Horton, Reed Doughty...

What's the point of that list?

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:25 pm

I'm kinda glad he didn't come here... we'll see what happens next.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:26 pm

Isn't the fact that the Redskins didn't make this trade a good thing given what the Bears gave up?
And, seriously, if Campbell's confidence is shattered by a rumored attempt to trade him, he was never going to make it as an NFL quarterback anyway. This is his put up or shut up year regardless of who he plays for, that should be the only thing he needs to be motivated.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:29 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry, Chris ey, Anthony Montgomery, Cedric Golston, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Casey Rabach, Chris Horton, Reed Doughty...

What's the point of that list?

It's pretty clearly a rebuttal to the hyperbole in a few posts ahead of it:

spudstr04 wrote:When has anything that the front office believed been a good decision? Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Clark, Brandon Lloyd, Jason Taylor man... I am depressing myself on this list.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:32 pm

Fios wrote:Isn't the fact that the Redskins didn't make this trade a good thing given what the Bears gave up?
And, seriously, if Campbell's confidence is shattered by a rumored attempt to trade him, he was never going to make it as an NFL quarterback anyway. This is his put up or shut up year regardless of who he plays for, that should be the only thing he needs to be motivated.

I agree but why am I so sad too? lol

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:33 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Fios wrote:Isn't the fact that the Redskins didn't make this trade a good thing given what the Bears gave up?
And, seriously, if Campbell's confidence is shattered by a rumored attempt to trade him, he was never going to make it as an NFL quarterback anyway. This is his put up or shut up year regardless of who he plays for, that should be the only thing he needs to be motivated.

I agree but why am I so sad too? lol

Because you're always sad until Training camp?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:36 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm sad that we didn't get a probowl QB.

Cutler??? He's Jeff George. You'll be glad this fell through soon enough...

Jason isn't the long-term answer here and everyone knows it, it's just a matter of time.

The board is lukewarm on JC, at best. Most, including I, seem to believe that you are probably right...

Better, however, to live with JC through this season, and have a shot at a legitimate quarterback next year (should that prove necessary), than to waste talent and picks on Cutler, and be screwed for the next 4 years.

Consider, that Campbell is now modeling how to respond to rumors that your trade is eminent... Cutler should pay attention. Say what you will about Campbell's potential, he at least knows how a team leader is supposed to behave.

But, that's just me...

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:42 pm

PulpExposure wrote:Because you're always sad until Training camp?

Ok all joking aside. :lol:

I honestly feel that this season will be a waste with Jason at the helm. Aside from what the FO thinks and is doing, he hasn't shown me (not that Im anyone special) that he has the ability to be an elite/superbowl winning QB.

I didnt want Cutler specifically... I just want an elite QB and I guess Cutler gave me that hope.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:44 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry, Chris ey, Anthony Montgomery, Cedric Golston, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Casey Rabach, Chris Horton, Reed Doughty...

What's the point of that list?

It's pretty clearly a rebuttal to the hyperbole in a few posts ahead of it:

spudstr04 wrote:When has anything that the front office believed been a good decision? Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Clark, Brandon Lloyd, Jason Taylor man... I am depressing myself on this list.

Thanks. I missed the post that he was responding to. First I thought he was listing players that we drafted but when it got to Springs I started getting confused.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:51 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Jason isn't the long-term answer here and everyone knows it, it's just a matter of time.

Chris, I've been pleasantly surprised by many of your positive posts lately. But this one is a wee bit over the hill. Jason has just as good of a chance of being the long-term answer here as he doesn't. I believe the scales are actually tipped in his favor. Great QB coach, stability in a system for a 2nd year in a row, will get more production from the WR's, has a chip on his shoulder, in his contract year, has the support of his teammates... etc. I agree this is a make or beak season, but he can use these things to his advantage and I'll bet these adversities will actually make him stronger.

We'll see what happens, but I'm giving him my full support and believe positive reinforcement can go a long way. In fact, now that this Cutler deal is over with, for better, for worse, I think Skins fans should pull together and get behind Campbell with their full support. He's our QB for this season and at this point, there's no sense in continuing to drag the guy down. He's heard it all by now, and so have the rest of us.

The Falcons head coach Mike Smith made a very interesting comment a few weeks ago on the NFL Network. He said that heading into last season, his team was facing a mountain of adversity; new rookie head coach, rookie QB, the fall out from Bobby Patrino and Micheal Vick situations, etc... and that much of their success simply could be attributed to the overwhelming amount of positive reinforcement the team received from their fan base. I know there's high expectations in D.C., but I believe Skins fans should take something away from Smith's words and take it to heart. Positive reinforcement goes a long way in this world and especially with human nature itself.

Wahoo McDaniels · Post by **Wahoo McDaniels** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:56 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry, Chris ey, Anthony Montgomery, Cedric Golston, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Casey Rabach, Chris Horton, Reed Doughty...

What's the point of that list?

It's pretty clearly a rebuttal to the hyperbole in a few posts ahead of it:

spudstr04 wrote:When has anything that the front office believed been a good decision? Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders, Adam Archuleta, Ryan Clark, Brandon Lloyd, Jason Taylor man... I am depressing myself on this list.

The best list you can come up with includes Montgomery and Golston? Seriously, these were "depth" picks in the Mid-Rounds. They're decent players, but let's not make it seem like our F.O. can spot talent while others miss it. It's not like they found a Marques Colston or Tom Brady.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:00 pm

I am very happy we do not have Cutler on this team. I believe in Campbell and feel that he can turn the page. Hell, he did last year. With all the injury issues and the fact that he was running for his life the 2nd half of the season, I was happy with what he did.

Now, do I see room for improvement? Sure and he will be the first to tell you that. But I think like it's been stated above, having a skilled QB Coach/Head Coach in Zorn, will only help him develope into the qB that can lead this team to the next level.

We still need to make some changes on the O line to sure up some depth. For some reason, I think that Jansen may have a good year. Something tells me that but after this year, I don't know.

Lets hope the WR's can step up too. Lets go Rooks.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:01 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I honestly feel that this season will be a waste with Jason at the helm. Aside from what the FO thinks and is doing, he hasn't shown me (not that Im anyone special) that he has the ability to be an elite/superbowl winning QB.

I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. A few weeks back, the media and Skins fans said the Skins have an unproven question mark at QB. Now, because it fits their agenda with this alleged trade with Denver, all of a sudden they're high on JC and say JC "was probably the MVP of the first half of last season, and would offer the Broncos a stable, if not top-tier, signal caller". The Denver Post reported Bronco fans would love to get JC.

The media? Bunch of bipolar airbags if you ask me.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:02 pm

I can't believe people would give up on Jason Campbell... he's still a bit of an unknown, but what has he done to lose people's faith? Forget the armchair scouts who talk about his "slow release". It reminds me of those guys who try to impress their girlfriends at baseball games by talking like a veteran scout ("oh, you can see his curveball isn't dropping like normal"... yeah the scoreboard said that last pitch was 91...) The fact is none of us is qualified to comment on his football skills, if we could recognize them we'd be working in a front office somewhere. What we do know about Jason Campbell is that he's a great team leader, he has the full support of the team, the full support of his coach and he's only 26.

Time will tell if he's a good player or not, but we certainly don't have enough to go on either way.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:04 pm

Countertrey wrote:But, that's just me...

I agree with you.

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:05 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:... if the Redskins scouts and front office honestly believes that Matt Sanchez will be a future star in the NFL and lead them to the promised land then they ought to try and get him in the draft.

I have watched Sanchez play all year as I go to every USC home game. Sanchez is not as good as Leinart and Leinart cannot beat out a 38 year old guy.

I would rather have Jason Campbell for the year.

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:14 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:The fact is none of us is qualified to comment on his football skills,

63 years as a fan at least gets me an opinion, no matter how dumb it is.

if we could recognize them we'd be working in a front office somewhere.

The job doesn't pay enough!

Time will tell if he's a good player or not, but we certainly don't have enough to go on either way.

Just kidding above, but seriously ... you are right in this statement. I think that this is JC's make or break year with the Redskins considering that they have not extended his contract yet.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:55 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:I can't believe people would give up on Jason Campbell... he's still a bit of an unknown, but what has he done to lose people's faith? Forget the armchair scouts who talk about his "slow release". It reminds me of those guys who try to impress their girlfriends at baseball games by talking like a veteran scout ("oh, you can see his curveball isn't dropping like normal"... yeah the scoreboard said that last pitch was 91...) The fact is none of us is qualified to comment on his football skills, if we could recognize them we'd be working in a front office somewhere. What we do know about Jason Campbell is that he's a great team leader, he has the full support of the team, the full support of his coach and he's only 26.

Time will tell if he's a good player or not, but we certainly don't have enough to go on either way.

SF55 are you serious? Do you really think JC's slow release (I'm not using quotes because he does have a slow release!) isn't a problem? A West Coast QB that HAS a slow release, is dead meat. He takes twice as long to throw a quick slant as most QBs! He is the ONLY QB I have ever seen that can't throw a quick slant.

But his biggest problem is his slow decision making. Heck he can't even decide what to do when he is scrambling. This is what it looks like he is thinking,"Should I slide, get out of bonds, hit the guy before he hits me? No I know what I'll do, I'll stand straight up, slow down and let the guy just plaster me!"
A lot of the sacks the Skins gave up were because he made slow decisions or no decision at all. He takes less chances than any QB I have ever watched!

Team leader? Ha! He has less leadership skills than the ex-CEO of AIG. When has it ever looked like he was in firm control of the team. I have been looking and have never seen it.

Don't get me wrong I am jumping with joy that we didn't give up what the fool hardy Bears did! They better win the SB this year or next, because they mortgaged their future for sure and helped build the Broncos. Finally, the Skins looked at a trade and said, "Whoa, way too rich for our blood, go give some one else the short end of that stick!"

TWO first, a third AND Kyle Orton for Cutler? Wow! Denver saw them coming. I won't complain about getting rooked in the Bailey/Portis trade any more!