Kilmer72 wrote:If this trade goes through then I have to wonder when the Skins will upgrade the O line with a first round draft choice. It wouldn't be this year and most likely not next year either
Use draft picks to upgrade a blue-collar position like O-line? Why? Snyder will just trade away more future draft picks to get veteran O-linemen, like he did for Kendall and Thomas. Who needs draft picks? Just because it works for the perennial contenders like Steelers, Pats and Colts doesn't mean we should stop giving them away like candy.
Cooter wrote:... Whatever happens with the Cutler/Campbell situation is ultimately out of our hands, although it's fun to discuss, but I will support whatever QB is in a Redskins uniform.
You should have been here when similar thoughts on "supporting whomever is our QB" during the Gibbs II era were espoused when we had MB8 as our QB - that was a lot of fun
we are not tolerant of Redskins' QBs here at THN if they do not perform to the level expected
on a slightly different note, I wonder why we are now considering this trade at the incredible cost of 2 high picks when we have so many things we need to do - this might get us a really good QB but I think this 'deal' is not one we should make.
As many here know - I am not a Campbell fan and I think that we need to try and find a great QB - I just do not feel that Cutler is guaranteed to be that QB and especially not at the price of 2 high draft picks. .
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Skinsfan55 wrote:Why are the Redskins doing this... Jay Cutler is not better than Campbell...
I think Cutler's better, but not by a whole lot. Is he really worth the trouble and the price? If the team really wanted to dump Campbell, why not go after, or at least entertain, Caseell?
everyone please elaborate on the "trouble" Cutler has caused before this trade issue arose... i don't follow the AFC that closely, but do watch ESPN, etc., but don't recall off the top of my head when this guy became a trouble... i know he has had his moments with Rivers, but that has all been on the field, a competitive battle between the two... however, i do not see or hear about this guy involved with the wrong group of guys, going to clubs and shooting them up, involved with drugs, etc... so, please elaborate as to why Cutler is troubled (this is to anyone who has stated such, not just calling out this post)...
You mean, besides whining like a prima donna that he shouldn't be traded before demaning to be traded? Well, he's got a history of drinking problems. Furthermore, there is speculation that the reason the Broncos were considering trading him originally were related to these problems. Read this article, where a source inside the Broncos-Chiefs trade talks was quoted saying:
there are concerns about Cutler's consumption of alcohol, and ‘that he's not that sharp.'
"That scared the crap out of McDaniels,' the source said."
Though we know nothing about whether and to what extent Cutler consumes alcohol, any consumption of alcohol by a Type 1 diabetes patient entails potential health risks.
Yeah, let's give up some high draft picks and Campbell for this head case.
Im not going to waste to much time venting ...But I will say this! This is negative on so many levels. And if it does happen, the team once again will be shooting itself in the foot.
Snyder let the team grow for once!!!
my hot
"It's almost like, you play a kid's game for a king's ransom," he said. "And if you don't take it serious enough, eventually one day you're going to say, 'Oh, I could have done this, I could have done that."
Sean Taylor
Skinna Mob wrote:Im not going to waste to much time venting ...But I will say this! This is negative on so many levels. And if it does happen, the team once again will be shooting itself in the foot.
I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
Chris I understand what your saying. But NO QB or TEAM will score points if your O-line has deficiencies. And lets face it, the O-line is on sub-zero....they couldn't hold water in a sippy cup!
"It's almost like, you play a kid's game for a king's ransom," he said. "And if you don't take it serious enough, eventually one day you're going to say, 'Oh, I could have done this, I could have done that."
Sean Taylor
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
Chris I understand what your saying. But NO QB or TEAM will score points if your O-line has deficiencies. And lets face it, the O-line is on sub-zero....they couldn't hold water in a sippy cup!
No offensive line is PERFECT. I'm not saying a QB will be the fix to all our woes but it IS a problem. And a more decisive QB with a quicker release will HELP the offensive line. Jason is slow, indecisive and has a long release.
Collins in 2007, he got sacked like Jason did BUT when he did have time, he did something with it. That's what Jason DOES NOT do. He's not rushed on every play, he's not sacked on every play and when he has time he's do NOTHING with it.
We all know the issue here is not whether Cutler is better than Campbell. Cmon people. Stats only tell part of the story. Cutler is way better on game film. There isn't any comparison. He isn't scared to attempt the throws. The only important question is "Will we have to give up too much?)
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
Chris I understand what your saying. But NO QB or TEAM will score points if your O-line has deficiencies. And lets face it, the O-line is on sub-zero....they couldn't hold water in a sippy cup!
No offensive line is PERFECT. I'm not saying a QB will be the fix to all our woes but it IS a problem. And a more decisive QB with a quicker release will HELP the offensive line. Jason is slow, indecisive and has a long release.
Collins in 2007, he got sacked like Jason did BUT when he did have time, he did something with it. That's what Jason DOES NOT do. He's not rushed on every play, he's not sacked on every play and when he has time he's do NOTHING with it.
..and contrary to the hatters out there, we have addressed at least part of the line. We still have the draft and the rest of FA to address the RT position. We have MONTHS still until the season starts...give it a chance.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
Chris I understand what your saying. But NO QB or TEAM will score points if your O-line has deficiencies. And lets face it, the O-line is on sub-zero....they couldn't hold water in a sippy cup!
No offensive line is PERFECT. I'm not saying a QB will be the fix to all our woes but it IS a problem. And a more decisive QB with a quicker release will HELP the offensive line. Jason is slow, indecisive and has a long release.
Collins in 2007, he got sacked like Jason did BUT when he did have time, he did something with it. That's what Jason DOES NOT do. He's not rushed on every play, he's not sacked on every play and when he has time he's do NOTHING with it.
Since this isn't a "is JC the problem" thread, not sure what you are trying to say. The issue is, do we give away JC and (most probably) high draft picks for Cutler? Unless there is a trade to bring over Brandon Marshall and Royal too, I'm not sure how you think Cutler is going to lead this offense to substantially more points with the current O-line and WR's. Throw in Cutlers Diabetes problem, his reported drinking problem, his well documented maturity problem, speculation that he is not the sharpest tool in the shed and I think there is plenty of evidence that Cutler would NOT be the savior and would NOT be worth high draft picks to acquire.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
Chris I understand what your saying. But NO QB or TEAM will score points if your O-line has deficiencies. And lets face it, the O-line is on sub-zero....they couldn't hold water in a sippy cup!
No offensive line is PERFECT. I'm not saying a QB will be the fix to all our woes but it IS a problem. And a more decisive QB with a quicker release will HELP the offensive line. Jason is slow, indecisive and has a long release.
Collins in 2007, he got sacked like Jason did BUT when he did have time, he did something with it. That's what Jason DOES NOT do. He's not rushed on every play, he's not sacked on every play and when he has time he's do NOTHING with it.
..and contrary to the hatters out there, we have addressed at least part of the line. We still have the draft and the rest of FA to address the RT position. We have MONTHS still until the season starts...give it a chance.
We have what exactly in the draft??? 5 picks? Will we still have those 5 picks after a Cutler trade? Will we have next years 1st rounder after a Cutler trade?
brad7686 wrote:If Cutler comes here, who is going to play the part of Brandon Marshall? No one. He won't come close to putting up the points he did in denver here.
Hopefully, Devin Thomas.
Keyword = Hopefully
or......Brandon Marshall. Broncos players meet in players only meeting tomorrow. There is talk of unrest and the possibility of many more departures. McDaniels seems to be sabotaging the franchise and the players aren't united behind him. This is also taken from Rotoworld and the Denver Post, just like my last post.
I dont see the Skins getting Brandon Marshall. After trading for Cutler we wouldnt have anything left to trade for Marshall.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
Skins Picks: 1(13) 3(80) 5(150) 6(186) 7(243)Top Needs: OT, DE, OLB Who I want at 13: One of the Top 4 OTs, B.Orakpo, E.Brown, or trade down.
I believe all of us know it but just don't want to admit it. Jason Campbell is not the future of the Washington Redskins. You can't control the game of football as a quarterback you have to step up and be willing to make plays. Campbell is gun shy, and he isn't passionate or intense enough. Sure he seems more mature than Cutler, but I want a quarterback that demands the ball in high stress game situations. Sorry, but Campbell will not be a Redskin next year regardless of what happens right now.
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fleetus wrote:do we give away JC and (most probably) high draft picks for Cutler?
I don't care who is at QB as long as we score points. Points excite me.
fleetus wrote: Unless there is a trade to bring over Brandon Marshall and Royal too, I'm not sure how you think Cutler is going to lead this offense to substantially more points with the current O-line and WR's.
Todd Collins did more with this team than Jason EVER has and he did it with the crappy players you mentioned. Jason makes those guys look worse than they really are.
fleetus wrote:Throw in Cutlers Diabetes problem,
He scores points.
fleetus wrote: his reported drinking problem,
He scores points.
fleetus wrote:his well documented maturity problem, speculation that he is not the sharpest tool in the shed and I think there is plenty of evidence that Cutler would NOT be the savior and would NOT be worth high draft picks to acquire.
Nobody knows the answer to that question. Just like everyone (myself included) who thought Jason would be the answer.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
Chris I understand what your saying. But NO QB or TEAM will score points if your O-line has deficiencies. And lets face it, the O-line is on sub-zero....they couldn't hold water in a sippy cup!
No offensive line is PERFECT. I'm not saying a QB will be the fix to all our woes but it IS a problem. And a more decisive QB with a quicker release will HELP the offensive line. Jason is slow, indecisive and has a long release.
Collins in 2007, he got sacked like Jason did BUT when he did have time, he did something with it. That's what Jason DOES NOT do. He's not rushed on every play, he's not sacked on every play and when he has time he's do NOTHING with it.
..and contrary to the hatters out there, we have addressed at least part of the line. We still have the draft and the rest of FA to address the RT position. We have MONTHS still until the season starts...give it a chance.
We have what exactly in the draft??? 5 picks? Will we still have those 5 picks after a Cutler trade? Will we have next years 1st rounder after a Cutler trade?
...and where's this inside information coming from? Last I checked there were a lot of people looking at Cutler. We haven't lost any picks yet. Stop speculating and jumping to conclusions. After it's happened (IF it happens)...then the crocodile tears can come out about getting rid of more draft picks.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm kinda indifferent about this situation. While I feel JC isn't the answer and that he'll be gone sooner or later, I'm not 100% sold on Cutler. lol
Some people act like they're afraid of points because IF we do get Cutler, we'll be scoring them. LOLOL Maybe people are allergic to points and thats why they love Jason.
Chris I understand what your saying. But NO QB or TEAM will score points if your O-line has deficiencies. And lets face it, the O-line is on sub-zero....they couldn't hold water in a sippy cup!
No offensive line is PERFECT. I'm not saying a QB will be the fix to all our woes but it IS a problem. And a more decisive QB with a quicker release will HELP the offensive line. Jason is slow, indecisive and has a long release.
Collins in 2007, he got sacked like Jason did BUT when he did have time, he did something with it. That's what Jason DOES NOT do. He's not rushed on every play, he's not sacked on every play and when he has time he's do NOTHING with it.
Since this isn't a "is JC the problem" thread, not sure what you are trying to say. The issue is, do we give away JC and (most probably) high draft picks for Cutler? Unless there is a trade to bring over Brandon Marshall and Royal too, I'm not sure how you think Cutler is going to lead this offense to substantially more points with the current O-line and WR's. Throw in Cutlers Diabetes problem, his reported drinking problem, his well documented maturity problem, speculation that he is not the sharpest tool in the shed and I think there is plenty of evidence that Cutler would NOT be the savior and would NOT be worth high draft picks to acquire.
I agree that Cutler might not be the answer. The other thought is when Cutlers contract is up in two years what says he doesn't cry his way out of Washington. Then we would be in real trouble because we gave up the house for a guy that might run in 2 years. It seams that he does have a drinking issue but who didn't at that age.
I'm with Chris on this - it's not a Cutler vrs Campbell thing as much as we do not seem to score points with Campbell and despite what some are hoping for this year I do not think that even with some improvement he will be a very good QB.
When we got Haynesworth there were many who felt that just his 'presence' made everyone else on our defense better, well, bringing in a QB that will energize our offense and score points is exactly what we need in my opinion - that being said I am not sure that giving up what we might have to give up for Cutler is worth the price.
I think and hope Campbell is our QB this year but I am also sure that he will not be our QB for the long term because while he's a good QB he's not a really good QB and we need a really good QB ... and some other parts too
it's not all Campbell's fault but I just do not think he's ever going to be regarded as a big time scoring machine and that is what we need.
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
joebagadonuts wrote:This topic makes my brain hurt.
JoeBD!! Glad to have you back!
Where've you been?
Thanks, bro. I been busy as all heck, and disgruntled. The end of last season was tough to take, so I stepped back for awhile. Probably not the adult thing to do, but I'll get into that at some point in some rambling blog posting.
I'm a jack of all trades, the master of three
Rockin' the tables, rockin' the mikes, rockin' the young lay-dees.
fleetus wrote:do we give away JC and (most probably) high draft picks for Cutler?
I don't care who is at QB as long as we score points. Points excite me.
fleetus wrote: Unless there is a trade to bring over Brandon Marshall and Royal too, I'm not sure how you think Cutler is going to lead this offense to substantially more points with the current O-line and WR's.
Todd Collins did more with this team than Jason EVER has and he did it with the crappy players you mentioned. Jason makes those guys look worse than they really are.
fleetus wrote:Throw in Cutlers Diabetes problem,
He scores points.
fleetus wrote: his reported drinking problem,
He scores points.
fleetus wrote:his well documented maturity problem, speculation that he is not the sharpest tool in the shed and I think there is plenty of evidence that Cutler would NOT be the savior and would NOT be worth high draft picks to acquire.
Nobody knows the answer to that question. Just like everyone (myself included) who thought Jason would be the answer.
Sorry, but it seems a pretty obvious over-simplification to just say, "he scores points". how? He depends on Brandon Marshall and Royal for the bulk of those scores. he also depends on an offensive line for the bulk of those scores. He also has a tendency to lose football games, meaning, after putting up lots of points early, he tanks in the 4th Q. He comes with plenty of baggage.
You think Collins played better than JC? Another over-simplification, but fine. Why don't you argue to have Collins start? If he's better than JC, wouldn't that be a hell of a better alternative than throwing away draft picks on Cutler?
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...But I will say this! This is negative on so many levels. And if it does happen, the team once again will be shooting itself in the foot.
ey, Landry and Campbell for Cutler. Once again, if he was ready to do that, Cutler would be here already.
But I'm more happy to see you back and hanging around the boards. Welcome back, brother.