Hey Jcam, stop your madness....!!!

[tribeofjudah]

I 2nd that emotion.............

[PulpExposure]

This clown, this buffoon, this ultra maroon (as buggs bunny would say) needs to GO dock...yesterday.

Ray, you've made your viewpoint painfully evident. However, either prepare to not watch the Redskins this year, or prepare to jump ship and become a fan of another team, if watching Campbell pains you so much, because apparently Zorn and the Redskins disagree with you.

We're in for another year of Campbell, it appears. And all of your 977 long-worded posts (on Jason Campbell) won't change that.

[RayNAustin]

This clown, this buffoon, this ultra maroon (as buggs bunny would say) needs to GO dock...yesterday.

Ray, you've made your viewpoint painfully evident. However, either prepare to not watch the Redskins this year, or prepare to jump ship and become a fan of another team, if watching Campbell pains you so much, because apparently Zorn and the Redskins disagree with you.

We're in for another year of Campbell, it appears. And all of your 977 long-worded posts (on Jason Campbell) won't change that.

And none of the long winded words of unearned praise will increase his TD totals or the Redskins chances for being competitive either.

And don't be so sure about a full year of Jason Campbell. I can't believe EVERYONE at Redskin park is braindead enough to continue doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

His contract status has another story to tell.

[Fios]

This clown, this buffoon, this ultra maroon (as buggs bunny would say) needs to GO dock...yesterday.

Ray, you've made your viewpoint painfully evident. However, either prepare to not watch the Redskins this year, or prepare to jump ship and become a fan of another team, if watching Campbell pains you so much, because apparently Zorn and the Redskins disagree with you.

We're in for another year of Campbell, it appears. And all of your 977 long-worded posts (on Jason Campbell) won't change that.

It's like the world's largest and dullest echo chamber.

[ChocolateMilk]

He has improved every year, and with another offseason ahead to train under the same system he learned last year. and to form a bond with his receivers, things can only look good this coming season.

With Haynesworth(now im assuming its the same guy from the past 2 years and not the guy every other year) on the line, hopefully we'll be able to pressure the QB more and get some more TOs to give our O the ball more and in better field position.. Last year when we went 6-2, it was cuz we were winning the turn over battle. so, and again this is assuming Haynesworth plays like the player we paid, i'm pretty excited about the year coming up..

[HEROHAMO]

He did improve. But, to say he had a great year is a bit of a strech. He started out great ended horribly. So its like adding an A+ and a D- and what grade do you get?

[langleyparkjoe]

I think he had a pro bowl caliber first half and a second half that went way south due to a number of factors, ie. we played better teams in the second half, OL collapse, bad decisions, weak conservative play calling (JZ) and probably a few others. He has the talent to pull this offense together. I just hope we see it this year, all year!

Hail

[Cappster]

I think he had a pro bowl caliber first half and a second half that went way south due to a number of factors, ie. we played better teams in the second half, OL collapse, bad decisions, weak conservative play calling (JZ) and probably a few others. He has the talent to pull this offense together. I just hope we see it this year, all year!

Hail

I agree with that assessment

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Yeah...it bears repeating in case Zman didn't hear me the first time....

LOL. Don't hold back on us, tribe - get it off your chest brother.

To speak to JC's comments, to me it just sounded like a guy putting a positive spin on things. The glass is half full kind of thing -

I doubt dude's sitting there thinking "why in the HELL didn't I get picked for the PB?"

[RayNAustin]

Yeah...it bears repeating in case Zman didn't hear me the first time....

LOL. Don't hold back on us, tribe - get it off your chest brother.

To speak to JC's comments, to me it just sounded like a guy putting a positive spin on things. The glass is half full kind of thing -

I doubt dude's sitting there thinking "why in the HELL didn't I get picked for the PB?"

I don't see "I think I had a really good year" as positive spin. I see it as delusions of grandeur that has no foundation in reality.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

I don't see "I think I had a really good year" as positive spin. I see it as delusions of grandeur that has no foundation in reality.

That's the beauty of it all.
Everyone's allowed their own interpretation.

-sometimes more than one, even.

[SkinsJock]

There is an old expression that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and while some saw something good in Campbell as a QB, I was a little disapointed as I expected more - we look like seeing him get another chance and I will be very hopeful - I think we will see progress but not enough.

I think Campbell wants and expects to be very good but I just don't think he has it - we are going to see him get another chance this year - If the offense does not really perform well and that is likely to be the case, given the combination of all the offensive "issues" that are real concerns, the fact remains, IF the QB does not mitigate those "issues" then he just isn't good enough, end of story.

We do not need "the game planning sucked .." OR "the offensive line let us down at the end ...." OR "we never really found a #1 WR .." OR whatever - we need a good QB who knows when he is good and when he needs to improve

[SkinsFreak]

Yeah...it bears repeating in case Zman didn't hear me the first time....

LOL. Don't hold back on us, tribe - get it off your chest brother.

To speak to JC's comments, to me it just sounded like a guy putting a positive spin on things. The glass is half full kind of thing -

I doubt dude's sitting there thinking "why in the HELL didn't I get picked for the PB?"

I don't see "I think I had a really good year" as positive spin. I see it as delusions of grandeur that has no foundation in reality.

How ironic you'd say such a thing.

Let me ask you something. Did you tape the games from last year?

How many times have you sat down and re-watched each game? How often have you sat in a film room with the coaches and reviewed these games? How many times have you sat with the offensive coaches reviewing game tape with a coaches clicker and the use of numerous camera angles? How many times have you reviewed those games and knew exactly what the play-call was and what was the intended outcome of the designed play?

Point is, I'm quite sure JC, Zorn, Smith and Mitchell have spent countless hours reviewing game tape in a film room with the coaches clicker and multiple camera angles, all while being fully aware of each play-call. In doing so, they are able to accurately determine which plays were good and which ones failed. And further, using the coaches clicker, are able to determine if a failed play was the result of a poor decision by Jason, or if it was an o-line blocking breakdown or an incorrectly route run by a WR. Zorn spoke several times about WR's running wrong routes last year.

I seriously doubt you’ve done that. I haven’t reviewed game tape in that manor either, but I give Zorn and Campbell the benefit of the doubt that they have, and based on that, can accurately evaluate Campbell’s performance. If Zorn and the offensive coaches had concluded that Campbell sucked, I seriously doubt Campbell would have said he thought he played fairly well.

I understand you like to compare JC to some of the best QB's the game has ever seen, and especially QB's in completely different systems, but those comparisons hold little value without caveats of objectional perspective. Your prejudice against Campbell has existed for quite a long time, so expecting recognition or acknowledgment of improved play is something we already know won’t happen from you. But as others have said, what do you think your 978,854,245 posts bashing Campbell are going to change? What’s the point? It’s like the worlds oldest broken record player… broken record player… broken record player… broken record player. The coaches have reviewed the tape and obviously disagree with your nonprofessional opinion.

Here's another glaring fact you fail to comprehend, but one that has been recently discussed by industry professionals like Herm Edwards and a few on the NFLN, specifically regarding to which teams might be a good fit for Cutler.

They've said, if you break it down, there are basically two types of teams in this league that incorporate two fundamentally different philosophies, and therefore require different disciplines from their respective QB's.

On one side, you have teams with weaker defenses, and therefore emphasize high powered offenses. Those teams need gunslingers at QB to put up a lot of points to offset the amount of points their weaker defenses will give up. They understand that turnovers will be more frequent in that type of offense, but need to continue throwing the ball downfield to score a lot of points. Examples are teams like the Colts, Saints, Cardinals and Broncos, among others.

On the other side, you have teams that emphasize strong defenses. With that philosophy, the team doesn't need to incorporate a QB with a gunslinger mentality, rather a QB that limits turnovers and manages the game. Examples would be teams like the Ravens, Vikings, Titans and Panthers.

The Cardinals, a Super Bowl team from last season, ranked 32nd in total rushing and 19th in total defense last year. The Broncos ranked 29th in total defense, so they absolutely needed Cutler to be a gunslinger. The Broncos also had a carousel at RB due to injuries. So Cutlers numbers were inflated due to a weak defense and problems with the running game.

The Skins ranked 4th in total defense and their offense had a very strong running attack. Therefore, their offensive philosophy doesn’t incorporate or require a gun slinger. So trying to compare Cutler and Campbell, two QB's that played in two completely different set of circumstances with completely different team philosophies is, for the most part, a baseless comparison. If Campbell played for Denver, he’d have increased numbers by slinging the ball all over the place as Cutler did. Cutler and Campbell have similar arm strength, both have cannons. But while Cutler has a quicker release, the argument could be made that Campbell is bigger, taller, has quicker feet, and a better scrambler.

Nevertheless, Campbell and the entire offense has room for improvement. Just about everyone here has acknowledged that. The team averaged just 12.5 points a game in the second half of last season, so clearly they need to improve on that. The team has said they are committed to developing and incorporating the young receivers, so that, in itself, should help Campbell and the passing game.

Zorn’s version of the West Coast Offense doesn’t require a gun-slinging QB. Zorn’s version emphasizes short to intermediate passing with occasional downfield attempts, so he needs a QB that can manage the game and limit turnovers. Campbell can do that. I do, however, expect them to take more shots downfield, and based on Zorn’s post-season comments, I believe he recognizes that as well. The development and use of Thomas and Kelly, bigger WR’s, will help that. This coming year will tell the story and I’m cautiously optimistic the offense and Campbell can be effective.

I actually like Campbell, think he has tons of potential and I'll be fully supporting him this coming season. I don't know what will happen, but I believe the ship is heading in the right direction. I actually think they're closer than some here may recognize…

“I think we are real close ... closer than a lot of people think,” Campbell said. “We started out 6-2 and could have been 7-1. We could have very easily been 9-1. No one knows how close we are to getting where we want to be.”

[RayNAustin]

I understand you like to compare JC to some of the best QB's the game has ever seen, and especially QB's in completely different systems, but those comparisons hold little value without caveats of objectional perspective. Your prejudice against Campbell has existed for quite a long time, so expecting recognition or acknowledgment of improved play is something we already know won’t happen from you. But as others have said, what do you think your 978,854,245 posts bashing Campbell are going to change? What’s the point? It’s like the worlds oldest broken record player… broken record player… broken record player… broken record player. The coaches have reviewed the tape and obviously disagree with your nonprofessional opinion.

First, I haven't been comparing Campbell to some of the best QBs directly. Any comparisons I've made in that area revolve around one thing ... that being their relative performance in the first three years of their careers. That point is the counter point to the 928,455 posts claiming how most of the good QBs take at least 3 years to develop. A point that is directly contradicted by facts as proven by the vast majority of good QBs success much earlier, historically speaking.

Secondly, during the early 4 game stretch (weeks 2-5) I was quick to personally admit that perhaps my assessment of Campbell was wrong ... that it appeared Campbell had finally turned the corner. And I was happy to do so, because I'm far more interested in the Redskins being successful that I am ME being right. The only caveat to that was that he needed to "maintain" that level of play for more than 4 games. By all means, look up those posts if you don't believe me. Unfortunately he didn't, and his decline began long before o-line injuries and top defenses of the second half of the season came into the picture. It started in week 6, and continued to digress not just against the Steelers and Ravens defenses, but against the Browns and the Rams and the Bengals "powerhouse" defenses too.

Here's another glaring fact you fail to comprehend, but one that has been recently discussed by industry professionals like Herm Edwards and a few on the NFLN, specifically regarding to which teams might be a good fit for Cutler.

They've said, if you break it down, there are basically two types of teams in this league that incorporate two fundamentally different philosophies, and therefore require different disciplines from their respective QB's.

On one side, you have teams with weaker defenses, and therefore emphasize high powered offenses. Those teams need gunslingers at QB to put up a lot of points to offset the amount of points their weaker defenses will give up. They understand that turnovers will be more frequent in that type of offense, but need to continue throwing the ball downfield to score a lot of points. Examples are teams like the Colts, Saints, Cardinals and Broncos, among others.

On the other side, you have teams that emphasize strong defenses. With that philosophy, the team doesn't need to incorporate a QB with a gunslinger mentality, rather a QB that limits turnovers and manages the game. Examples would be teams like the Ravens, Vikings, Titans and Panthers.

With all due respect to the "experts", I choose to form my own opinions based on facts and my own observations rather than allowing someone else tell me what to think based on theirs.

And here are the documented facts. In 2004, both New England and Philadelphia were the AFC and NFC representatives in the Super Bowl. Both teams ranked in the top 10 on both offense and defense. In 2005, Pittsburgh, the Super Bowl Champs ranked in the top 10 in both points scored and points allowed, as did their counterpart the Seahawks. In 2007, the Super Bowl Champ Colts, almost universally recognized as an "offensive" powerhouse team actually ranked 5th on offense, and 3rd on DEFENSE.

It wasn't until this past season that this trend was broken with the Steelers being a top defense and middle of the road offense against a top offense with a middle of the road defense. And one year is not a trend.

I think if you look back even further, you'll see that the best and most competitive teams are more often than not strong on both sides of the ball when it comes to both points scored and points allowed, with some exceptions. One exception could be the 2000 Baltimore Ravens which clearly rode their defense to the Super Bowl. But in the Super Bowl they did score 34 points against a 5th ranked NYG defense.

The Skins ranked 4th in total defense and their offense had a very strong running attack. Therefore, their offensive philosophy doesn’t incorporate or require a gun slinger. So trying to compare Cutler and Campbell, two QB's that played in two completely different set of circumstances with completely different team philosophies is, for the most part, a baseless comparison. If Campbell played for Denver, he’d have increased numbers by slinging the ball all over the place as Cutler did.

That is pure speculation on your part, and far more "baseless" given Campbell's demonstrated ineffectiveness throwing anything longer than short possession type throws, not just last year, but the previous year as well when he repeatedly failed to connect down field. Or perhaps you don't remember the Redskins going almost an entire half of a season in 2007 without a single TD pass to a WR? To suggest that he didn't have the opportunities that Cutler had in 2008 to rack up better passing and TD stats might be true to some extent, but it just might be that coaches tend to steer away from what is NOT working. Campbell is very likely a victim of his own inability to execute a deeper passing attack, and not a victim of an overly conservative philosophy that focuses on running. Denver did throw more (7.9 more) passes per game than did the Redskins, but conventional wisdom suggests that a good running attack actually helps the passing game.

Conversely, ... the Chargers threw less (29.9 /g) than the Redskins (31.9/g) and still scored 34 passing TDs to the Redskins 14. The Chargers rushing attack wasn't far off of the Redskins either. Rivers ability to make plays down field and maximize his scoring opportunities is what made the Chargers offense so successful ... not the number of opportunities given him.

And of course, in 2006, Al Saunders offense was supposed to crank up the offensive numbers from a too conservative Joe Gibbs version, and we all know now how well that worked out.

Nevertheless, Campbell and the entire offense has room for improvement. Just about everyone here has acknowledged that. The team averaged just 12.5 points a game in the second half of last season, so clearly they need to improve on that. The team has said they are committed to developing and incorporating the young receivers, so that, in itself, should help Campbell and the passing game.

Ya think? Yes, 12.5 points per game does suggest room for improvement. But I disagree with the idea that either rookie receiver is capable of turning those paltry numbers around significantly. First, you'd have to conclude that the lack of production was largely the fault of the receivers to begin with. And I don't. Secondly, you'd have to conclude that the two rookies are that much better than the current starters, and I certainly saw no evidence to suspect that this could be true either. Please identify to me what evidence supports your high expectations?

Zorn’s version of the West Coast Offense doesn’t require a gun-slinging QB. Zorn’s version emphasizes short to intermediate passing with occasional downfield attempts, so he needs a QB that can manage the game and limit turnovers. Campbell can do that. I do, however, expect them to take more shots downfield, and based on Zorn’s post-season comments, I believe he recognizes that as well. The development and use of Thomas and Kelly, bigger WR’s, will help that. This coming year will tell the story and I’m cautiously optimistic the offense and Campbell can be effective.

I actually like Campbell, think he has tons of potential and I'll be fully supporting him this coming season. I don't know what will happen, but I believe the ship is heading in the right direction. I actually think they're closer than some here may recognize…

This was the predominant theory coming into 2007 with Al Saunders high power down field offense, and again in 2008 with that the WC offense that would open things up offensively and help Campbell fulfill his "Potential". I had my doubts about Campbell being a proper fit for the WC given that the skills for successfully executing the WC style revolves around quick reads and decisions and accurate throws .. the very areas Campbell has consistently shown weakness. I was right, at least in the results we all witnessed last year ... though all of the Campbell "apologists" are loath to admit that for a second, even in the face of the worst offensive performance in recent memory.

Furthermore, my 9 gazillion, broken record, broken record responses (as you label them) are just that ... responses to the 9 gazillion threads and comments which continue to make the same, lame excuses for Jason Campbell's poor results as a QB. You only consider MY opinion so monotonous because you disagree with it, while not considering with the other, equally monotonous broken record posts you do agree with.

Of course, I'm the "Biased" one, and you are totally "objective" and "unbiased"?

Well of course you are both unbiased and right, and eventually, no matter how many years it takes, you're willing to wait until the facts finally agree with you, as they surely will some day.

[SkinsFreak]

With all due respect to the "experts", I choose to form my own opinions based on facts and my own observations rather than allowing someone else tell me what to think based on theirs.

And there you have it, folks, right there in black and white. It doesn't matter what the PAID PROFESSIONALS think or say, RayNAustin forms his opinions based on his own observations.

Well done!

[RayNAustin]

With all due respect to the "experts", I choose to form my own opinions based on facts and my own observations rather than allowing someone else tell me what to think based on theirs.

And there you have it, folks, right there in black and white. It doesn't matter what the PAID PROFESSIONALS think or say, RayNAustin forms his opinions based on his own observations.

Well done!

And not one comment of substance. Just rhetoric.

And the last time I checked, Matt Millen was a "PAID PROFESSIONAL" who turned the Lions into the only win less team in NFL History for a 16 game schedule.

The experts are always right though, even when they were wrong.

[Kilmer72]

With all due respect to the "experts", I choose to form my own opinions based on facts and my own observations rather than allowing someone else tell me what to think based on theirs.

And there you have it, folks, right there in black and white. It doesn't matter what the PAID PROFESSIONALS think or say, RayNAustin forms his opinions based on his own observations.

Well done!

And not one comment of substance. Just rhetoric.

And the last time I checked, Matt Millen was a "PAID PROFESSIONAL" who turned the Lions into the only win less team in NFL History for a 16 game schedule.

The experts are always right though, even when they were wrong.

On that note I would just like to say I am very happy that there are people out trying to defend JC for once.

I do not like to see putting the blame on JC. The way I see it JC was trying to be the opposite of CP. Instead of saying- The offensive line can not pass block. My receivers can not get open. I only have a year and half starting experience in the NFL. We never give Betts the balls 10 a game to help relieve the burdon on Portis. Moss really isn't a number one receiver but really a number two. Our punt returns are responsible for keeping us in bad field possition.

Instead I think he was trying to be politically correct and say he had a great year considering....

[fleetus]

Conversely, ... the Chargers threw less (29.9 /g) than the Redskins (31.9/g) and still scored 34 passing TDs to the Redskins 14. The Chargers rushing attack wasn't far off of the Redskins either. Rivers ability to make plays down field and maximize his scoring opportunities is what made the Chargers offense so successful ... not the number of opportunities given him.

The Chargers offensive line and WR's were obviously better than the Skins last year too. You do understand the role an offensive line and WR's play in the success of a passing game, don't you? It is not backyard 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi, pass.

First, you'd have to conclude that the lack of production was largely the fault of the receivers to begin with. And I don't.

Did you see WR's running free and open in many games? I've watched all 16 games and re-watched many of them and I saw mostly well covered WR's, with a fair number of dropped passes mixed in. In addition, Zorn admitted the Wr's were having problems running the proper routes.

coming into 2007 with Al Saunders high power down field offense, and again in 2008 with that the WC offense that would open things up offensively and help Campbell fulfill his "Potential". I had my doubts about Campbell being a proper fit for the WC given that the skills for successfully executing the WC style revolves around quick reads and decisions and accurate throws .. the very areas Campbell has consistently shown weakness. I was right, at least in the results we all witnessed last year ... though all of the Campbell "apologists" are loath to admit that for a second, even in the face of the worst offensive performance in recent memory.

While not pro bowl material yet, Campbell's performance last year was solidly in the middle of the league for starting QB's. For someone you feel was not a "proper fit for the WC offense" he had a higher completion percentage and better TD/INT ratio than many other solid QB's. Every one of the below QB's had more years in their respective offensive system and all but Rothlisberger had the benefit of fewer sacks. Sorry to cloud your hate and discontent with facts.

2008 Campbell 62.3% 3245yds. 13TD's 6INT's
2008 Rothlisberger 59.9% 3301yds. 17TD's 15INT's
2008 E. Manning 60.3% 3238yds. 21TD's 10INT's
2008 K. Collins 58.8% 2676yds. 12TD's 7INT's


here's how JC stacked up against the 32 NFL QB's in significant categories:

Sacked - 4th Most
Comp.% - 14th
Pass Yds - 16th
QB Rating - 19th



Why don't you come back from the ledge, drink a cup of hot cocoa and relax. JC is a decent QB with a decent chance of improving during his 2nd season with Zorn. It's okay, you can give up the fight and try to enjoy being a Skins fan again.

[RayNAustin]

The Chargers offensive line and WR's were obviously better than the Skins last year too. You do understand the role an offensive line and WR's play in the success of a passing game, don't you? It is not backyard 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi, pass.

You're absolutely right. Campbell waits till 5 Mississippi to throw, and that's two too many Misssissippi's. Not much of it turns out swell when you do that.

Did you see WR's running free and open in many games? I've watched all 16 games and re-watched many of them and I saw mostly well covered WR's, with a fair number of dropped passes mixed in. In addition, Zorn admitted the Wr's were having problems running the proper routes.

Yes I did see that. And yes I saw the overthrown balls and the under thrown dirt balls and the low and behind them balls on short throws even. And yes, Campbell has admitted that he doesn't see the receivers very well and loses track of them when playing under center.

An improper rout will effect the timing passes that are thrown to a spot ... something Campbell doesn't do ...

While not pro bowl material yet, Campbell's performance last year was solidly in the middle of the league for starting QB's. For someone you feel was not a "proper fit for the WC offense" he had a higher completion percentage and better TD/INT ratio than many other solid QB's. Every one of the below QB's had more years in their respective offensive system and all but Rothlisberger had the benefit of fewer sacks. Sorry to cloud your hate and discontent with facts.

2008 Campbell 62.3% 3245yds. 13TD's 6INT's
2008 Rothlisberger 59.9% 3301yds. 17TD's 15INT's
2008 E. Manning 60.3% 3238yds. 21TD's 10INT's
2008 K. Collins 58.8% 2676yds. 12TD's 7INT's


here's how JC stacked up against the 32 NFL QB's in significant categories:

Sacked - 4th Most
Comp.% - 14th
Pass Yds - 16th
QB Rating - 19th

And where was he with passes longer than 6 yards? Where was he in TDs? You don't consider TDs a "significant" category? Or is it that it is an inconvenient category to cite when trying to paint Campbell anything other than what he is ... mediocre .. pedestrian .. very average.

And I hate to confuse you with math, but The 19th place QB rating places Campbell solidly in the bottom half of QBs ... very close to the bottom third ..

This is the complex formula I use : 32 divided by 2 = 16. 16th is the middle of the pack and there are no trophy's awarded. 19th is below that and solidly places him in the also threw category

Why don't you come back from the ledge, drink a cup of hot cocoa and relax. JC is a decent QB with a decent chance of improving during his 2nd season with Zorn. It's okay, you can give up the fight and try to enjoy being a Skins fan again.

I am a Skin's fan. That's why I'm not a Jason Campbell fan. Better you stop drinking the kool aid, and face reality.

[PulpExposure]

[fleetus]

An improper rout will effect the timing passes that are thrown to a spot ... something Campbell doesn't do ...

And where was he with passes longer than 6 yards? Where was he in TDs? You don't consider TDs a "significant" category? Or is it that it is an inconvenient category to cite when trying to paint Campbell anything other than what he is ... mediocre .. pedestrian .. very average.

You can't have it both ways. You say he doesn't throw to a spot, yet he's 14th in the league in completion % during his first year in a WC system. But next, you call into question the length of his passes? Which is it, short passes or long passes that he doesn't do well?

It can't be both because he completed over 62% of them Go back and watch some game tape. I don't think anyone is arguing JC is a top tier QB yet. Problem is, you seem to think he's the worst QB in football. Yet, every reasonable measure of a QB's talent would show JC is AT LEAST middle of the pack. The only opinion to the contrary seems to be your jaded OPINION.

Why don't you come back from the ledge, drink a cup of hot cocoa and relax. JC is a decent QB with a decent chance of improving during his 2nd season with Zorn. It's okay, you can give up the fight and try to enjoy being a Skins fan again.

Ray, you're so intent on arguing one thing, that you have lost all objectivity. Doesn't it seem strange when your opinion seems to be the one that is farthest off in one direction? and it seems youre statements become a little more extreme each time in an effort to convince us how bad you think JC is. Were you a Skins fan when we won a SB with Rypien? Go look up how many sacks that OL gave up. That's what makes a good QB, plus players like Monk, Clark and Sanders. Our QB is much closer to that standard than our OL and WR's are. Complain on that for a change.

[tcwest10]

I like Koolaid.

[CanesSkins26]

Comp.% - 14th
Pass Yds - 16th
QB Rating - 19th

First of all, that's not very good. A qb rating of 19th is below average. You also conveniently left out some important stats:

TD's - 21st
Yards per game - 21st

Overall JC was a below average NFL qb last season.

[CanesSkins26]

You can't have it both ways. You say he doesn't throw to a spot, yet he's 14th in the league in completion % during his first year in a WC system. Shocked

Being 14th in completion percentage isn't anything other than mediocre. Transitioning to a West Coast offense should increase JC's completion percentage because the focus is more on short and intermediate passes, so it being his first year (as a pro) in the system doesn't have that much bearing on his completion %.

[SkinsFreak]

With all due respect to the "experts", I choose to form my own opinions based on facts and my own observations rather than allowing someone else tell me what to think based on theirs.

And there you have it, folks, right there in black and white. It doesn't matter what the PAID PROFESSIONALS think or say, RayNAustin forms his opinions based on his own observations.

Well done!

And not one comment of substance. Just rhetoric.

And the last time I checked, Matt Millen was a "PAID PROFESSIONAL" who turned the Lions into the only win less team in NFL History for a 16 game schedule.

The experts are always right though, even when they were wrong.

On that note I would just like to say I am very happy that there are people out trying to defend JC for once.

I do not like to see putting the blame on JC. The way I see it JC was trying to be the opposite of CP. Instead of saying- The offensive line can not pass block. My receivers can not get open. I only have a year and half starting experience in the NFL. We never give Betts the balls 10 a game to help relieve the burdon on Portis. Moss really isn't a number one receiver but really a number two. Our punt returns are responsible for keeping us in bad field possition.

Instead I think he was trying to be politically correct and say he had a great year considering....

Hey, welcome to the site, Kilmer72. Love your username, by the way.

Listen, we've been round and round with Ray regarding this issue for a long time now. Don't waste your time. The guy has a deep hatred for Campbell and any discussion using rationalization and reason seems to evade him. I mean, he's reached the pinnacle of prejudice with comments like these...

He's mentally ill altogether.

This clown, this buffoon, this ultra maroon (as buggs bunny would say) needs to GO dock...yesterday.

You might expect comments like that from an immature little kid, but Ray is not a kid. It's becoming sad and pathetic, actually. Campbell is highly respected around Redskins Park and around the entire league itself, for having extremely high character and work ethic. Campbell has had to face some adversity that not many QB's have ever matched in such a short period of time, with regard to the numerous coaching and system changes so early in his career. Yet a very small percentage of so-called fans resort to that kind of attack and prejudice. And if you show any kind of positive support or optimism for your starting QB, he'll accuse you of the same and assert that you're blindly drinking the kool-aid.