MakeRomoCry wrote:Damnit. Why couldnt this happen before Canty signed with the Giants?
This was a mistake. It's going to leave us a OT short? We'll go to the draft looking for a DE or a LB and the OL (and the offense as a whole) will again stink up the league. Dockery's not enough to even make up for the accelerating deterioration of Samuels, Thomas, Rabach, Jansen. The Skins still think you can play in the NFL with a second rate OL.
So predictable - on both sides. I don`t see much upside to this at all - sure we have saved some cap space but now we have another position to address without enough picks and time running along in free agency. What a waste of 2 draft picks for no real gain !! I know that I can say that with the benefit of hindsight but I did think it at the time. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and hope that someone on the roster steps up.
Jason Taylor was already retired in his mind when he was traded to us - his reasons for not accepting the work out clause whilst human are pathetic particularly when he knows what we gave for him and what he gave us - what a w----- !! In the Uk sportsman who go on the celeb dancing TV shows are either already retired or seriously in decline. It was a no-brainer - the signs were clear for all to see - we shouldn`t have touched him - he was already gone in his mind. Like so many of our FO decisions this hurts us twice.
My only hope now is that we can in some way address one of our remaining need positions in what is left of free agency because whatever trades we do on draft day i can`t see us picking up DE, RT, LB and possibly Safety with a 1st and a 3rd.
I think this family thing is a weak excuse. Sure, for a football player he's getting up there in years, but he's 34. It's not like he's going to miss his kids growing up because he spent a summer training to do his job and helping his team.
That's just some angle his agent and he concocted just to make him sound better in this whole thing.
That said, I still think we're idiots for just cutting him outright. There are no defensive linemen out there who can match his skill level and since we had the room to keep him (we were going to keep his salary the same if he signed) why would we have had trouble trading him?
He's been contacted by a DOZEN teams in the last 24 hours. So obviously this isn't a case of the Redskins just cutting a guy who can't hack it anymore, practically everyone in the league thinks he can play and that's going to be reflected in his next contract.
"Guess [Ryan Kerrigan] really does have a good motor. And is relentless. And never quits on a play. And just keeps coming. And probably eats Wheaties and drinks Apple Pie smoothies and shaves with Valvoline." -Dan Steinberg DC Sports Bog
Again is it that big of a deal where a guy workouts? How many times have Moss, CP and ST stayed in Miami to work out?? They had a contract in place and JT was willing to honor that contract but somehow it his fault. Saying he want to spend more time with his family is an excuse??? Do any of you have kids??? These guy are human and have lives you know they don't just exist to be a football player for the Redskins. I just can't wrap my head around our FO making a personnel decision based on where a guy workouts sorry.
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:Again is it that big of a deal where a guy workouts? How many times have Moss, CP and ST stayed in Miami to work out?? They had a contract in place and JT was willing to honor that contract but somehow it his fault. Saying he want to spend more time with his family is an excuse??? Do any of you have kids??? These guy are human and have lives you know they don't just exist to be a football player for the Redskins. I just can't wrap my head around our FO making a personnel decision based on where a guy workouts sorry.
Yeah, I do have children. Taylor accepted a job in D.C., and it's not unreasonable for his employer to ask him to spend some time at his place of employment.
Taylor didn't have a problem being away from his family for four months last year to be in L.A., which was NOT work related, so for him to say he can't be away from his family for 25 days for a WORK related issue is nonsense on his part. What other team will pay him $8.5 million? He turned down $8.5 million for 25 days in Miami.
DEHog wrote:As for JT after reading that I now have more respect for him!
Really? Use your family as an excuse not to go to work? Yeah, I'd love to spend more time with my family rather than going to work.
Taylor previously didn't have a problem being away from his family for 4 months in Los Angeles to be on a TV show though, did he? So Taylor would rather turn down $8.5M so he could have an extra 25 days with his family and friends. Yeah, that's smart. He could do 4 months in L.A. but can't do 25 days in Virginia.
I go to work but I have turned down higher paying jobs that have requied travel as to be with my family. Sorry but the jobs will be there in a few years my kids won't be.
He's not refusing to go to work I'm sure he'd have been at all the OTA he just didn't want to redo the contract agree upon last year. The sad part is he probally would have fair better this year with the addition of AH...but so will everyone else....I think we can agree there was a bit more to this don't u think??
I bet he gets double digit sacks next year!!
Taylor didn't turn down a job, he was already employed by the Redskins. Due to his injuries and the size of his contract, they simply asked him to spend 25 days in a work-out program that all players are asked to be a part of. He refused to do what his current employer asked him to do. But again I ask, he had no problem spending four months away from his family to be in L.A., did he?
And that's why they have contracts he choose to honor the contract as is.
As for LA maybe being away for that long is the very reason he wants to be home this offseason...
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
Yeah, the Redskins wanted him to work out in DC with his new teammate on the defensive line so we could improve our pass rush.
This stuff about his family is just an excuse, he's a multi millionaire, he couldn't fly them to DC to visit during the summer when they're out of school?
What nonsense, all the Redskins wanted was for him to spend some time rehabbing and working out in DC to avoid the struggles from last season and he refused... after saying himself he wasn't worth 8 million dollars.
"Guess [Ryan Kerrigan] really does have a good motor. And is relentless. And never quits on a play. And just keeps coming. And probably eats Wheaties and drinks Apple Pie smoothies and shaves with Valvoline." -Dan Steinberg DC Sports Bog
Sadly... He will go somewhere else and have a 10-11 sack season... Something he couldn't do here... That's the way the ball bounces for this team and the Wizards....
Fortunately for the area, Alex and the Young Guns give us hope for a strong playoff run.
With that being said... Snyder has a model of how to run a franchise right downtown at Verizon Center. What Leonsis has allowed McFee to do with the draft and their farm system is incredible. Their core players are all young and their farm team Hershey just keeps pumping them out. They locked up the superstar (Ovechkin (sp)) and have added young talent around him through the draft. They cut out the spending with the Jagr debacle and basically torn it down to build it back up. A novel idea huh???
Sean Taylor - 1983-2007 R.I.P.... Forever A Skin.....
DEHog wrote:Again is it that big of a deal where a guy workouts? How many times have Moss, CP and ST stayed in Miami to work out??
Well, first of all, they don't anymore. Secondly, the U is well known for an intense off-season work-out regiment. Thirdly, Taylor didn't say he was going to work-out in Miami, he said he wanted to spend time with his family. Just like with Parcel's, in a team sport, working out and training with the TEAM is hugely important. Show me a coach or a team that doesn't preach that simple team philosophy.
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Once again, the Washington Redskins have reworked Clinton Portis’ contract, clearing up cap space and ensuring that he will remain a Redskin for at least three more years. The contract includes a $9.3 million signing bonus in March and a guarantee of at least $15.7 million through 2010. Portis has reworked his contract in each of the last three years, so this is nothing new for the skins.
What is new, however, is that the team seems to be expecting him to participate more in practice and off-season activity. The Washington Post reports that Portis has been notorious for avoiding off-season workouts and unnamed former teammates complained that he was regularly seen goofing off when he does attend. Fortunately there’s signs that he’s been buckling down and working hard this year. Zorn and his people have also indicated that Clinton will no longer receive special privileges that he used to receive, including the ability to take himself out of the game when he felt like he needed to.
Portis has been a mainstay of the offseason workout program since March, keeping to a proper diet and working out in the weight room like never before after spending much of the last two seasons trying to overcome injuries and a tendency to become winded. Some days he has trained with linemen, pushing a sled weighed down by teammates, and he is looking more chiseled. He had been at Redskins Park essentially every working day before last Thursday, when Coach Jim Zorn excused him indefinitely. Zorn said he had no problems with Portis leaving to attend what Zorn said was "a celebration" and has praised Portis's work ethic.
DEHog wrote:Again is it that big of a deal where a guy workouts? How many times have Moss, CP and ST stayed in Miami to work out??
Well, first of all, they don't anymore. Secondly, the U is well known for an intense off-season work-out regiment. Thirdly, Taylor didn't say he was going to work-out in Miami, he said he wanted to spend time with his family. Just like with Parcel's, in a team sport, working out and training with the TEAM is hugely important. Show me a coach or a team that doesn't preach that simple team philosophy.
I think it's overrated and that why they have OTA’s and why the NFL made it voluntary during the off-season... the players would never get a day off if it was left up to the team...There are other things in life besides football you know,
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:Again is it that big of a deal where a guy workouts? How many times have Moss, CP and ST stayed in Miami to work out??
Well, first of all, they don't anymore. Secondly, the U is well known for an intense off-season work-out regiment. Thirdly, Taylor didn't say he was going to work-out in Miami, he said he wanted to spend time with his family. Just like with Parcel's, in a team sport, working out and training with the TEAM is hugely important. Show me a coach or a team that doesn't preach that simple team philosophy.
I think it's overrated and that why they have OTA’s and why the NFL made it voluntary during the off-season... the players would never get a day off if it was left up to the team...There are other things in life besides football you know,
The program is 3 days a week and they only asked JT to be available for 75% of that program.
Washington Post reports that Portis has been notorious for avoiding off-season workouts and unnamed former teammates complained that he was regularly seen goofing off when he does attend
I can understand why it was needed in his contract!!
And you quoted the Post ...shame on you, again proving my theory that whenever it fits your argument it OK to use the WP???
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:Again is it that big of a deal where a guy workouts? How many times have Moss, CP and ST stayed in Miami to work out??
Well, first of all, they don't anymore. Secondly, the U is well known for an intense off-season work-out regiment. Thirdly, Taylor didn't say he was going to work-out in Miami, he said he wanted to spend time with his family. Just like with Parcel's, in a team sport, working out and training with the TEAM is hugely important. Show me a coach or a team that doesn't preach that simple team philosophy.
I think it's overrated and that why they have OTA’s and why the NFL made it voluntary during the off-season... the players would never get a day off if it was left up to the team...There are other things in life besides football you know,
The program is 3 days a week and they only asked JT to be available for 75% of that program.
SF are you trying to convince me?? It is not out of the norm for a NFL play (especially of JT stature) to workout in his hometown or "spend time with his family" during the off-season. I find it laughable that the Skins cut him for that and would think JT could file a complaint with the players union if he so chooses.
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
And I find it laughable that you find it laughable.
I guess we'll all just have to agree to disagree.
"Guess [Ryan Kerrigan] really does have a good motor. And is relentless. And never quits on a play. And just keeps coming. And probably eats Wheaties and drinks Apple Pie smoothies and shaves with Valvoline." -Dan Steinberg DC Sports Bog
I think it's a lot different with a running back than as part of an offensive or defensive line.
So much on a line depends on teamwork and coordination with your fellow linemen.
A rusher obviously can't function without the line, but his rapport with them, or his QB aren't that important.
If CP wanted to go to Miami and show those kids the business I don't have a problem with it because I know those workouts are tough and he'll be in great shape.
OTOH, if he'd just been injured all season he probably should be in DC with his team to rehab. If he declined to work out with the team as asked, and it was the last year of his contract, and it actually saved us money... why not release him?
"Guess [Ryan Kerrigan] really does have a good motor. And is relentless. And never quits on a play. And just keeps coming. And probably eats Wheaties and drinks Apple Pie smoothies and shaves with Valvoline." -Dan Steinberg DC Sports Bog
In a surprising development, we’re told that Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall didn’t actually sign his new contract until Monday.
The deal was reported last week, at or about the time free agency opened.
The reason for the delay isn’t clear. It could be that the Redskins didn’t have the cap room after signing defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth on Friday.
There’s also a chance that the team needed to dump Jason Taylor’s $8.5 million cap number before getting the deal done. Then again, if Taylor had opted to insert a workout clause into his contract and if the team had opted to keep him, the Redskins would have been required to clear the cap space in other ways.
The practical reality here is that Hall technically remained a free agent through the weekend, and in theory could have shopped the offer in search of something better.
He didn’t, so it’s not really a story.
But it could have been.
Interesting
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
Skinsfan55 wrote: If CP wanted to go to Miami and show those kids the business I don't have a problem with it because I know those workouts are tough and he'll be in great shape.
You might not have a problem with it but SOMEONE would, considering the Skins added the same clause to CP's contract last year.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:I think it's a lot different with a running back than as part of an offensive or defensive line.
So much on a line depends on teamwork and coordination with your fellow linemen.
A rusher obviously can't function without the line, but his rapport with them, or his QB aren't that important.
If CP wanted to go to Miami and show those kids the business I don't have a problem with it because I know those workouts are tough and he'll be in great shape.
OTOH, if he'd just been injured all season he probably should be in DC with his team to rehab. If he declined to work out with the team as asked, and it was the last year of his contract, and it actually saved us money... why not release him?
He was injured and wasn't his practing a issue with Zorn all season long??
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
Did you guys see this in the Redskins Insider this morning:
Taylor did not mesh well with Blache, who apparently was not in favor of acquiring the six-time Pro Bowl pick, team sources said.
I just don't understand this stuff. The DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR was not in favor of adding Taylor? And yet we signed him anyway??
I just don't understand the way this team is run.
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riggofan wrote:Did you guys see this in the Redskins Insider this morning:
Taylor did not mesh well with Blache, who apparently was not in favor of acquiring the six-time Pro Bowl pick, team sources said.
I just don't understand this stuff. The DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR was not in favor of adding Taylor? And yet we signed him anyway??
I just don't understand the way this team is run.
That might explain why Blache didn't seem very interested in adjusting his defense to suit Taylor's strengths. But the bigger problem is obviously with the front office. Who in their right mind trades two picks for a player that his defensive coordinator doesn't want?? Makes no sense whatsoever.
CanesSkins26 wrote:That might explain why Blache didn't seem very interested in adjusting his defense to suit Taylor's strengths. But the bigger problem is obviously with the front office. Who in their right mind trades two picks for a player that his defensive coordinator doesn't want?? Makes no sense whatsoever.
The same FO that picks coordinators before hiring a HC...
"They didn't ask him to take a pay cut, they didn't want to take a nickel off the table, but Jason made a decision to where he just wanted to be with his family," Wichard said. "He has three young kids, and he wants to be around them.
"He is really dedicated to spending time with them at home, and he just felt very strongly about that. He had a conversation with Dan, and he told Dan his feelings about the situation. Jason really respects Dan, but this was very important to Jason."
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If he signs with a team like the Patriots, Eagles, or Green Bay, wouldn't he be further from his family? He makes me sick.
Really? Use your family as an excuse not to go to work? Yeah, I'd love to spend more time with my family rather than going to work.
