Roster Moves

[PulpExposure]

players seem to play better knowing their next contract in on the line.

While this is very frequently true, it's not the reason we're not signing him to an extension now. No team would ever say, let's "wait" to sign the quarterback of the future so he plays better. It's to answer the question if he's the quarterback of the future and how much of our money/cap we should sink into the guy. I've backed him as our best alternative, he's improved and the issues are not all his fault. But to sign the guy to a long term starting quarterback money now? I just haven't seen enough from him. We need to do everything possible to see if he's the guy or not.

We had a huge debate on the site all year that this was put up time for him. He partially delivered. I give him a B-/C+. He was adequate, sometimes a little more, not consistently enough. So we give him this year to decide if: he's the guy (we sign/franchise him), he's OK (we make an OK offer and expose other teams to like him more) or we finally cut bait and look elsewhere. It makes no sense to do that after being OK this year and improving some while having no other viable options. You don't just go sign franchise QBs and we have nothing past him right now.

Completely agree. However, you're more of a softy than I am. I'd squarely grade him at a C level. No turnovers...but no touchdowns...

[Trample the Elderly]

JLC doesn't say anything new. It was obvious from the end of the season what happened. With the restructured contracts it will be impossible to completely rebuild the O and D lines with only four draft picks and low FA money to sign quality players.
It took years to dig this hole. It will take years to climb out of it.

[SkinsJock]

players seem to play better knowing their next contract in on the line.

While this is very frequently true, it's not the reason we're not signing him to an extension now. No team would ever say, let's "wait" to sign the quarterback of the future so he plays better. It's to answer the question if he's the quarterback of the future and how much of our money/cap we should sink into the guy. I've backed him as our best alternative, he's improved and the issues are not all his fault. But to sign the guy to a long term starting quarterback money now? I just haven't seen enough from him. We need to do everything possible to see if he's the guy or not.

We had a huge debate on the site all year that this was put up time for him. He partially delivered. I give him a B-/C+. He was adequate, sometimes a little more, not consistently enough. So we give him this year to decide if: he's the guy (we sign/franchise him), he's OK (we make an OK offer and expose other teams to like him more) or we finally cut bait and look elsewhere. It makes no sense to do that after being OK this year and improving some while having no other viable options. You don't just go sign franchise QBs and we have nothing past him right now.

Completely agree. However, you're more of a softy than I am. I'd squarely grade him at a C level. No turnovers...but no touchdowns...

It is fair to re-iterate that Campbell could have helped himself a lot this past year and now he's up against it - this season is his chance - we shall see



We also will find out in the very near future how some of our players feel about how they played this year relative to the amount of money paid to them - I'm not sure of what cap implications a lot of these players have but IF any player is asked to reduce his salary based on what he did last year and does not want to then I hope the FO lets them go make a fortune somewhere else and if they show a marked improvement in their contribution to another team that is still fine with me - we do not need players whose only requirement is that they get paid a lot more than they are worth.

Jason Taylor - I thought had indicated that he would restructure based on what he did - this is especially hurtful because it also cost us 2 picks now I am one that thought that would work out but he owes this team and the FO for bringing him here and paying him a lot of money IMHO.

[CanesSkins26]

Jason Taylor - I thought had indicated that he would restructure based on what he did - this is especially hurtful because it also cost us 2 picks Shocked now I am one that thought that would work out but he owes this team and the FO for bringing him here and paying him a lot of money IMHO.

Taylor doesn't owe the team anything. The Skins FO made a stupid trade and brought in a guy that didn't fit in their system at all. They tried to turn Taylor into something that he isn't at this point in his career and now they are stuck with the consequences of that bad decision.

[1niksder]

Jason Taylor - I thought had indicated that he would restructure based on what he did - this is especially hurtful because it also cost us 2 picks Shocked now I am one that thought that would work out but he owes this team and the FO for bringing him here and paying him a lot of money IMHO.

Taylor doesn't owe the team anything. The Skins FO made a stupid trade and brought in a guy that didn't fit in their system at all. They tried to turn Taylor into something that he isn't at this point in his career and now they are stuck with the consequences of that bad decision.

Can we get back the draft picks that he wasn't worth?

Whatever he signs for if he's here will still equal the FO overpaying for a player that didn't fit the scheme and couldn't stay healthy.

[SkinsFreak]

players seem to play better knowing their next contract in on the line.

While this is very frequently true, it's not the reason we're not signing him to an extension now. No team would ever say, let's "wait" to sign the quarterback of the future so he plays better. It's to answer the question if he's the quarterback of the future and how much of our money/cap we should sink into the guy. I've backed him as our best alternative, he's improved and the issues are not all his fault. But to sign the guy to a long term starting quarterback money now? I just haven't seen enough from him. We need to do everything possible to see if he's the guy or not.

We had a huge debate on the site all year that this was put up time for him. He partially delivered. I give him a B-/C+. He was adequate, sometimes a little more, not consistently enough. So we give him this year to decide if: he's the guy (we sign/franchise him), he's OK (we make an OK offer and expose other teams to like him more) or we finally cut bait and look elsewhere. It makes no sense to do that after being OK this year and improving some while having no other viable options. You don't just go sign franchise QBs and we have nothing past him right now.

I also completely agree. But I was looking at it from a player perspective, not the team perspective. The team is wise not to re-sign him now and I agree with that. It just may give JC a little extra motivation to play at a higher level, which we need him to.

I guess I must be a softy too, because I actually think JC is going to get better. Note - I'm not inducting him into the HoF or saying he's going to the Pro Bowl, but I did see improvement and the fact still remains that his two best seasons, as a pro and in college, came playing in a WCO.

After the 6-2 start, many experts were impressed with him and several marked him as the mid-season MVP. I just think the combination of the mid-season pressure applied by Zorn, the mid-season implementation of a more complex playbook and the breakdown of the offensive line aided in JC getting flustered and losing a bit of confidence. I honestly believe he has the skills and a full offseason for Zorn, JC and the entire offense together could be extremely beneficial. We'll see. I know there are varying opinions and there's no need to beat that dead horse again.

Nevertheless, I believe the team is taking the right approach with regard to JC. There's no sense in offering him a contract extension at this time.

[VetSkinsFan]

After the 6-2 start, many experts were impressed with him and several marked him as the mid-season MVP. I just think the combination of the mid-season pressure applied by Zorn, the mid-season implementation of a more complex playbook and the breakdown of the offensive line aided in JC getting flustered and losing a bit of confidence. I honestly believe he has the skills and a full offseason for Zorn, JC and the entire offense together could be extremely beneficial. We'll see. I know there are varying opinions and there's no need to beat that dead horse again.

How can you not give credit to CP for this? JC wasn't doing anything exceptional short of not throwing turnovers, and as much as the ball was run during those 1st 8 games, it still wasn't way out. I guess it's also coincedental that when the the line and CP started breaking down, JC's "MVP vote" went down the tubes with 'em?

It baffles me to see how many people trivialize CP and the run game's importance in the 6-2 start we had last year. Or am I just off my rocker...

[VetSkinsFan]

Jason Taylor - I thought had indicated that he would restructure based on what he did - this is especially hurtful because it also cost us 2 picks Shocked now I am one that thought that would work out but he owes this team and the FO for bringing him here and paying him a lot of money IMHO.

Taylor doesn't owe the team anything. The Skins FO made a stupid trade and brought in a guy that didn't fit in their system at all. They tried to turn Taylor into something that he isn't at this point in his career and now they are stuck with the consequences of that bad decision.

Can we get back the draft picks that he wasn't worth?

Whatever he signs for if he's here will still equal the FO overpaying for a player that didn't fit the scheme and couldn't stay healthy.

I know he wasn't healthy for us, but I still have a hard time holding his injury against him. That was a freak injury.

As for not fitting in the system, I agreed on that from the day the talks started. After the signing, there was no use crying over spilt milk; I was trying to be positive and supportive. ...but what can we do? Let's hope for smarter decisions in the future I guess is about all we can do.

[SkinsFreak]

After the 6-2 start, many experts were impressed with him and several marked him as the mid-season MVP. I just think the combination of the mid-season pressure applied by Zorn, the mid-season implementation of a more complex playbook and the breakdown of the offensive line aided in JC getting flustered and losing a bit of confidence. I honestly believe he has the skills and a full offseason for Zorn, JC and the entire offense together could be extremely beneficial. We'll see. I know there are varying opinions and there's no need to beat that dead horse again.

How can you not give credit to CP for this? JC wasn't doing anything exceptional short of not throwing turnovers, and as much as the ball was run during those 1st 8 games, it still wasn't way out. I guess it's also coincedental that when the the line and CP started breaking down, JC's "MVP vote" went down the tubes with 'em?

It baffles me to see how many people trivialize CP and the run game's importance in the 6-2 start we had last year. Or am I just off my rocker...

Everyone deserves credit, Vet, I wasn't excluding Portis in any way. But it all starts up front. Portis ran better in the first half of the season because the line was blocking, as you said. When the line broke down, so went Portis, the run game and the pass game. That, combined with the two other circumstances I noted, effected the second half of the season.

But I think some folks have limited or selective memories. In the first half of the season, it wasn't just a lack of turnovers from JC that made some experts name him specifically as a mid-season MVP. JC was a league leader with regard to the overall QB rating. Just look at the difference between the first half of the season verses the second half. Major difference, and as JC did need to make more plays, a lack of a running game, the o-line breakdown (now admitted by the organization) lead to a drop off in QB numbers.

My only point was that I believe JC and the entire offense will get better with a full season under their belt and a full offseason together.

[Cappster]

After the 6-2 start, many experts were impressed with him and several marked him as the mid-season MVP. I just think the combination of the mid-season pressure applied by Zorn, the mid-season implementation of a more complex playbook and the breakdown of the offensive line aided in JC getting flustered and losing a bit of confidence. I honestly believe he has the skills and a full offseason for Zorn, JC and the entire offense together could be extremely beneficial. We'll see. I know there are varying opinions and there's no need to beat that dead horse again.

How can you not give credit to CP for this? JC wasn't doing anything exceptional short of not throwing turnovers, and as much as the ball was run during those 1st 8 games, it still wasn't way out. I guess it's also coincedental that when the the line and CP started breaking down, JC's "MVP vote" went down the tubes with 'em?

It baffles me to see how many people trivialize CP and the run game's importance in the 6-2 start we had last year. Or am I just off my rocker...

Everyone deserves credit, Vet, I wasn't excluding Portis in any way. But it all starts up front. Portis ran better in the first half of the season because the line was blocking, as you said. When the line broke down, so went Portis, the run game and the pass game. That, combined with the two other circumstances I noted, effected the second half of the season.

But I think some folks have limited or selective memories. In the first half of the season, it wasn't just a lack of turnovers from JC that made some experts name him specifically as a mid-season MVP. JC was a league leader with regard to the overall QB rating. Just look at the difference between the first half of the season verses the second half. Major difference, and as JC did need to make more plays, a lack of a running game, the o-line breakdown (now admitted by the organization) lead to a drop off in QB numbers.

My only point was that I believe JC and the entire offense will get better with a full season under their belt and a full offseason together.

The only way our offense will get better and sustain the improvement is if we get younger on the O-Line. The guys up front have talent, but run out of gas to be effective the whole season.

[ChocolateMilk]

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Re ... _31749.jsp

REDSKINS PARK, LOUDOUN COUNTY, VA. -- The Redskins have signed kicker Dave Rayner and running back-kick returner Dominique Dorsey.

Rayner has been with seven different teams since entering the league in 2005.

For his career, he has played in 43 games and connected on 42-of-59 field goals and 48-of-49 PATs.

Rayner, 6-2 and 210 pounds was drafted by the Indianapolis Colts in the sixth round of the 2005 NFL Draft.

He played in all 16 games for the Green Bay Packers in 2006 and connected on 26-of-35 field goals and 31-of-32 PATs for 109 points.

Since then, Rayner has played for the Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers and Cincinnati Bengals. He has also had short stints with the Miami Dolphins and Detroit Lions.

Rayner played college football at Michigan State.

Dorsey, 5-7 and 170 pounds, spent the last three years as a return specialist and running back in the Canadian Football League. He played for Saskatchewan in 2006 and Toronto in 2007-08.

Dorsey was a CFL all-star with Toronto in 2008 and also earned the John Agro Special Teams Award as the league’s most outstanding special teams player.

Dorsey played college football at UNLV.

looks like we're bringing in some competition at special teams. good to hear. hah even if the kicker doesnt have that great of a track-record.

[fleetus]

You know, Portis complained publicly about the blocking and reduced carries in the 2nd half of the season, but, if you were Zorn, what could you do? You have an OL that is banged up. You have a RB that is banged up. If you're Zorn in week 9, you have to think, if we are going to the playoffs in 8 weeks, we need Portis to be healthy. If the Ol is banged up, do you really want to grind out wins in weeks 9-12 by pounding Portis at defenses 40 times a game? No way! There is no way that Portis could be effective down the stretch run towards and DURING the playoffs, if he has 6 different injuries and hasn't practiced with the team in 2 months. So the 2-6 collapse was not all that surprising if you think about it. We lost the little bit of momentum and confidence that we had built up during the first 8 weeks. Then you have Portis blabbing about our troubles to anyone who would listen. That didn't help turn things around one bit. But Zorn was in a tough predicament and unless you can count on the WR's to win a few games every once in awhile, you aren't going to make it through an NFC East season with Portis alone.

[PulpExposure]

You know, Portis complained publicly about the blocking and reduced carries in the 2nd half of the season, but, if you were Zorn, what could you do? You have an OL that is banged up. You have a RB that is banged up. If you're Zorn in week 9, you have to think, if we are going to the playoffs in 8 weeks, we need Portis to be healthy. If the Ol is banged up, do you really want to grind out wins in weeks 9-12 by pounding Portis at defenses 40 times a game? No way! There is no way that Portis could be effective down the stretch run towards and DURING the playoffs, if he has 6 different injuries and hasn't practiced with the team in 2 months. So the 2-6 collapse was not all that surprising if you think about it. We lost the little bit of momentum and confidence that we had built up during the first 8 weeks. Then you have Portis blabbing about our troubles to anyone who would listen. That didn't help turn things around one bit. But Zorn was in a tough predicament and unless you can count on the WR's to win a few games every once in awhile, you aren't going to make it through an NFC East season with Portis alone.

Compounding the problem is when Portis got hurt...Betts was hurt. And they only got healthy about the same time. That's absurd "luck."

[Chris Luva Luva]

The 2-6 downturn happened because we didn't have a passing game. Our amazing start was due to an amazing running game that was whored out and subsequently broke down. There wasn't a passing game to keep the boat afloat...

[Bob 0119]

The 2-6 downturn happened because we didn't have a passing game. Our amazing start was due to an amazing running game that was whored out and subsequently broke down. There wasn't a passing game to keep the boat afloat...

Exactly right.

[Chris Luva Luva]

The 2-6 downturn happened because we didn't have a passing game. Our amazing start was due to an amazing running game that was whored out and subsequently broke down. There wasn't a passing game to keep the boat afloat...

Exactly right.

Not only could the passing game not keep the team afloat, it was the DIRECT reason why the running game fell apart. They whored out Portis. Now... lemme see you guys have to carry your team at work and see how you like it... Portis has carried this team since he came here. The passing game has been absent and it's killing his longevity. It has ALREADY killed his burst of speed that he was known for. Some of yall here are just blind...ugh nevermind...

This is what frickin pisses me off... Portis is a gotdarned beast. He WAS THE MVP AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE MVP. He was killing teams, singlehandedly. I don't give a rats-youknowwhat if he can't break an 80 yard TD!!! WHO GIVES A FLYING-YOUKNOWWHAT? He was winning the games (with great credit to the offensive line).

Where does the blame fall?
Zorn -
a. for failing to implement his passing offense to a degree that it could score points. I mean really now... It was horrifically pathetic. 11 points a game.
b. for failing to utilize his WR corps correctly ( see Antwaan I'mvastlyoverrated Randel El and James I'mmabillionyearsold Thrash)
c. For being a stubborn idiot. Now I know he couldn't throw in the towel but many of us saw the writing on the wall even though many here didn't want to believe. He didn't put in the young blood to prepare for the next year. ARE at PR, come on?!? James Thrash???!?! My goodness. And it continues because there are no reports that he's going to alleviate any of the workload off of his plate. He was overwhelmed.

Fred Davis not played until the end of the season?
Kelly benched (when healthy according to a TRUSTED THNer who SPOKE TO KELLY) in favor of James mothereffing Thrash.... GOTDANGIT I'M GETTING PISSED ABOUT THIS.

Jason - for failing to grow as a QB. There are things that are out of his control in regards to his growth but there are things he should know by now.


I gotta stop before....jeeezus.

[Bob 0119]

Easy there, big fella.

I know it's a rare day when you and I agree, but I was actually agreeing with you.

I think the lack of a deep passing game killed our offense last year.

Defenses didn't have to play any deeper than 20 yards off the line of scrimmage and could easily convert their safties into pass-rushers since it became apparent that we had no intention of throwing the ball further than seven yards...on third and 14!

I thought your assesment was dead on.

I know, it felt weird for me too...

[SkinsFreak]

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Sign_Rayner__Dorsey_31749.jsp

REDSKINS PARK, LOUDOUN COUNTY, VA. -- The Redskins have signed kicker Dave Rayner and running back-kick returner Dominique Dorsey.

Dorsey, 5-7 and 170 pounds, spent the last three years as a return specialist and running back in the Canadian Football League. He played for Saskatchewan in 2006 and Toronto in 2007-08.

Dorsey was a CFL all-star with Toronto in 2008 and also earned the John Agro Special Teams Award as the league’s most outstanding special teams player.

Dorsey played college football at UNLV.

looks like we're bringing in some competition at special teams. good to hear. hah even if the kicker doesnt have that great of a track-record.

Looking to find a little spark for their special teams unit, the Washington Redskins went to a source that is very familiar to local football fans — former Tulare Union star Dominique Dorsey.

The Redskins signed Dorsey to a free-agent contract on Wednesday. Dorsey, a 2001 Tulare Union graduate who starred for Tulare Union's 1999 and 2000 Yosemite Division small school championship teams, spent the past two years with the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League. In 2008, he earned the John Argo Special Teams Award, awarded to the league's most outstanding special teams player.

Dorsey, 25, led the CFL in all-purpose yards in 2008 with 2,892 yards despite missing five games because of an injury. After compiling 2,834 yards on the ground in a Rebels career that concluded in 2004, Dorsey made a name for himself in the Canadian Football League. His biggest impact came in a two-year run with the Toronto Argonauts, which concluded just a few months ago.

In his first season in Toronto, Dorsey led the CFL in all-purpose yards with 1,628 despite missing five games with an injury. In 2008, he was unanimously selected as the team's most outstanding player and was also tapped as the CFL's Outstanding Special Teams Player.

Dorsey was the Mountain West Conference rushing champion in 2004 at UNLV, where he ranks second on the school's all-time rushing list with 2,834 yards.

Dorsey is the Central Section's all-time leading rusher. He rushed for 7,761 yards during his three-year varsity career at Tulare Union. At one time, he held the state's all-time record for yards rushing.

The comparison to Sproles is only natural.

The fourth-year running back out of Kansas State, who checks in at 5-foot-6 and 181 pounds, broke out late this season when LaDainian Tomlinson was hobbled. He ran for 330 yards on 61 carries, mostly late in the season, and compiled 342 more yards on 29 carries. He also was a dangerous punt and kick returner, who put the team on his back in advancing San Diego to the Divisional Playoffs. They lost on the road to eventual Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh.

"I don't really watch the games, but I'm not gonna sit here and say I haven't seen Sproles before," he said. "People might say it's a disadvantage, but to our advantage, we're smaller, and it's kind of hard to find someone of our stature when you get caught up in a mixture."

Dorsey, who could have become a free agent in the CFL later this month, also worked out for the Minnesota Vikings and Indianapolis Colts. He said the Redskins have offered him the chance be a return specialist, with the potential of being a change-of-pace runner out of the backfield.

"Washington really jumped at me," he said. "They really saw what I could do and liked what I displayed on film, as well as in person, regardless of my size. It was one of those situations where it looked like it was meant to be."

Check out these videos of Dorsey posted on Redskins.com. He looks pretty good and it appears Vinny is already looking for a replacement for ARE and possibly Rock. Dorsey could also be a good change of pace RB. I'm pulling for this kid, he looks sharp.

[Jake]

http://www.the-hogs.net/blogs/2009/02/05 ... nd-dorsey/

[VetSkinsFan]

Dorsey, 5-7 and 170 pounds

Who's going to take his place when it gets gusty? He'll get blown away.

[Countertrey]

I think this is all a ploy to get BH back to posting...

[1niksder]

REDSKINS ADD TO OFF-SEASON ROSTER

The Redskins have signed eight players, including five who ended last season on the team’s roster or practice squad.

Punter Zac Atterberry, long snapper Jeremy Cain, fullback Jonathan Evans, defensive back Michael Grant, wide receiver Marques Hagans, offensive linemen Rueben Riley and Isaiah Ross and linebacker Tyson Smith were added to the roster.

Cain has the most NFL experience of the group. He has played in 17 career games with the Tennessee Titans and Chicago Bears and also spent time with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Evans, 6-1 and 247 pounds, was in training camp with the Buffalo Bills last year. He also had a preseason stint with the Titans in 2007.

Atterberry had a stint on the Bears’ practice squad last season.

Smith ended the 2008 season on the Redskins’ 53-man roster. The team had signed him five days before the season finale in San Francisco, but he did not play in the game.

Grants, Hagans, Riley and Ross were on the Redskins’ practice squad at the end of last season.

[spudstr04]

Redskins signed WR Marques Hagans, P Zac Atterberry, LS Jeremy Cain, FB Jonathan Evans, CB Michael Grant, OL Rueben Riley, OL Isaiah Ross, and LB Tyson Smith to reserve/future contracts.

With position versatility, Riley isn't a bad guy for the Skins to take a chance on when they're desperate for young linemen. Grant has great speed, but probably is too raw to help yet. Hagans is a fourth-year journeyman.

http://www.rotoworld.com


Reuben Riley is 6'3'' and 300+ pounds. He played at Michigan and seems to be the best out of this group to have the chance to contribute.

[redskins14ru]

Dorsey, 5-7 and 170 pounds

Who's going to take his place when it gets gusty? He'll get blown away.

Id just break some tackles against the eagles if I were him but with he and rock and snyder wait what a combo and why not do the math 25 of 35 for the new bootie kickers best year is alright but wahts his long

[VetSkinsFan]

Dorsey, 5-7 and 170 pounds

Who's going to take his place when it gets gusty? He'll get blown away.

Id just break some tackles against the eagles if I were him but with he and rock and snyder wait what a combo and why not do the math 25 of 35 for the new bootie kickers best year is alright but wahts his long

I cannot comprehend this "statement."