Will JC do better than last year?

por-tiz2skins · Post by **por-tiz2skins** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:00 pm

With his 2nd season coming up with the WCO will he get better?.

:I'll predict.....NO".

But I hope he does, if we would of made the playoffs we could be rematching the Steelers at the SB.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:14 pm

He must.

MDSKINSFAN · Post by **MDSKINSFAN** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:49 pm

Yes... but I have absolutely nothing to back that up. I just hope he is.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:06 pm

por-tiz2skins wrote:With his 2nd season coming up with the WCO will he get better?.

:I'll predict.....NO".

But I hope he does, if we would of made the playoffs we could be rematching the Steelers at the SB.

Hey por-tiz2skins...... is that really YOU? Long long time buddy ole pal.
Welcome back. I thought you were banished to Siberia.... :lol:

Any way, JC will choke it up next season unless he gets his head screwed on right and practices with all his wideouts.... Practice, we talkin bout Practice...practice...talkin bout practice.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:06 pm

Not a chance unless we replace at least three O linemen with studs.

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:52 pm

I hope so but do not believe he will improve. I think he is and will always be what you see now. I am not sure a better O-line or taller receivers would help. Unfortunately, I do not think the Redskins have anyone else. I would like to see an open competition for the quarterback position next year rather than just giving it to Campbell. Maybe Collins or Brenner will surprise us. Maybe not.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:42 pm

I hope so but doubt it very much.

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:23 pm

Did everyone forget that when the offensive line was healthy and playing awesome (first 8 weeks) Jason Campbell was also playing awesome? If the Redskins draft young OL and get the vets healthy, then I see no reason why J-C wouldn't improve.

Trample the Elderly · Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:09 am

If he doesn't no contract.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:40 am

Well if he doesn't here's hoping for a high draft pick becuase alot of good college QB's will be coming out.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:05 am

You're not asking the correct question....

Will he do better? Of course he'll be better... He's not a total turd of a QB. He's just mediocre at this point.

Will he be what we need him to be? I doubt it. He doesn't have the natural tools to be good for us. We need a guy with a quick release and Jason doesn't have that. He's too long, too slow and too deliberate.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:53 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:You're not asking the correct question....

Will he do better? Of course he'll be better... He's not a total turd of a QB. He's just mediocre at this point.

Will he be what we need him to be? I doubt it. He doesn't have the natural tools to be good for us. We need a guy with a quick release and Jason doesn't have that. He's too long, too slow and too deliberate.

count me in - Campbell is not a bad QB, he's actually pretty good. He's just not good enough.

Saying he needs this or that is not the point - he should be good enough without a great line OR without great players around him.

He's good but he's not good enough :wink:

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:14 am

Campbell is already pretty good. Not great, I agree, but pretty good skills. Matt Hasselbeck wasn't very good at first either, and took him several years under Zorn to become a Pro Bowler. I honestly think with Zorn's tutelage, JC will be better and has enormous potential. I believe JC is better at that point than Hasselbeck was at the same point. I also believe JC will mature quicker than Hasselbeck did.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:49 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:You're not asking the correct question....

Will he do better? Of course he'll be better... He's not a total turd of a QB. He's just mediocre at this point.

Will he be what we need him to be? I doubt it. He doesn't have the natural tools to be good for us. We need a guy with a quick release and Jason doesn't have that. He's too long, too slow and too deliberate.

I agree with this. JC has improved every season, and I see no reason to think he will not continue to improve next year. He just doesn't have the intangibles to be a great NFL QB. He rarely makes something out of nothing, like the better QBs around the league do, and can't seem to put the team on his shoulders and win games when those around him are not at their best.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:59 am

I've been pouring over scouting reports, and they seem to jive with what we're all seeing and hearing.

Jason doesn't see the whole field well, has a little bit of a wind up in his throw, sometimes lacks long accuracy...

He's also got a lot of positives, he can make plays with his legs, has a lot of arm strength, is very accurate on short to medium range, good intangibles, good touch, good timing... etc.

Jason Campbell may never be a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but he's a good NFL QB and if used right he could be a Pro Bowler.

Let's not forget he's only 27 and it just now going to get a second season in the NFL with the same system... a system in which he excelled at Auburn. The West Coast Offense.

Since the point of Campbell's future is kind of moot for next year (he's obviously coming back and starting) what's the argument about? We'll all get a chance to watch his progress.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:05 pm

spudstr04 wrote:Did everyone forget that when the offensive line was healthy and playing awesome (first 8 weeks) Jason Campbell was also playing awesome? If the Redskins draft young OL and get the vets healthy, then I see no reason why J-C wouldn't improve.

He was riding a healthy CP. His yardage still wasn't great. Amazingly, when CP and the o-line 'broke down' then so did JC? Too much of a coincidence for me.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:18 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
spudstr04 wrote:Did everyone forget that when the offensive line was healthy and playing awesome (first 8 weeks) Jason Campbell was also playing awesome? If the Redskins draft young OL and get the vets healthy, then I see no reason why J-C wouldn't improve.

He was riding a healthy CP. His yardage still wasn't great. Amazingly, when CP and the o-line 'broke down' then so did JC? Too much of a coincidence for me.

No, you see that's the exact opposite of a coincidence... It's causation.

When your supporting cast breaks down it's more difficult to continue at a high level.

Hell, if any good QB in this league Brees, McNabb, etc. etc. all of a sudden lost their running and offensive line production they'd be screwed.

The fact that Campbell did so well under adverse circumstances speaks well of him IMO.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:31 pm

Hell, if any good QB in this league Brees, McNabb, etc. etc. all of a sudden lost their running and offensive line production they'd be screwed.

McNabb has a running game?? Bad example!

broomboy · Post by **broomboy** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:36 pm

DEHog wrote:
Hell, if any good QB in this league Brees, McNabb, etc. etc. all of a sudden lost their running and offensive line production they'd be screwed.

McNabb has a running game?? Bad example!

You don't think teams gameplan against Westbrook? That's absurd. He is a very dangerous back and he is one of the focal points every team plans against. Most teams try to shut down their run game by stacking men in the box and then hope McNabb and his average recievers can't get open.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:46 pm

broomboy wrote:
DEHog wrote:
Hell, if any good QB in this league Brees, McNabb, etc. etc. all of a sudden lost their running and offensive line production they'd be screwed.

McNabb has a running game?? Bad example!

You don't think teams gameplan against Westbrook? That's absurd. He is a very dangerous back and he is one of the focal points every team plans against. Most teams try to shut down their run game by stacking men in the box and then hope McNabb and his average recievers can't get open.

Of course I do...I don't think he scares them as much from the backfield as much as he does out of the back field...the Eagles just don't run the ball very well or that much. McNabb doesn't rely on a running game for his sucess. The Eales can and have won without a running game...so while I agree with what SF55 said I just don't agree with the Eagles has an example.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:09 pm

DEHog wrote:
Hell, if any good QB in this league Brees, McNabb, etc. etc. all of a sudden lost their running and offensive line production they'd be screwed.

McNabb has a running game?? Bad example!

Westbrook has averaged 1162 yards rushing a year the past 3 seasons, at 4.67 yards per carry.

Portis in the same time frame has averaged 1090 rushing yards per year, at 4.12 yards per carry.

Apparently, McNabb has a better running game than the Redskins QBs do. :wink:

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:38 pm

Will JC do better than last year?

Yes.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:40 pm

DEHog wrote:
Hell, if any good QB in this league Brees, McNabb, etc. etc. all of a sudden lost their running and offensive line production they'd be screwed.

McNabb has a running game?? Bad example!

Could you count to 5 before posting. It might help you from being completely wrong all the time.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:28 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:
DEHog wrote:
Hell, if any good QB in this league Brees, McNabb, etc. etc. all of a sudden lost their running and offensive line production they'd be screwed.

McNabb has a running game?? Bad example!

Could you count to 5 before posting. It might help you from being completely wrong all the time.

If I could I would :roll:

As I said...Philly does not rely on it runng game for their sucess. You have to look at there recent run in the playoffs...I'm not taking anything away from Westbrook but the Eagles can and do win without him.
I live here in Philly country and they rip Reid all the time for not running enough.

Why don't you try looking up the stats that PE posted before you make the stupid statement you did!!!

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:16 pm

The Eagles do NOT win without Brian Westbrook.

Not only is he an explosive runner, but he's almost unmatched as a receiver out of the backfield.

Here's their receiving stats since 2004:

Portis- 71 games, 162 receptions (2.3 per game), 1,228 yards (17.3 per game), 2 TD (all in 2004).

Westbrook- 69 games, 355 receptions (5.1 per game), 3,191 yards (46.2 per game), 24 TD.

Brian Westbrook averages 638 yards a season with 5 TDs. He's a serious weapon for McNabb and he adds just as much with the run game. (Which has already been shown is more than the Redskins can muster.

So it's actually a pretty sterling example.

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