Rogers gone?

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:13 pm

So, after we develop one of our OWN draft picks, a top ten draft pick for that matter, and right after he's matured and been coached up in the system to the point that he's had his best season to date, an excellent season mind you... now you want to trade him????

:roll:

Yet these very same people who are suggesting this trade are the very same ones who endlessly bash Snyder and Cerrato for not building through the draft and developing their own players. Brilliant. :roll:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:46 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:these very same people who are suggesting this trade are the very same ones who endlessly bash Snyder and Cerrato for not building through the draft and developing their own players. Brilliant.

It does make you wonder, doesn't it Freak?

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:24 pm

SkinsFreak wrote: Yet these very same people who are suggesting this trade are the very same ones who endlessly bash Snyder and Cerrato for not building through the draft and developing their own players. Brilliant.

Heh!

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:14 pm

I am on record as thinking that we will have Hall, Rogers and Landry playing with us this season.

I am also hoping that Landry will develop into the type of leader of our defense that he is capable of - this is a "player" and IMHO a future great player for our team.

We might see some interest in Rogers but I would be very surprised if anyone will be able to get him away from us.

jdubya · Post by **jdubya** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:59 pm

funbunch65 wrote:If we can get a 2nd round pick out of this guy we have to send him. I take that back if we sign D Hall then send Rogers. We have got to get back up in the second round we have some serious pressing needs in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Rogers is overrated, I have seen him get burnt on numerous occasions and he can't catch a cold. WE will not miss him.

be careful mentioning his inability to catch anything in this thread....

It doesn't matter around here.

:lol:

funbunch65 · Post by **funbunch65** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:12 pm

jdubya wrote:
funbunch65 wrote:If we can get a 2nd round pick out of this guy we have to send him. I take that back if we sign D Hall then send Rogers. We have got to get back up in the second round we have some serious pressing needs in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Rogers is overrated, I have seen him get burnt on numerous occasions and he can't catch a cold. WE will not miss him.

be careful mentioning his inability to catch anything in this thread....

It doesn't matter around here.

I'm not as worried about his inability to catch as his ability to get burnt. We had another corner that had paddles for hands and still managed to be a HOF corner, Mr. Green of course. Green was an excellent cover corner that as far as I remember hardly ever got beat deep. Rogers on the other hand gets beat and can't catch. Don't get me wrong Rogers isn't a bad corner just because he get's beat every now and then, I'm just saying he won't be missed for a second rounder.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:31 pm

The biggest downside to getting rid of Rogers, in my mind, is that we'll have to use $9 million in cap space for Springs next year, plus we'll need his replacement for half of the season, in addition to Roger's replacement. That's two new CBs we'll need, that much less cap space, with only a 2nd round pick to show for it.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:29 am

Irn-Bru wrote:The biggest downside to getting rid of Rogers, in my mind, is that we'll have to use $9 million in cap space for Springs next year, plus we'll need his replacement for half of the season, in addition to Roger's replacement. That's two new CBs we'll need, that much less cap space, with only a 2nd round pick to show for it.

Exactly. Thank you. :hail:

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:37 am

Well if this makes things a little clearer, Modells in Annapolis is selling Rogers, Jansen, and Marcus Washington jerseys for $20 while the other Skins jerseys are now 25% off ($60).

Usually that's an indication of things to come.

Trample the Elderly · Post by **Trample the Elderly** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:33 pm

I was on the trade a pick for Rodgers boat myself. Thank God for these blogs because they've taught me that's a bad move. We got CR for another year on contract and he's not that bad of a player. If he leaves after next year then we could possibly get a draft pick for him regardless from what I've read. Anyone with more draft knowledge feel free to chime in it you know something that I don't.

If Hall doesn't bite then we're down a guy. Carlos should stay. The real question is over Springs or Hall. Besides if we need picks then Moss would make the most sense. We get more than one pick for him and it wouldn't bite us as hard with the cap. We've got a lot of depth on WR even though it isn't that good. If you just want to win next year and not build the team this wouldn't make sense. If you want more picks for this year and next and want a youth movement it does.

IMO the Skins would be best served if they cut Washington and brought him back on the cheap as a back-up. We could do this with a few players. That's a win win for everybody. We have veteran depth with younger guys taking snaps.

Hall may be too expensive and so would Springs. We could release Springs or get him to restructure his contract. Win win again for us. We free up cap room and if they don't return so be it. I'm not sold on Hall either way but I do know he'll be expensive. He does want to play here and that's a good thing for us and him. We'll get the most from him if he does stay and he's young. If he doesn't we didn't spend a lot of money that we could've used to get two other reliable FAs without the big name. Dansby might be too expensive now and I'm not sold on Haynesworth either. There are other reliable guys that wouldn't be too expensive and buy us some time until we can draft some quality players.

The Skins could do this with a couple of players like Jansen. Heyer didn't prove he could do it but that still leaves us with a gaping hole at RT. Taylor will probably be released simply because of Cap. If we do sign Hall then Taylor will probably be gone.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:55 pm

funbunch65 wrote:
jdubya wrote:
funbunch65 wrote:If we can get a 2nd round pick out of this guy we have to send him. I take that back if we sign D Hall then send Rogers. We have got to get back up in the second round we have some serious pressing needs in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Rogers is overrated, I have seen him get burnt on numerous occasions and he can't catch a cold. WE will not miss him.

be careful mentioning his inability to catch anything in this thread....

It doesn't matter around here.

I'm not as worried about his inability to catch as his ability to get burnt. We had another corner that had paddles for hands and still managed to be a HOF corner, Mr. Green of course. Green was an excellent cover corner that as far as I remember hardly ever got beat deep. Rogers on the other hand gets beat and can't catch. Don't get me wrong Rogers isn't a bad corner just because he get's beat every now and then, I'm just saying he won't be missed for a second rounder.

Green was the NFL's fastest man in his 30s ('91 being his last year) and was still running 4.2 40m in his late 30s. The fact that he could catch anyone from behind (called "catch-up speed" by some) in his late 30s help this.

To compare Rogers to Green is like comparing Spaghettios to Olive Garden. It just ain't right.

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:26 am

Equating Olive Garden with Darrell Green just ain't right either...

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:00 pm

USAFSkinFan wrote:Equating Olive Garden with Darrell Green just ain't right either...

<sigh> I think the point was understood...

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:01 pm

Since we're talking about Rogers and possible changes in the secondary, I hope Landry really improves next season... he's just not yet become a play maker.

With Springs, and Hall as corners we need Landry to really step up and make some plays.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:28 pm

funbunch65 wrote:We had another corner that had paddles for hands and still managed to be a HOF corner, Mr. Green of course.

Green didn't have bad hands. Where are you getting that from? He had at least one INT every season of his career, except the last one.

funbunch65 · Post by **funbunch65** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:44 pm

JSPB22 wrote:
funbunch65 wrote:We had another corner that had paddles for hands and still managed to be a HOF corner, Mr. Green of course.

Green didn't have bad hands. Where are you getting that from? He had at least one INT every season of his career, except the last one.

I got that from watching the games, and I remember the guys in the booth were always talking about it. He was a great corner that was going to be around the ball if it was thrown to his side, so he is bound to catch one every now and then. So that stat isn't a very good example.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:06 pm

I also watched the games, and don't remember announcers ever talking about it, not that announcers' opinions are worth anything anyway. And his INT streak is indeed relevant, as he set an NFL record for that particular stat.

funbunch65 · Post by **funbunch65** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:22 pm

JSPB22 wrote:I also watched the games, and don't remember announcers ever talking about it, not that announcers' opinions are worth anything anyway. And his INT streak is indeed relevant, as he set an NFL record for that particular stat.

His interception streak was due to his longevity and durability. This by no means meant that he had good hands. I do not know a starting corner in the league that is going to play a full season and not record a single interception, therefore his interception streak is more of a testament to his longevity not pass catching ability.

My bad didn't mean to turn this topic into a D. Green discussion

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:09 pm

funbunch65 wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:I also watched the games, and don't remember announcers ever talking about it, not that announcers' opinions are worth anything anyway. And his INT streak is indeed relevant, as he set an NFL record for that particular stat.

His interception streak was due to his longevity and durability. This by no means meant that he had good hands. I do not know a starting corner in the league that is going to play a full season and not record a single interception, therefore his interception streak is more of a testament to his longevity not pass catching ability.

My bad didn't mean to turn this topic into a D. Green discussion

say what

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:25 pm

funbunch65 wrote:I do not know a starting corner in the league that is going to play a full season and not record a single interception

Then you don't follow the NFL, but some other "league." :roll:

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:47 pm

JSPB22 wrote:Then you don't follow the NFL, but some other "league."

Shots fired!

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:50 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:Then you don't follow the NFL, but some other "league."

Shots fired!

Just a warning across the bow. :lol:

funbunch65 · Post by **funbunch65** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:28 pm

JSPB22 wrote:
funbunch65 wrote:I do not know a starting corner in the league that is going to play a full season and not record a single interception

Then you don't follow the NFL, but some other "league."

Well there are over 50 players tied at 112th in the NFL in interceptions with 1 a piece. I think that pretty much covers it.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:40 pm

funbunch65 wrote:

I'm not as worried about his inability to catch as his ability to get burnt. We had another corner that had paddles for hands and still managed to be a HOF corner, Mr. Green of course.

Green MAY have dropped half of his catch-able INTs (AND THAT IS A STRETCH!), but C Rog drops about 9 out of every 10 catch-able INTs.

Green's hand may not have been great, but I never remember him being called Darrell "hands of stone" Green, like Carlos. There are bad hands and then there are pathetic hands. Rogers falls into the pathetic category.

That being said, he shouldn't go anywhere! He would be an excellent nickel back.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:40 am

JSPB22 wrote:I also watched the games, and don't remember announcers ever talking about it, not that announcers' opinions are worth anything anyway. And his INT streak is indeed relevant, as he set an NFL record for that particular stat.

I'm with you JSPB22. I watched almost his entire career and I don't recall bad hands either. I'm not saying he was Jerry Rice, but I sure don't remember him looking like he's trying to catch a pea in mid air with chop sticks like Rogers does.