I know, I know.....but

[Deadskins]

here we are yet again on the eve of the draft with only 4 picks???

But last year we had 10 picks, so that averages out to seven a season, every team's base number. I'm not discounting your overall point, which is valid, just arguing that it takes time to reverse years of FA signings and poor drafting.

[DEHog]

here we are yet again on the eve of the draft with only 4 picks???

But last year we had 10 picks, so that averages out to seven a season, every team's base number. I'm not discounting your overall point, which is valid, just arguing that it takes time to reverse years of FA signings and poor drafting.

To be fair we had to trade down to get them as we will have to again this year.

[SkinsJock]

It's also not so important how many draft picks you have - the most important thing is to select players that can be both suitable to what we want to do on the field and make the other players around them better.

Don't get me wrong - I loved the fact we had so many picks last year and it would be nice to have a few more players this year, but if we only draft 4 or 5 guys and they all become starters in a few years then we have started to take advantage of the draft again - I do not have faith in our FO that they will get lucky enough to do that

I understand that we had to make a trade for Taylor and the fact that it did not work out is not that big a deal to me - we just could not begin the season with our D line like it was - Taylor could have been a godsend for that line, he wasn't but they had to make a move and they had to give up something for Taylor.


It seems that we need a lot of draft picks because so many of them are not very good picks - we need a FO and talent evaluators that has people that know what is going on with our team and which players in the college system or other players in the NFL that are available to come here and can be good players on this team.

Many teams have great drafts because they have football people giving input - we do not.

[redskins14ru]

a rookie oline man is pretty risky and I think it is very obvious we my sign an olinman in fA who though

[DEHog]

I think the reason you want a full compliment of picks is so there is a margin for error...when you only have 4 it's makes it much harder.

[Gibbs4Life]

Not to be a defeat-est but no matter if its 4 picks or 14, without a strong system in place for developing these young guys it won't matter. Shouldn't there be someone responsible for making sure rookies come into training camp in shape? Like I don't know the head coach? Devin and Malcom basically insulted everyone by just showing up unable to pass a physical. While Fred overslept. What a disaster. I'm hoping this year will be different but its not feeling good.

The answer to the poll is we need all 3 plus 11 more

[tribeofjudah]

The selections suck....

[PMG12569]

I know Haynesworth has not been through a whole season, but its not like he has missed games like Springs.

The point is, he misses games exactly like Springs.

Since 2003 (when Haynesworth first became a full-time starter as a 2nd year player), Haynesworth has played in 74/96 games (77% of games).

In the same time frame, 2003 onwards, Springs has played in 76 of 96 games (79% of games).

Springs has actually played in MORE games. And Springs is a lot older. And it's not as if Haynesworth is going to improve on this as he ages, since he plays at a physically demanding position.

I'll take him 77% of the season over the crap we have on the D-Line now.

[ChocolateMilk]

I know Haynesworth has not been through a whole season, but its not like he has missed games like Springs.

The point is, he misses games exactly like Springs.

Since 2003 (when Haynesworth first became a full-time starter as a 2nd year player), Haynesworth has played in 74/96 games (77% of games).

In the same time frame, 2003 onwards, Springs has played in 76 of 96 games (79% of games).

Springs has actually played in MORE games. And Springs is a lot older. And it's not as if Haynesworth is going to improve on this as he ages, since he plays at a physically demanding position.

I'll take him 77% of the season over the crap we have on the D-Line now.

yeah but not for the price he's asking

[CanesSkins26]

I'm not saying that we need to sign Haynesworth. In fact, for the money that he is going to command it is probably a bad idea. However, I see a lot of people bashing the idea without offering an alternative suggestion. The bottom line is that with Taylor likely gone with are need three new starters on the dline if we want that unit to be anything other than the garbage that it is right now. In free agency there are no other impact tackles available and this draft is weak at that position, especially with McCoy deciding to go back to Oklahoma.

[VetSkinsFan]

I know Haynesworth has not been through a whole season, but its not like he has missed games like Springs.

The point is, he misses games exactly like Springs.

Since 2003 (when Haynesworth first became a full-time starter as a 2nd year player), Haynesworth has played in 74/96 games (77% of games).

In the same time frame, 2003 onwards, Springs has played in 76 of 96 games (79% of games).

Springs has actually played in MORE games. And Springs is a lot older. And it's not as if Haynesworth is going to improve on this as he ages, since he plays at a physically demanding position.

I'll take him 77% of the season over the crap we have on the D-Line now.

You don't pay a guy like that to come in and play part time for franchise money. When the dung hits the fan, he won't be there for you.

[PulpExposure]

For what it's worth, JLC's take on the offseason:

What Moves Will Offseason Bring?
One of the big questions around Redskins Park - especially after the recent layoffs - is how much will owner Daniel Snyder spend on free agents? Will the budget be tight, as it was last year?

Many people seem to think so. Other NFL people, who've run into Vinny Cerrato at meetings and events over the past few months, have said that fiscal responsibility and cost cutting have been his marching orders. And Cerrato always wants to talk about the draft these days and emphasize that, even with just four picks.

I have chatted with a few people close to the situation who said they would be very surprised if the Skins set the market again on big free agents. They have been burned in the past and, in this ecomomic climate especially, these people say they would be surprised if Snyder were to go out and make a huge splash.

While these guys expect four or five free-agent signings, they think the signings are likely to be "value" guys who have some starting experience - and some warts, too. A stopgap guard and tackle, a veteran defensive tackle are possibilities, but overall holes must be filled through the draft (where, if you swing and miss, the cost isn't nearly as steep) as part of a youth movement. After all, that's how most succesful teams operate.

The coaches will be getting a handle on what's in store. The Skins' personnel meetings are beginning this week and by early next month the plan will start to become clear. I tend to think they sign one pricey free agent (though not a Gross or Haynesworth - not that massive) and a few value guys (LB, DT, G), then try to draft a starting tackle and trade Carlos Rogers for a second-round pick to use on a defensive tackle or defensive end.

I don't think they will be setting spending records and I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players.

I'm sure after the next season he'll be saying that the Redskins should have signed both Gross and Haynesworth.

[Fios]

For what it's worth, JLC's take on the offseason:

What Moves Will Offseason Bring?
One of the big questions around Redskins Park - especially after the recent layoffs - is how much will owner Daniel Snyder spend on free agents? Will the budget be tight, as it was last year?

Many people seem to think so. Other NFL people, who've run into Vinny Cerrato at meetings and events over the past few months, have said that fiscal responsibility and cost cutting have been his marching orders. And Cerrato always wants to talk about the draft these days and emphasize that, even with just four picks.

I have chatted with a few people close to the situation who said they would be very surprised if the Skins set the market again on big free agents. They have been burned in the past and, in this ecomomic climate especially, these people say they would be surprised if Snyder were to go out and make a huge splash.

While these guys expect four or five free-agent signings, they think the signings are likely to be "value" guys who have some starting experience - and some warts, too. A stopgap guard and tackle, a veteran defensive tackle are possibilities, but overall holes must be filled through the draft (where, if you swing and miss, the cost isn't nearly as steep) as part of a youth movement. After all, that's how most succesful teams operate.

The coaches will be getting a handle on what's in store. The Skins' personnel meetings are beginning this week and by early next month the plan will start to become clear. I tend to think they sign one pricey free agent (though not a Gross or Haynesworth - not that massive) and a few value guys (LB, DT, G), then try to draft a starting tackle and trade Carlos Rogers for a second-round pick to use on a defensive tackle or defensive end.

I don't think they will be setting spending records and I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players.

I'm sure after the next season he'll be saying that the Redskins should have signed both Gross and Haynesworth.

The last sentence makes me want to punch him in the mouth

[DEHog]

For what it's worth, JLC's take on the offseason:

What Moves Will Offseason Bring?
One of the big questions around Redskins Park - especially after the recent layoffs - is how much will owner Daniel Snyder spend on free agents? Will the budget be tight, as it was last year?

Many people seem to think so. Other NFL people, who've run into Vinny Cerrato at meetings and events over the past few months, have said that fiscal responsibility and cost cutting have been his marching orders. And Cerrato always wants to talk about the draft these days and emphasize that, even with just four picks.

I have chatted with a few people close to the situation who said they would be very surprised if the Skins set the market again on big free agents. They have been burned in the past and, in this ecomomic climate especially, these people say they would be surprised if Snyder were to go out and make a huge splash.

While these guys expect four or five free-agent signings, they think the signings are likely to be "value" guys who have some starting experience - and some warts, too. A stopgap guard and tackle, a veteran defensive tackle are possibilities, but overall holes must be filled through the draft (where, if you swing and miss, the cost isn't nearly as steep) as part of a youth movement. After all, that's how most succesful teams operate.

The coaches will be getting a handle on what's in store. The Skins' personnel meetings are beginning this week and by early next month the plan will start to become clear. I tend to think they sign one pricey free agent (though not a Gross or Haynesworth - not that massive) and a few value guys (LB, DT, G), then try to draft a starting tackle and trade Carlos Rogers for a second-round pick to use on a defensive tackle or defensive end.

I don't think they will be setting spending records and I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players.

I'm sure after the next season he'll be saying that the Redskins should have signed both Gross and Haynesworth.

The last sentence makes me want to punch him in the mouth

Why?? I think there's alot of truth in that statement. Part of being a successful franchise is know when to part ways with your aging vets. I'd much rather get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late...one of our problems is we were the team on the other end of those deals...

[PulpExposure]

For what it's worth, JLC's take on the offseason:

What Moves Will Offseason Bring?
One of the big questions around Redskins Park - especially after the recent layoffs - is how much will owner Daniel Snyder spend on free agents? Will the budget be tight, as it was last year?

Many people seem to think so. Other NFL people, who've run into Vinny Cerrato at meetings and events over the past few months, have said that fiscal responsibility and cost cutting have been his marching orders. And Cerrato always wants to talk about the draft these days and emphasize that, even with just four picks.

I have chatted with a few people close to the situation who said they would be very surprised if the Skins set the market again on big free agents. They have been burned in the past and, in this ecomomic climate especially, these people say they would be surprised if Snyder were to go out and make a huge splash.

While these guys expect four or five free-agent signings, they think the signings are likely to be "value" guys who have some starting experience - and some warts, too. A stopgap guard and tackle, a veteran defensive tackle are possibilities, but overall holes must be filled through the draft (where, if you swing and miss, the cost isn't nearly as steep) as part of a youth movement. After all, that's how most succesful teams operate.

The coaches will be getting a handle on what's in store. The Skins' personnel meetings are beginning this week and by early next month the plan will start to become clear. I tend to think they sign one pricey free agent (though not a Gross or Haynesworth - not that massive) and a few value guys (LB, DT, G), then try to draft a starting tackle and trade Carlos Rogers for a second-round pick to use on a defensive tackle or defensive end.

I don't think they will be setting spending records and I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players.

I'm sure after the next season he'll be saying that the Redskins should have signed both Gross and Haynesworth.

The last sentence makes me want to punch him in the mouth

Why?? I think there's alot of truth in that statement. Part of being a successful franchise is know when to part ways with your aging vets. I'd much rather get rid of a guy a year too early than a year too late...one of our problems is we were the team on the other end of those deals...

Yeah...Fios wants to punch him for another reason. You may have missed this.

It's just another example of JLC being inconsistent.

[DEHog]

My bad...

[SkinsJock]

For what it's worth, JLC's take on the offseason:

What Moves Will Offseason Bring?
I don't think they will be setting spending records and I would think the Jason Taylor experience would have taught them not to deal multiple picks for older, marginal players.

I'm sure after the next season he'll be saying that the Redskins should have signed both Gross and Haynesworth.

The last sentence makes me want to punch him in the mouth

I rarely read this guy's trash but I will add that the last sentence makes me hope that Taylor will play here next year and show that he was both unfortunately not full strength and not used correctly AND I have no doubt that IF Taylor is here he will sign for less also

We had managed to get almost to the season with no bad moves and we were forced to look for someone because of an unfortunate injury - the guy was only 2 years away from being a MVP for crying out loud and had no bad history of injury.

JLC is scum and nothing that he predicts or forcasts has any credence.