Official QB switch? Thread

[CanesSkins26]

okay i dont know if any one has said this or looked at Campbell stats for the past 2 years but im going to any ways.

2008 16 games starts
315 comp 506 att 62.3% 3,245 yrds 6.4 YPA 13 TD 6 INT 84.3 rating

2007 13 Games started
250 comp 417 att 60.0% 2,700 yrds 6.5 YPA 12 TD 11 INT 77.6 Rating

Now that is a pretty good improvement i think.. take into consideration that his line really didnt help him at all torwards the end of the year as well. hes young, he will be great. i know that. but it does not matter 1 bit who we have at QB if we do not protect em. i mean look at the super bowl last year. They had Tom freakin Brady back there. The same guy who threw for 50 tds. But they didnt protect him, and he looked like crap and they lost. So dont blame JC. Blame the line.

Any way you look at it those stats are garbage. JC is simply not a good qb at this point. In his last 29 games he has thrown only 25 tds. There were six qbs that had that many or more this season alone. Here are some of the qbs that threw more tds than JC this year: Tyler Thigpen, Joe Flacco, Kyle Orton. Even Jamarcus Russell, who is terrible, equaled JC's td numbers. In total 20 qbs threw more tds than JC this season.

[Deadskins]

okay i dont know if any one has said this or looked at Campbell stats for the past 2 years but im going to any ways.

2008 16 games starts
315 comp 506 att 62.3% 3,245 yrds 6.4 YPA 13 TD 6 INT 84.3 rating

2007 13 Games started
250 comp 417 att 60.0% 2,700 yrds 6.5 YPA 12 TD 11 INT 77.6 Rating

Now that is a pretty good improvement i think.. take into consideration that his line really didnt help him at all torwards the end of the year as well. hes young, he will be great. i know that. but it does not matter 1 bit who we have at QB if we do not protect em. i mean look at the super bowl last year. They had Tom freakin Brady back there. The same guy who threw for 50 tds. But they didnt protect him, and he looked like crap and they lost. So dont blame JC. Blame the line.

I'm going to go after the glaring stat of those to ME. He went from 6.4 to 6.5 YPA? I'm not going to look it up, but for something to think about, check out any decent QB's YPA and let me know. I have a feeling they are higher that that. Campbell has been properly trained by Brunell and does well with the dinks and dunks, but that's about it. IMHO.

I'm through defending JC, but that stat is yards per ATTEMPT, not yards per catch, and his attempts rose by 89. His numbers have risen every season, but the first five games skewed his average this year.

[ChocolateMilk]

all of you guys are giving up on QB, the hardest position in football, after only 2 years. And this year he had to learn yet another brand new offensive system. you're saying hes garbage, you're saying he has no chance. i mean i can not believe that. I mean give this guy a chance for crying out loud. it takes time, you guys are expecting to get some one and BAM! just like that he's awesome. Not every QB starts out like a Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady, or Joe Montana. They take time, patience, and practice. Why give up on a QB, who definently has a lot of talent and skills, just cuz the last end of the season went bad. seriously tho, the beginning half of the season everyone was happy and were calling for an extension for this guy. and then the other teams defenses did their research and learned how to stop him. while we were still trying to install a brand new offense. i mean we went from a power running game with Gibbs to the West Coast. You cant expect a smooth transition, and if you do then you are demanding too much... all im saying is, give this guy some time. Get rid of ARE, force him to use ALL of his options, and open up the field and he'll be great. or you can just continue to complain about how awful he is cuz some QB on a 4-12 team threw more TDs than him. i mean seriously.

[SkinsJock]

We are at 56 pages and for a while there (this week) this thread was all about ARE and Thrash

Campbell is the starting QB - I'm pretty sure we will see whoever is here getting an opportunity to show what they can do as our QB next year and I would be surprised if Collins is a part of the mix.

I have nothing against Campbell and think that he's been helped by both his own efforts and having Zorn work with him. Unfortunately, he just does not seem to be comfortable - we constantly see QBs making their reads and getting the ball away in a much more timely manner - this guy just does not seem to have a sense of the speed of the game at this level.

I understand that maybe he could be helped by his line and better play calling but I think he's still just not going to be good enough to take and lead a team at QB. He will get another opportunity here but I have a feeling that Zorn is not going to continue working as hard with him IF he (Zorn) is not convinced that Campbell is ready to elevate his game more than we have seen this past year. A lot of progress was made and he was not surrounded by great wideouts or blessed with great play calling from Zorn but he did have one of the better RBs in the NFL and we just did not see much from him.

I wish him all the best - he is our QB - I just do not think that even though he will work very hard to be a better QB that he's going to make that next step. He just does not seem to want the responsibility that goes with being the QB of this team.

[Deadskins]

all of you guys are giving up on QB, the hardest position in football, after only 2 years. And this year he had to learn yet another brand new offensive system. you're saying hes garbage, you're saying he has no chance.

No, I don't think he's garbage, and I'll never give up on him. I'm just through defending him. Not after the Cincinnati game.

[CanesSkins26]

all of you guys are giving up on QB, the hardest position in football, after only 2 years. And this year he had to learn yet another brand new offensive system. you're saying hes garbage, you're saying he has no chance. i mean i can not believe that. I mean give this guy a chance for crying out loud. it takes time, you guys are expecting to get some one and BAM! just like that he's awesome. Not every QB starts out like a Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady, or Joe Montana. They take time, patience, and practice. Why give up on a QB, who definently has a lot of talent and skills, just cuz the last end of the season went bad. seriously tho, the beginning half of the season everyone was happy and were calling for an extension for this guy. and then the other teams defenses did their research and learned how to stop him. while we were still trying to install a brand new offense. i mean we went from a power running game with Gibbs to the West Coast. You cant expect a smooth transition, and if you do then you are demanding too much... all im saying is, give this guy some time. Get rid of ARE, force him to use ALL of his options, and open up the field and he'll be great. or you can just continue to complain about how awful he is cuz some QB on a 4-12 team threw more TDs than him. i mean seriously.

I used to make excuses and defend JC as well. Different systems, offensive line, play calling, etc. However, I'm done with that. He simply doesn't have what it takes to be a legit starter in the NFL. Everything around him needs to be perfect for him to do well and that's not how things work in the NFL. He isn't a play maker and doesn't really do anything to make the players around him better. He isn't productive and I'm sick of seeing all the stupid dump offs and passes short of the first down marker on 3rd down. It's time for a change at qb. Too bad we don't have anyone else on the roster that we can go to.

[Deadskins]

I think we should have started Colt the final two games.

[SoulDOut]

from the Miami Sub-Sentinel
The last interception was just a great read by Ravens safety Ed Reed, who said he noticed Pennington stares down his receivers during his film study. Reed had no business breaking on that ball, leaving the right side of the end zone without safety help. But the Ravens secondary blanketed the two options Pennington had over there....

// so i guess we're NOT the only team w/a QB who has this habit... :p man, wouldnt you just love/drool to have Ed Reed play on our Defense?

[KazooSkinsFan]

I think we should have started Colt the final two games.

Waste two games of JC's development in exchange for a lottery ticket that our late round draft pick is Tom Brady? I don't think so.

[Deadskins]

I think we should have started Colt the final two games.

Waste two games of JC's development in exchange for a lottery ticket that our late round draft pick is Tom Brady? I don't think so.

Well if Brady had never gotten the chance, he would still be sitting on the bench, and NE would still not have ever won a SB. After we were officially out of contention, yes Colt should have gotten some PT, even if Zorn didn't start him. The only reason I think he should not have started would have been the damage to JC's confidence. But, who knows, maybe JC needs some competition to get his competitive juices flowing, a la McNugget.

[Fios]

I think we should have started Colt the final two games.

Waste two games of JC's development in exchange for a lottery ticket that our late round draft pick is Tom Brady? I don't think so.

Well if Brady had never gotten the chance, he would still be sitting on the bench, and NE would still not have ever won a SB. After we were officially out of contention, yes Colt should have gotten some PT, even if Zorn didn't start him. The only reason I think he should not have started would have been the damage to JC's confidence. But, who knows, maybe JC needs some competition to get his competitive juices flowing, a la McNugget.

Starting Colt would have been, unequivocally, a terrible decision. Brady "got a chance" because of an injury, that's a different story entirely. Throwing Colt in there -- a guy who had faced nothing but a bunch of guys who are not on NFL rosters any longer -- just to see what happens would have been an unmitigated disaster.

[Deadskins]

Throwing Colt in there -- a guy who had faced nothing but a bunch of guys who are not on NFL rosters any longer -- just to see what happens would have been an unmitigated disaster.

How do you figure? Ryan in ATL, and Flacco in BAL weren't disasters. If he can't play at this level, then he should have never been drafted. He might have provided a spark, or he might have fizzled. Either way, it couldn't have done any harm to our season, and we could have gotten some idea of just how good (or not) he is.

[Redskin in Canada]

Throwing Colt in there -- a guy who had faced nothing but a bunch of guys who are not on NFL rosters any longer -- just to see what happens would have been an unmitigated disaster.

How do you figure? Ryan in ATL, and Flacco in BAL weren't disasters. If he can't play at this level, then he should have never been drafted. He might have provided a spark, or he might have fizzled. Either way, it couldn't have done any harm to our season, and we could have gotten some idea of just how good (or not) he is.

Ryan and Flacco have good and healthy OLs. We just have one. Good applied only early in the season when their tired old bodies were healthy.

[PulpExposure]

Throwing Colt in there -- a guy who had faced nothing but a bunch of guys who are not on NFL rosters any longer -- just to see what happens would have been an unmitigated disaster.

How do you figure? Ryan in ATL, and Flacco in BAL weren't disasters. If he can't play at this level, then he should have never been drafted. He might have provided a spark, or he might have fizzled. Either way, it couldn't have done any harm to our season, and we could have gotten some idea of just how good (or not) he is.

You can't honestly compare QBs drafted in the first round (very high in the case of Ryan) to a developmental prospect drafted in the 6th round. If Colt was judged ready to play this year by any team in the NFL, he wouldn't have been drafted so late.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Ryan and Flacco have good and healthy OLs. We just have one. Good applied only early in the season when their tired old bodies were healthy.

I'm not sure about Ryan but the Ravens have a spotty oline at times that has solidified a bit over the course of the season... Granted, they have been rebuilding it...so...yeah....can of worms....

[PulpExposure]

Ryan and Flacco have good and healthy OLs. We just have one. Good applied only early in the season when their tired old bodies were healthy.

I'm not sure about Ryan but the Ravens have a spotty oline at times that has solidified a bit over the course of the season... Granted, they have been rebuilding it...so...yeah....can of worms....

Less of a can of worms, more of

[SoulDOut]

PS. if you read the other thread, it was revealed after the season that Colt had a minor knee injury. so it may have been better that it wasnt aggravated at the end of the year...

[KazooSkinsFan]

Throwing Colt in there -- a guy who had faced nothing but a bunch of guys who are not on NFL rosters any longer -- just to see what happens would have been an unmitigated disaster.

How do you figure? Ryan in ATL, and Flacco in BAL weren't disasters. If he can't play at this level, then he should have never been drafted. He might have provided a spark, or he might have fizzled. Either way, it couldn't have done any harm to our season, and we could have gotten some idea of just how good (or not) he is.

It wasn't worth either cent. Tom Brady was a sixth rounder and a couple guys drafted #3 and #18 overall means we should ignore developing our quarterback and blow two games on a lottery ticket. Got it.

[VRIEL1]

I asked a question once about why Atlanta and Baltimore had success with Rookie QB's and scoring more points then us . My question was more to the point of did they have to change Offensive scheme's? We were all in the same kinda boat in the other catagories. New coach, partially new staff, QB's learning a new offense.

I was informed that Baltimore kept a similar scheme as last year and brought in a OC that new the system the coach was trying to teach the offense. They were not sure about Atlanta but thought they were in the same boat as Baltimore as well as Miami. New HC, with a proven OC to teach the offense.

Basically Zorn was handed a team and only half of his coach's know the WCO. His OC has not coached anyone at the pro level and having said that was also trying to learn Zorn's high flying passing offense. Aparently it was not exactly like the most WCO's. Throw in the fact the Gibbs era coach's do not know the WCO and had to learn it as well as coach it. Then all the injuries in the O-line, the fact that Jansen is a great run blocker but sucked at pass blocking and Heyer being a great pass blocker but sucked at run blocking. To decide to switch them out during the season would have telegraphed our intentiions of either passing or running.

Then as I truly believe ....JC has trouble reading what the D is giving him or not reading it fast enough. Perhaps that was part of his learning a whole new offense but I would like to think during Gibbs era JC was taught when he came to the line who to look at in the D to see what they were giving him and where he should go with the ball.

[VetSkinsFan]

PS. if you read the other thread, it was revealed after the season that Colt had a minor knee injury. so it may have been better that it wasnt aggravated at the end of the year...

What other thread?

[Deadskins]

Throwing Colt in there -- a guy who had faced nothing but a bunch of guys who are not on NFL rosters any longer -- just to see what happens would have been an unmitigated disaster.

How do you figure? Ryan in ATL, and Flacco in BAL weren't disasters. If he can't play at this level, then he should have never been drafted. He might have provided a spark, or he might have fizzled. Either way, it couldn't have done any harm to our season, and we could have gotten some idea of just how good (or not) he is.

It wasn't worth either cent. Tom Brady was a sixth rounder and a couple guys drafted #3 and #18 overall means we should ignore developing our quarterback and blow two games on a lottery ticket. Got it.

Yeah, our QB is developing so nicely that these two games, that make no difference, are going to catapult him instantly to a pro-bowl level after three seasons. It's a good thing he got those two games under his belt, though, his production in them blew me away. And after all, we all know that every 1st rounder is destined to be great, while every late rounder never works out. But hey let's keep that "lottery ticket" we already purchased in our wallets and never scratch it off to see if we have won. I see your point.

[Deadskins]

PS. if you read the other thread, it was revealed after the season that Colt had a minor knee injury. so it may have been better that it wasnt aggravated at the end of the year...

What other thread?

I think it's the "What if Colt..." thread.

But when I made my original post, I didn't know about his injury. That is a valid reason, IMO, why Colt got no PT in the final two games. The JC needs those two games to develop theory is not.

[ChocolateMilk]

PS. if you read the other thread, it was revealed after the season that Colt had a minor knee injury. so it may have been better that it wasnt aggravated at the end of the year...

What other thread?

I think it's the "What if Colt..." thread.

But when I made my original post, I didn't know about his injury. That is a valid reason, IMO, why Colt got no PT in the final two games. The JC needs those two games to develop theory is not.

The fact that JC needed those games needed to develop and the fact that HES THE STARTING QB are the only reasons he played the last 2 games.. if they had played Colt the last 2 games would be completely retarded and wouldnt make a drop of sense

[Deadskins]

PS. if you read the other thread, it was revealed after the season that Colt had a minor knee injury. so it may have been better that it wasnt aggravated at the end of the year...

What other thread?

I think it's the "What if Colt..." thread.

But when I made my original post, I didn't know about his injury. That is a valid reason, IMO, why Colt got no PT in the final two games. The JC needs those two games to develop theory is not.

The fact that JC needed those games needed to develop and the fact that HES THE STARTING QB are the only reasons he played the last 2 games.. if they had played Colt the last 2 games would be completely retarded and wouldnt make a drop of sense

You're right, of course. Beating Philly by making a goal line save on defense, and losing to the 49ers in two games that meant nothing to our season, trumps getting some of our rookies some actual PT in a real NFL game any day.

[ChocolateMilk]

PS. if you read the other thread, it was revealed after the season that Colt had a minor knee injury. so it may have been better that it wasnt aggravated at the end of the year...

What other thread?

I think it's the "What if Colt..." thread.

But when I made my original post, I didn't know about his injury. That is a valid reason, IMO, why Colt got no PT in the final two games. The JC needs those two games to develop theory is not.

The fact that JC needed those games needed to develop and the fact that HES THE STARTING QB are the only reasons he played the last 2 games.. if they had played Colt the last 2 games would be completely retarded and wouldnt make a drop of sense

You're right, of course. Beating Philly by making a goal line save on defense, and losing to the 49ers in two games that meant nothing to our season, trumps getting some of our rookies some actual PT in a real NFL game any day.

it meant getting playing time for our starting QB who is trying to learn yet another offense. I was all for playing our rookies those last 2 games. But not at QB. Campbell was our QB last year and will be next year. And he needs time on the field to get the system under his belt. And to bench him the last 2 games to throw a rookie out there makes no sense. Thats why we have the preseason.