Skins on right track

[HanburgerHelper]

Despite the negativity, I think the Skins are on the right track and I believe we're the only team in the NFC East who isn't on the decline. Cerrato is no genius but if last year was truly his first year at the helm of personnel decisions, I liked what he did in the draft with the exception of the Fred Davis pick (I was leaning Chad Henne). You can't evaluate this class yet. Getting Jason Taylor and Deangelo Hall weren't bad moves. Taylor was disappointing but not Cerrato's fault. Daniels was not supposed to get hurt.

Zorn is a motivator and if he gets the right pupil, he's a hell of a QB tutor. Greg Blache is doing fine. Remember, this team pretty much needs an overhaul from years of poor personnel decisions from Snyder and dare I say it, Joe Gibbs. Evaluating talent was never his strong suit. Remember Desmond Howard? We traded two first round picks to move up to #4 to get him. Gibbs was in love with Howard. He also loved Brunell.

What do we do this year in the draft? Same thing. Trade down our first pick and go for value. Try to fill some needs in free agency and if we can deal Rogers for some picks, it's a good time to do it (before he gets injured again). For me, dropping that pick-six INT against the Seahawks a few years ago was unforgivable. This guy may cover well but he has no hands.

[kingfish51]

On the right track? lol, okay. You like Cerrato's draft picks? We needed help on both O&D lines for the last 2 years, everybody knew it yet Vinny's first 3 picks are 2 WR's and a TE. We already have a pro-bowl TE named ey. He grabs one O-lineman, who doesn't play but 1 meaningless game this year and drafts a damn punter in the 6th round, who gets cut after the 3rd game. Remember, Vinny did say that he doesn't believe in drafting for need .
Spending 2 draft picks to get Taylor was stupid and another future pick for James, who by the way, doesn't play for the Skins anymore was yet another idiotic move by Vinny.
Now if you still think that the Redskins are on the right track with a QB, who in his 4th year still can't master the basics of Quarterbacking, an aging O-line, no kicking game, no D-line to speak of, no true #1 receiver and then to top it off, Clinton Portis who again is airing his dirty laundry and his disdain for Coach Zorn over the air waves, then pass that joint you're smoking over here. I want to visit the Fantasy Land that you're in.

[cleg]

Despite the negativity, I think the Skins are on the right track and I believe we're the only team in the NFC East who isn't on the decline. Cerrato is no genius but if last year was truly his first year at the helm of personnel decisions, I liked what he did in the draft with the exception of the Fred Davis pick (I was leaning Chad Henne). You can't evaluate this class yet. Getting Jason Taylor and Deangelo Hall weren't bad moves. Taylor was disappointing but not Cerrato's fault. Daniels was not supposed to get hurt.

Zorn is a motivator and if he gets the right pupil, he's a hell of a QB tutor. Greg Blache is doing fine. Remember, this team pretty much needs an overhaul from years of poor personnel decisions from Snyder and dare I say it, Joe Gibbs. Evaluating talent was never his strong suit. Remember Desmond Howard? We traded two first round picks to move up to #4 to get him. Gibbs was in love with Howard. He also loved Brunell.

What do we do this year in the draft? Same thing. Trade down our first pick and go for value. Try to fill some needs in free agency and if we can deal Rogers for some picks, it's a good time to do it (before he gets injured again). For me, dropping that pick-six INT against the Seahawks a few years ago was unforgivable. This guy may cover well but he has no hands.

Um, wow.

[VetSkinsFan]

If there's nothing you enjoy about the team, why do you follow them? Is it b/c misery loves company? That's about all I see.

[Redskin in Canada]

Right or wrong track depend on the progress made at QB, OL and DL positions.

I am not sold on a blindly negative or positive position. Nothing has been done yet. The Jury -WILL- still consider the evidence TO BE PRESENTED in the next few months.

[CanesSkins26]

I think the Skins are on the right track and I believe we're the only team in the NFC East who isn't on the decline.

The Giants are the defending Super Bowl and are the top seed in the NFC. The Eagles are in the second round of the playoffs. We made the playoffs last year but didn't get in this year? How exactly are those teams on the decline?

[Deadskins]

At the end of training camp, I don't remember anyone complaining about our draft, or the fact that we had picked up Jason Taylor. There was some grumbling about the price, but no one could argue about what he brought to the table. Hindsight is 20/20. When we won at Dallas and Philly, we were all riding high. I know I thought we were the best team in the NFL at that point. I was sure that if we played the G-strings again, at that time, we would have come away with a victory. Campbell looked like a different QB.

Then the wheels came off with one freak play against the Rams, and suddenly all the naysayers came out of the woodwork. The armchair GMs knew it all along. They would have done things differently, and the Skins would be poised to win their fourth SuperBowl right now if we had only done what they now knew was the right course of action. Stuff happens! Deal with it. If there was someone who knew every right move to make, their team would win the SB every year. Here's a news flash: Only one team wins the SB each year, and no team has ever won it more than twice in a row.

Do I wish we were still playing? Damn straight! But I'm not going to second guess every move the franchise makes if we don't win every game. Don't you think they want to win every bit as much as you want them to? People make mistakes, and you have to take the good with the bad, and hope for the best. Unless you are part of the organization, there really isn't much you can do about it. So stop all the whining, and just enjoy the good moments they give you, however fleeting they may be.

[BadgerKing]

At the end of training camp, I don't remember anyone complaining about our draft, or the fact that we had picked up Jason Taylor. There was some grumbling about the price, but no one could argue about what he brought to the table. Hindsight is 20/20. When we won at Dallas and Philly, we were all riding high. I know I thought we were the best team in the NFL at that point. I was sure that if we played the G-strings again, at that time, we would have come away with a victory. Campbell looked like a different QB.

Then the wheels came off with one freak play against the Rams, and suddenly all the naysayers came out of the woodwork. The armchair GMs knew it all along. They would have done things differently, and the Skins would be poised to win their fourth SuperBowl right now if we had only done what they now knew was the right course of action. Stuff happens! Deal with it. If there was someone who knew every right move to make, their team would win the SB every year. Here's a news flash: Only one team wins the SB each year, and no team has ever won it more than twice in a row.

Do I wish we were still playing? Damn straight! But I'm not going to second guess every move the franchise makes if we don't win every game. Don't you think they want to win every bit as much as you want them to? People make mistakes, and you have to take the good with the bad, and hope for the best. Unless you are part of the organization, there really isn't much you can do about it. So stop all the whining, and just enjoy the good moments they give you, however fleeting they may be.

Bang on, utterly correct and like you read my mind.

[Hoss]

At the end of training camp, I don't remember anyone complaining about our draft, or the fact that we had picked up Jason Taylor. There was some grumbling about the price, but no one could argue about what he brought to the table. Hindsight is 20/20. When we won at Dallas and Philly, we were all riding high. I know I thought we were the best team in the NFL at that point. I was sure that if we played the G-strings again, at that time, we would have come away with a victory. Campbell looked like a different QB.

Then the wheels came off with one freak play against the Rams, and suddenly all the naysayers came out of the woodwork. The armchair GMs knew it all along. They would have done things differently, and the Skins would be poised to win their fourth SuperBowl right now if we had only done what they now knew was the right course of action. Stuff happens! Deal with it. If there was someone who knew every right move to make, their team would win the SB every year. Here's a news flash: Only one team wins the SB each year, and no team has ever won it more than twice in a row.

Do I wish we were still playing? Damn straight! But I'm not going to second guess every move the franchise makes if we don't win every game. Don't you think they want to win every bit as much as you want them to? People make mistakes, and you have to take the good with the bad, and hope for the best. Unless you are part of the organization, there really isn't much you can do about it. So stop all the whining, and just enjoy the good moments they give you, however fleeting they may be.

as i have said before.....

get in,


sit down,




shut up........




and hold on!

[crazyhorse1]

Despite the negativity, I think the Skins are on the right track and I believe we're the only team in the NFC East who isn't on the decline. Cerrato is no genius but if last year was truly his first year at the helm of personnel decisions, I liked what he did in the draft with the exception of the Fred Davis pick (I was leaning Chad Henne). You can't evaluate this class yet. Getting Jason Taylor and Deangelo Hall weren't bad moves. Taylor was disappointing but not Cerrato's fault. Daniels was not supposed to get hurt.

Zorn is a motivator and if he gets the right pupil, he's a hell of a QB tutor. Greg Blache is doing fine. Remember, this team pretty much needs an overhaul from years of poor personnel decisions from Snyder and dare I say it, Joe Gibbs. Evaluating talent was never his strong suit. Remember Desmond Howard? We traded two first round picks to move up to #4 to get him. Gibbs was in love with Howard. He also loved Brunell.

What do we do this year in the draft? Same thing. Trade down our first pick and go for value. Try to fill some needs in free agency and if we can deal Rogers for some picks, it's a good time to do it (before he gets injured again). For me, dropping that pick-six INT against the Seahawks a few years ago was unforgivable. This guy may cover well but he has no hands.

Um, wow.

Trading our first round pick for later picks when we need a stud O lineman for the ages worse than we need to get rid of Vinny would be such a colossal mistake that former hogs of another era might rise from the graves to smite the FO. Apparently, the past teaches some people nothing.

[El Mexican]

The title of this thread made me laugh.

Then I read the first post and thought "this is the only reason Vinny and Snyder are the FO of this team. Some of the fans simply have too much faith in them".

Right now we are on the right track to futility. Our offense had a historically bad season in points scored, we have no D-line or O-line that can last 16 games, one good LB, a brewing problem at CB, an erratic QB who has yet to prove himself in his 5th year in the league, just four draft picks, a very mixed 2008 draft class, and no real GM to speak of.

It seems this team overachieved big time this season.

[Countertrey]

Then I read the first post and thought "this is the only reason Vinny and Snyder are the FO of this team. Some of the fans simply have too much faith in them".

No kidding???? We get to decide who owns the team??? WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US SOONER?????

[El Mexican]

Then I read the first post and thought "this is the only reason Vinny and Snyder are the FO of this team. Some of the fans simply have too much faith in them".

No kidding???? We get to decide who owns the team??? WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US SOONER?????

No we don't.

But fans can be critical when things are clearly not going well and maybe take off those burgundy and gold glasses.

You can also emit your opinion with your wallet. I'm sure Vinny and Co. will listen to that.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Despite the negativity, I think the Skins are on the right track and I believe we're the only team in the NFC East who isn't on the decline.

I have no idea what the rest of your post looks like because I couldn't get past this 1st sentence.

Do you really believe this? OMG

[Countertrey]

Then I read the first post and thought "this is the only reason Vinny and Snyder are the FO of this team. Some of the fans simply have too much faith in them".

No kidding???? We get to decide who owns the team??? WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US SOONER?????

No we don't.

But fans can be critical when things are clearly not going well and maybe take off those burgundy and gold glasses.

You can also emit your opinion with your wallet. I'm sure Vinny and Co. will listen to that.

People have been complaining about the Danny's episodes of idiocy since he bought the team (this board is covered with utterances of "I'm not putting my money in his pocket any more)... yet all that happens is his profits go up and up... somebody's buying his stuff... probably including you. Talk is cheap.

[El Mexican]

Then I read the first post and thought "this is the only reason Vinny and Snyder are the FO of this team. Some of the fans simply have too much faith in them".

No kidding???? We get to decide who owns the team??? WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US SOONER?????

No we don't.

But fans can be critical when things are clearly not going well and maybe take off those burgundy and gold glasses.

You can also emit your opinion with your wallet. I'm sure Vinny and Co. will listen to that.

People have been complaining about the Danny's episodes of idiocy since he bought the team (this board is covered with utterances of "I'm not putting my money in his pocket any more)... yet all that happens is his profits go up and up... somebody's buying his stuff... probably including you. Talk is cheap.

Not really. I just listen and watch the games, and read news/history about the team.

That is how I know this team is NOT on the right track.

But please, if you do think the team is making progress, expound on the subject.

[Bob 0119]

Why bother elaborating on the subject? You've already made up your mind. Stats and facts will be ignored as "trivial" or "misleading" simply because they are contrary to the "philisophical truth" that most negative posters have already chosen to believe.

I know you may believe that statments like "Danny sux" or "we have the worst FO in the league" may be indisputable truths based on facts, but they aren't. They are opinion. They are more specifically your opinion and no amount of statistical elaboration will change that.

The only thing that I, and many other posters who don't bash the team at every turn, can't really wrap our minds around is why you put yourself through this. More specifically why do you put the rest of us through this with you?

If we don't automatically agree that "yes, Danny does suck" or "yes, our FO is the worst in the league" then it is assumed that we are saying "Danny is the greatest owner of all time and none can compare" or "no one can touch our FO when it comes to their drafting prowess and FA market skills"

Of course, we never say any of that, we simply point out the overstatement, and give facts to support. We give examples of ownership and management that are worse (yes, a team did go 0-16 this year that wasn't named the Redskins), that doesn't mean that we automatically assume that ours is the best. We just hope for the best from who we have. That's all we (as fans) can do.

If you feel there is no hope, then why stick around?

Does it make you feel better? Does it feel good to proudly get on a message board for a team you supposedly love and talk nothing but trash about them?

Wouldn't you be better served by being a "front-running fan" and just root for whomever happens to be winning?

[El Mexican]

Don't question my loyalty to this team, dude. I've been a fan for 30 years. Being a serious fan also means demanding the best of the organization and over the past 10 years we have seen more mediocre than competent performance.

The original poster of this theread said we are on the right track. I disagreed with him and stated why. I cited the lack of points scored on offense, problems on both lines, aging LBs, QB situation, the few picks we have in the upcomming draft, no real GM and a bunch of rookies that contributed very little the past season (except Horton).

The team has my support, not my sense of reality.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Don't question my loyalty to this team, dude. I've been a fan for 30 years. Being a serious fan also means demanding the best of the organization and over the past 10 years we have seen more mediocre than competent performance.

The original poster of this theread said we are on the right track. I disagreed with him and stated why. I cited the lack of points scored on offense, problems on both lines, aging LBs, QB situation, the few picks we have in the upcomming draft, no real GM and a bunch of rookies that contributed very little the past season (except Horton).

The team has my support, not my sense of reality.

OK, but if you sign onto a Skins fan site and trash them then it's pretty pointless to respond by writing sobby, whiny posts when your view is criticized, don't you think? Just say the Skins suck, you hate them and leave it at that. Don't rationalize it's OK to say that if you're a fan and have been for a long time.

[Bob 0119]

Okay, here's an example.

I'd like to see Taylor stick around, but it's a heckuva risk. We already paid him $8 million with little return on the investment. He's a huge cap hit next year, so I wouldn't be too disappointed if we could get some picks for him.

I don't think we'll necessarily get a first rounder or anything, but someone may be willing to cough up something for him as they will recognize that he was not his usual self this year, largely due to injury. Someone might be willing to take the risk on him.

We should get Daniels back next year so DE is not necessarily in awful shape. Maybe if we could get some good DT's though.

I'm not at all opposed to an open QB competition, and am encouraged by the fact that Zorn hasn't come out and named Jason the indisputable starter for next year (al-la Joe Gibbs with Ramsey and Brunell). I actually agree that Jason is missing that intangible "playmaking ability" that you just can't teach.

I think he's a capable QB, just not a playmaker.

I'd prefer to see the O-line addressed before the D-line. I think Thomas and Jansen are only going to get more injury prone, but I also worry about how much longer Kendall can keep doing this with his bad knees.

I agree that the LB position does need at least one more starter.

I think Springs should be cut or traded (traded would be preferable, but I doubt we'll get much for him) and Hall and Rogers should be the starting corners for next year. If we can't trade Springs (or cut him for whatever reason), then I agree he should be moved to Safety and we should leave that position alone. Springs, Landry, Moore and Horton should be plenty.

I think Suisham needs to be replaced, but I think Plackemeier was looking a lot better towards the end of the season, and would keep him around.

I'd certainly like to see ARE removed from punt returns and replaced by Moss, which would be possible if Thomas and Kelly can be ready to be starters this year.

I'd trade away Betts, and try and get a younger RB to back up and share responsibilities with Portis. I'd keep Cartwright because he is invaluable to the kick return as he almost always gets us to the 30 or better.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

This is constructive. You can disagree with this in any number of ways. You can say what you would do differently. You could add to it, or take away from it. The possibilities are endless. You may even agree with it.

No compare here's what I could've said

Jason Taylor sucks and Snyder is an idiot for getting him.

We should cut him immediately.

We should replace our entire defensive line because there is no pass rush.

Campbell sucks and we aren't going to win anything with him at QB.

We should've replaced our entire offensive line last year, but our FO was too stupid to see that Jansen and Thomas are getting old and that they would get injured again this year.

Our linebackers suck.

We're also screwed at corner because Rogers sucks and Springs is always injured.

Don't even get me starte4d on the kickers because they both suck.

I don't know why our stupid front office wasted picks on recievers that suck when we already had recievers that suck.

and if we don't replace Portis now we are only going to suck worse next year.

Can you see the difference here? Nothing really constructive. All of it simply critical. Most of it exaggerated and some of it contradictory.

I have besically called for the replacement of 23 players which would be impossible to do in one off-season.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Nice post Bob, it nails the point.

[leesburgskinsfan]

It's been a while since I've been here, and I don't post often but as a first time season ticket holder and a fan for 30+ years, I've seen a lot with this team. First off, IMHO, the team IS heading in the right direction. Yes, we need OL and D-line help and fast, but we have a new coach who will learn from his mistakes. Who thought at 6-2 we would miss the playoffs! Oh well! I'm mostly over it now and looking forward. Vinny is trying to reach out to the fans with his Red Zone show on ESPN 980 during the season. He is talking to Mel Kiper and other experts about young talent and I hope that brings some in soon. The Danny, who signs the checks, has takien more of a back seat even though we all know he has the final say. With Coach Gibbs out of the picture now, this is Vinny's next shot at FA and the draft. Did he make some mistakes last year? I say "yes" and "no". I still scratch my head with the Fred Davis pick but Vinny could get the last laugh if something were to happen to ey. The two TE set could be awesome next year! The jury is still out about our two tall receivers. If we don't see upside there next season, then we should draw some fire. Until then, I'm keeping my powder dry. As for the defense, I love Greg Blache. His sayings to the press are priceless. I chuckle every time he gets air time. I'm glad he stuck around. Old school is a good thing in his case IMO. We need help at DE, DT and depth at corner, again in my view, but I think we'll get that help. I'd love to see a healthy Phillip Daniels and Jason Taylor at maybe some strong side linebacker if he returns. I love Marcus but I think his days are numbered. Carlos, again a good locker room guy may, get us some picks in the draft. I hope D. Hall keeps his head together and signs with us.

Ok, so I rambled enough! I'm passionate about our team and I do think with some bumps in the road ahead, we are heading in the right direction.

Hail!

[Countertrey]

Okay, here's an example.

I'd like to see Taylor stick around,<SNIP>

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

This is constructive. You can disagree with this in any number of ways. You can say what you would do differently. You could add to it, or take away from it. The possibilities are endless. You may even agree with it.

No compare here's what I could've said

Jason Taylor sucks and Snyder is an idiot for getting him.

<SNIP>

Can you see the difference here? Nothing really constructive. All of it simply critical. Most of it exaggerated and some of it contradictory.

I have besically called for the replacement of 23 players which would be impossible to do in one off-season.

You are so much more elouquent than I. Well said.

[(d)oink]

At the end of training camp, I don't remember anyone complaining about our draft, or the fact that we had picked up Jason Taylor. There was some grumbling about the price, but no one could argue about what he brought to the table. Hindsight is 20/20. When we won at Dallas and Philly, we were all riding high. I know I thought we were the best team in the NFL at that point. I was sure that if we played the G-strings again, at that time, we would have come away with a victory. Campbell looked like a different QB.

Then the wheels came off with one freak play against the Rams, and suddenly all the naysayers came out of the woodwork. The armchair GMs knew it all along. They would have done things differently, and the Skins would be poised to win their fourth SuperBowl right now if we had only done what they now knew was the right course of action. Stuff happens! Deal with it. If there was someone who knew every right move to make, their team would win the SB every year. Here's a news flash: Only one team wins the SB each year, and no team has ever won it more than twice in a row.

Do I wish we were still playing? Damn straight! But I'm not going to second guess every move the franchise makes if we don't win every game. Don't you think they want to win every bit as much as you want them to? People make mistakes, and you have to take the good with the bad, and hope for the best. Unless you are part of the organization, there really isn't much you can do about it. So stop all the whining, and just enjoy the good moments they give you, however fleeting they may be.

[(d)oink]

Then I read the first post and thought "this is the only reason Vinny and Snyder are the FO of this team. Some of the fans simply have too much faith in them".

No kidding???? We get to decide who owns the team??? WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US SOONER?????

No we don't.

But fans can be critical when things are clearly not going well and maybe take off those burgundy and gold glasses.

You can also emit your opinion with your wallet. I'm sure Vinny and Co. will listen to that.

Right on! I'm going to start emitting my opinion with my wallet starting today. I'm pretty sure by the end of the week Mr. Snyder and Mr Cerrato will be on a plane out here to meet face to face and discuss the spending freeze; then, pending a resolution, the Organization will struggle to remain afloat for a few years, but has a decent chance for at least partial recovery. I'm sorry. As a fan, it was my only course of action. I hope for them, it is a hard lesson learned.