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AP wrote:ASHBURN, Va. (AP) — A good way to get a Washington Redskins player to clam up is to ask about Vinny Cerrato.

Fullback Mike Sellers put his hands up and kept walking. Tackle Chris Samuels, who has been with the team for nine seasons, politely shook his hand and said he didn't have much to say. Several other veterans had similar reactions when asked about the person atop the Redskins' front office.

And this was in late October — when the Redskins were 6-2 and compliments for anyone and everyone were a dime a dozen on a team seemingly assured of a playoff berth.

There were some veterans who did have plenty to say about the team's executive vice president of football operations, but they would not do so publicly because it's never a good idea to criticize the boss on the record. Former Redskins, however, can speak more freely.

"When his name comes up, usually it's not followed by compliments," said Brendan Noble, a retired defensive lineman who played in Washington from 2003-05. "In talking to players who have been around the league and just in general — fans — it's not just the players. People don't have a good image of him."

Cerrato gave his end-of-season news conference Wednesday, three days after the Redskins completed an 8-8 season under first-year coach Jim Zorn. There were no big announcements — there are weeks of evaluation to do before deciding on a course for free agency, the draft and roster cuts — but he readily accepted his share of responsibility for the non-playoff season: "I can't stand here and say we did enough."

Afterward, the man everyone loves to pick on — on blogs, talk shows and even on homemade signs in the stands at the Redskins stadium — retreated to the more relaxed setting of his office and was asked the question: Why are your approval ratings so low?

"I don't know why I don't have good press," Cerrato said. "You know, what bothers me more is wins and losses. That kind of controls all. I don't go ask people, 'Do you like what I'm doing or not like what I'm doing?' I just try to do the right thing. Have I made mistakes? Absolutely, I've made mistakes. I always try and learn from every mistake made so I don't make it again."

Critics say that Cerrato is simply a yes-man for owner Dan Snyder, who made Cerrato one of his first hires after purchasing the team in 1999. They point to the fact that Cerrato didn't get work with any of the other 31 teams after he was fired by coach Marty Schottenheimer in 2001, and that Snyder brought him back after firing Schottenheimer a year later. They cite many dubious player moves over the decade, although many of those bore the direct fingerprints of Snyder or of Joe Gibbs — the coach and team president from 2004-07 — more so than Cerrato.

Gibbs is now gone, so this was the first year that Cerrato was been put in charge of the whole store, so to speak, with a new title and greater profile.

So how did he do?

Cerrato opted not to be active in free agency and had mixed results with his 10 draft picks. Second-rounders Devin Thomas, Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly had very disappointing rookie seasons, although it's always dangerous to evaluate a draft class after one year.

Trades for Jason Taylor and Erasmus James failed to pay expected dividends, while sixth-round pick Chris Horton (10 starts at safety) and midseason waiver pickup DeAngelo Hall (two interceptions in seven games) were the best moves of 2008. Cerrato took a major blow to his credibility in July when he denied having trade talks with Miami for Taylor — when in fact the two sides were in the final stages of closing the deal.

Other comments are just plain head-scratchers. On Wednesday, for example, he went out of his way to emphasize the need to examine why the Redskins went only 4-4 at home. Most observers would say the answer is obvious: Field a better team, and it'll win more games no matter where they are played.

The year ends with serious concerns about aging offensive and defensive lines that need to be rebuilt, as well as crucial decisions to be made at linebacker and cornerback. Cerrato has some tough choices to make, especially concerning which veterans to jettison. He'll have a better idea where he's headed after the full, every-player-will-be-scrutinized meeting among coaches, scouts, trainers and front office personnel on Jan. 15.

"Eight-and-8 is not where you want to be," Cerrato said. "What do you have to do to improve? How do we get better?"

The fancy title doesn't mean Cerrato has full autonomy. All of the big decisions must pass muster with Snyder, who as owner retains the ultimate say-so.

"We take to him everything that involves money because it's his money, absolutely," Cerrato said. "And when we're drafting, and you're picking high, he wants to see who he's going to pay, so to me that's totally fine. But he lets everybody do their job. And he likes the recruiting part, too, which is a big plus for us because the buck stops with the owner."

As far as Cerrato's popularity, popular wisdom says that the winning solves everything. If the Redskins go 12-4 next season and venture deep into the playoffs, he'll be among the beloved in Washington, right?

Well, maybe not. According to Cerrato, his experiences in San Francisco 49ers front office in the 1990s and as a recruiting coordinator at Notre Dame in the 1980s suggest otherwise.

"People didn't like me when I was at Notre Dame, either, and that was all the people you played against," Cerrato said. "When I was in San Francisco, they didn't like me because I was too young being the personnel director of a Super Bowl team. It's been my whole career."


Hey Vinny .. you again mis-speak the truth. You were NOT NOT NOT the personnel director of a Super Bowl team. You were promoted to that job AFTER the 49ers won their last ring ... and you were the trigger to their fall-off.

But this speaks even more volumes to what the majority of the football world already knows.
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"Eight-and-8 is not where you want to be," Cerrato said. "What do you have to do to improve? How do we get better?"


I bet he doesn't even know the answer to that question.

And it doesn't shock me that the players don't like him. For every dumb move he makes they have to just sit there and wonder what he is doing to there team.
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The fancy title doesn't mean Cerrato has full autonomy. All of the big decisions must pass muster with Snyder, who as owner retains the ultimate say-so.

"We take to him everything that involves money because it's his money, absolutely," Cerrato said. "And when we're drafting, and you're picking high, he wants to see who he's going to pay, so to me that's totally fine. But he lets everybody do their job. And he likes the recruiting part, too, which is a big plus for us because the buck stops with the owner."


He makes my points for me.

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What he means by Danny's recruiting being a "big plus" is that Snyder loves gassing up Redskins One and meeting with players to try and get them to come aboard.

The coach/Vinny etc. sells Snyder on a guy and Snyder tries to get them to sign by hobnobbing with the targeted player.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:What he means by Danny's recruiting being a "big plus" is that Snyder loves gassing up Redskins One and meeting with players to try and get them to come aboard.

The coach/Vinny etc. sells Snyder on a guy and Snyder tries to get them to sign by hobnobbing with the targeted player.

Now you're making my points for me. This is not a PLUS -- Snyder needs to get his jollies by gassing up Redskins One. Makes him feel important and somehow involved.

An owner's role consists of two primary things:

1) sign the checks -- tell the CFO (Chief Football Officer) how much he has to spend but STFU on how he should spend it

and 2) shake the commish's hand and accept trophies on national TV

Even without direct involvement in the process, you will get your due credit if/when you win a title. That's one of the perks of ownership.

Just ask Bob Kraft, John Mara and Steve Tisch, and Jim Irsay.
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AP wrote:ASHBURN, Va. (AP) — A good way to get a Washington Redskins player to clam up is to ask about Vinny Cerrato.

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"People didn't like me when I was at Notre Dame, either, and that was all the people you played against," Cerrato said. "When I was in San Francisco, they didn't like me because I was too young being the personnel director of a Super Bowl team. It's been my whole career."


Maybe there is a whole bunch of reasons for that "love" among players, fans, and staff in college and pro-football including 31 other NFL teams.

How long more Danny?

How long are you going to remain as the favorite laughingstock CLOWN in the NFL?

How long more is your ego going to keep destroying this team?

Read my signature Danny. Read it well. Read it often. ;furious;
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Hey Vinny .. you again mis-speak the truth. You were NOT NOT NOT the personnel director of a Super Bowl team. You were promoted to that job AFTER the 49ers won their last ring ... and you were the trigger to their fall-off.


Really??? :shock: I did not know that....that was the one thing he had going for him with me...very disheartning to hear this
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RedskinsFreak wrote:Hey Vinny .. you again mis-speak the truth. You were NOT NOT NOT the personnel director of a Super Bowl team. You were promoted to that job AFTER the 49ers won their last ring ... and you were the trigger to their fall-off.

But this speaks even more volumes to what the majority of the football world already knows.


How is that mis-speaking? Vinny was promoted to Director of Pro Personnel the season after they won the Superbowl. He was at that moment DPP of a Superbowl team. Why would people complain about his youth if he had just won a Superbowl, that doesn't even make sense.

Also, how did he trigger their fall off? By drafting T.O.? Ted Washington, Ricky Watters, Dana Stubblefield, Bryant Young?

Was it getting Roy Barker, Chris Doleman, Garrison Hearst, Kevin Greene and others who unlike these guys may not have been stars but helped the 49ers win?

San Fransisco went 11-5, 12-4, 13-3, and 12-4 with Vinny as DPP.

If people could actually point to one thing that Vinny has actually done with the Redskins that they didn't like that would be one thing, but all the attacks on him are nonsense. "He's just Danny's racketball partner." "He'd never get a job in the NFL if it wasn't for the Redskins."

It's bogus.

I was never the biggest Vinny fan, but he's had a good career and the vast majority of the criticism against him is totally unwarranted. Now that he is the President of Pro Football Operations for the Redskins let's give him a chance to succeed.

What did he do so wrong in his first season last year? He didn't go out and get a lot of free agents. He traded our top pick and picked up TWO second rounders and we eventually landed the guy we wanted anyway in Devin Thomas. It was brilliant!

This is what Scouts Inc. on ESPN.com said about our top three picks at the time:

34. Washington Redskins
The pick: Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
What he brings: Washington couldn't be happier about Thomas slipping, considering no one would have blinked had the Redskins selected him in the first round. Thomas isn't as good at stretching the field as his speed would suggest, and he needs to improve his route running. But he has the quickness and athletic ability to continue to improve in those areas. He's also very good creating after a catch for a player his size.
How he fits: Thomas provides them with a big receiver who had solid production at Michigan State. He is a good fit in Jim Zorn's West Coast offense. He is a two-level receiver and a perfect fit in Washington.


48. Washington Redskins
The pick: Fred Davis, TE, USC
What he brings: There were concerns about Davis' ability to stretch the field before the combine, and his slow 40 time backed up what we saw on film. He isn't an overwhelming in-line blocker, either, but does a good job getting in position and fights to sustain his blocks. In addition, he has the athletic ability, big hands and long arms to emerge as a reliable possession receiver.
How he fits: Based on the offensive scheme Jim Zorn will run, the two-tight end packages will be key. Davis will allow the Redskins to move TE Chris Cooley all over and create mismatches on offense. There were no other quality tight ends on the roster and Davis fills this need for Washington.

51. Washington Redskins
The pick: Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
What he brings: It looked at one point like Kelly would be the first receiver off the board, but concerns about his speed and durability caused his stock to drop. That said, Kelly could be one of the steals of the draft if he's able to stay healthy. He has outstanding size, very strong hands and he can make plays in traffic. Although he needs to improve his route running, he changes directions fairly well. He'll be able to separate from man coverage once his footwork improves.
How he fits: Obviously the Redskins have taken advantage of the receivers falling on draft day. This team has lacked big and physical receivers who will open up the West Coast attack even more, and the addition of Kelly will help them open up Antwaan Randle El and Santana Moss. This pick, along with WR Devin Thomas, helps bolster a questionable receiving corps.


Just look at that stuff I highlighted.

Mel Kiper gave us one of his highest grades for the draft:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/ ... id=3357479

(Don't give me any BS about how they didn't perform this season, judging a draft the season after is moronic and it's the reason why most people are fans instead of front office members.)
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DEHog wrote:Really??? :shock: I did not know that....that was the one thing he had going for him with me...very disheartning to hear this

Yup. He was Director of College Scouting in 1994 (the last title season) -- reporting to Carmen Policy (club president) and Dwight Clark (coordinator of football operations).

Very soon after that, VC became Dir. of Player Personnel ... while Clark became VP/Dir. of Football Operations.

He was the top guy for four 49ers drafts:

1995 49ers

1. J.J. Stokes WR, UCLA (traded up)
2. to St. Louis
3. to Cleveland
4. Tim Hanshaw G, BYU
5. to Detroit
6. Antonio Armstrong DE, Texas AM
7. Herbert Coleman DE, Trinity

1996 49ers

1. to Baltimore
2. Israel Ifeanyi DE, USC (traded up)
3. Terrell Owens WR, Tennessee-Chattanooga
4. Daryl Price DE, Colorado
5. Iheanyi Uwaezuoke WR, California
6. Stephen Pitts RB, Penn State
7. Sean Manuel TE, New Mexico State
7. Sam Manuel LB, New Mexico State

1997 49ers

1. Jim Druckenmiller QB, Virgina Tech
2. Marc Edwards FB, Notre Dame
3. Greg Clark TE, Stanford
4. to Miami
5. to Indianapolis
6. to Philadelphia
7. to Philadelphia

1998 49ers

1. R.W. McQuarters DB, Oklahoma State
2. Jeremy Newberry C, California
3. Chris Ruhman T, Texas AM
4. Lance Schulters DB, Hofstra
5. Phil Ostrowski G, Penn State
6. Fred Beasley RB, Auburn
7. Ryan Thelwell WR, Minnesota

You can't deny him T.O. (talent-wise, at least). But what else? McQuarters was solid for a good while. Schulters, too. But JJ Stokes (a WR at the top of the list, hmmmm .....) was a bust.

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RedskinsFreak wrote:
DEHog wrote:Really??? :shock: I did not know that....that was the one thing he had going for him with me...very disheartning to hear this

Yup. He was Director of College Scouting in 1994 (the last title season) -- reporting to Carmen Policy (club president) and Dwight Clark (coordinator of football operations).

Very soon after that, VC became Dir. of Player Personnel ... while Clark became VP/Dir. of Football Operations.

He was the top guy for four 49ers drafts:

1995 49ers

1. J.J. Stokes WR, UCLA (traded up)
2. to St. Louis
3. to Cleveland
4. Tim Hanshaw G, BYU
5. to Detroit
6. Antonio Armstrong DE, Texas AM
7. Herbert Coleman DE, Trinity

1996 49ers

1. to Baltimore
2. Israel Ifeanyi DE, USC (traded up)
3. Terrell Owens WR, Tennessee-Chattanooga
4. Daryl Price DE, Colorado
5. Iheanyi Uwaezuoke WR, California
6. Stephen Pitts RB, Penn State
7. Sean Manuel TE, New Mexico State
7. Sam Manuel LB, New Mexico State

1997 49ers

1. Jim Druckenmiller QB, Virgina Tech
2. Marc Edwards FB, Notre Dame
3. Greg Clark TE, Stanford
4. to Miami
5. to Indianapolis
6. to Philadelphia
7. to Philadelphia

1998 49ers

1. R.W. McQuarters DB, Oklahoma State
2. Jeremy Newberry C, California
3. Chris Ruhman T, Texas AM
4. Lance Schulters DB, Hofstra
5. Phil Ostrowski G, Penn State
6. Fred Beasley RB, Auburn
7. Ryan Thelwell WR, Minnesota

You can't deny him T.O. (talent-wise, at least). But what else? McQuarters was solid for a good while. Schulters, too. But JJ Stokes (a WR at the top of the list, hmmmm .....) was a bust.

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Ugh. That list would make any sane person shudder, except for the T.O. selection.
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How is that mis-speaking? Vinny was promoted to Director of Pro Personnel the season after they won the Superbowl. He was at that moment DPP of a Superbowl team. Why would people complain about his youth if he had just won a Superbowl, that doesn't even make sense


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Skinsfan55 wrote:How is that mis-speaking? Vinny was promoted to Director of Pro Personnel the season after they won the Superbowl. He was at that moment DPP of a Superbowl team.


It's completely intended to be deceptive. He wasn't the DPP that built that title team. That's what he implies when he says that. Total Used Car sales speak.

Policy and Clark were above him on the food chain as that championship team was formed (Policy was NFL Executive of the Year in 1994).

San Fransisco went 11-5, 12-4, 13-3, and 12-4 with Vinny as DPP.

If people could actually point to one thing that Vinny has actually done with the Redskins that they didn't like that would be one thing,


You got enough time, or do you want to watch the bowl games?

I can start -- and be pretty inclusive -- with 8-8, 7-9, 5-11, 6-10, 10-6, 5-11, 9-7, 8-8. Three playoff appearances in nine seasons, two game wins, one home game. Those are inadequate achievements for an NFL team in this city.

To be frank, we really won't ever know how he'd do if he were truly left to his own acumen. He has voluntarily allowed himself to be subject to ownership manipulation and approval. He said as much himself yesterday when he said he was OK with having to run every major decision past DS.

He SHOULDN'T be OK with that. But he doesn't have the spine to go into DS's office and say "You want me to run this team? Let it be on me, and only me -- 100 percent."
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To be frank, we really won't ever know how he'd do if he were truly left to his own acumen. He has voluntarily allowed himself to be subject to ownership manipulation and approval. He said as much himself yesterday when he said he was OK with having to run every major decision past DS.


Bingo!!! I've been screaming that here for the last week!!
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Skinsfan55 wrote:San Fransisco went 11-5, 12-4, 13-3, and 12-4 with Vinny as DPP.


And then he was fired.

Yes, the 49ers were good. But the 49ers were always good. Cerrato not only failed to successfully transition the team into the next generation of winners (mostly by whiffing on Jim Druckenmiller), but he was part of the three-headed monster (along with Clark and Policy) that screwed the franchise by getting them into all kinds of cap trouble. They still haven't recovered.

The real reason people hate Cerrato is because he represents everything that's wrong with Snyder. The ONLY reason Cerrato has the job he does is because he was one of the first guys Snyder befriended when he got into football. Snyder knows that Cerrato will keep him in the loop, and not tell him to butt out when Snyder is interfering. Snyder had that one season when Schottenheimer was running the show, and little Danny didn't like it. Screw the fact that the team went 8-3 down the stretch with Tony Banks playing quarterback. The last time the Redskins finished a season that strong, it ended with Mark Rypien booking a trip to Disneyland.

So why is it that when the Redskins went 8-8 with a new coach in 2001 (yet finished 8-3) heads rolled, but in 2008, when the Redskins go 8-8 with a new head coach (yet finish 2-6), Snyder holds pat? If you think it's because Snyder has matured, you're kidding yourself. The difference is that in 2001, little Danny wasn't involved, but in 2008, he is. And that's what matters most, not wins or losses, but Danny getting to play with his toy.

If Snyder really cared about winning, and not just being involved with day-to-day operations, he would have gone after a guy like Scott Pioli a long time ago. You know, someone who has a good track record in this decade, not someone who worked for a dying dynasty ten years ago.
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So anything that went right in San Fran was the work of someone else, anything that went right in Washington is the work of something else and Vinny was directly responsible for everything that's gone wrong with both the 49ers and the Redskins. Got it.

Btw, take a closer look at that list of draft picks. Lance Shulters was an excellent defensive back, Jeremy Newberry was and is one of the league's top centers, Fred Beasley was a great fullback, Greg Clark was a nice role player, T.O. is one of the best wideouts ever... lots of traded picks, which you hate to see, but Vinny should also get some credit for the picks made from 1991-1994 since he was the head of college scouting for an NFL Dynasty.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:So anything that went right in San Fran was the work of someone else, anything that went right in Washington is the work of something else and Vinny was directly responsible for everything that's gone wrong with both the 49ers and the Redskins. Got it.

Btw, take a closer look at that list of draft picks. Lance Shulters was an excellent defensive back, Jeremy Newberry was and is one of the league's top centers, Fred Beasley was a great fullback, Greg Clark was a nice role player, T.O. is one of the best wideouts ever... lots of traded picks, which you hate to see, but Vinny should also get some credit for the picks made from 1991-1994 since he was the head of college scouting for an NFL Dynasty.


Yea...why all the anti-Vinny threads Scott Campbell is to blame for this mess!!

It works both way Spanky... so Vinny get all the credit in SF but baers no blame in D.C. according to you he's has not control until last year
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Skinsfan55 wrote:...but Vinny should also get some credit for the picks made from 1991-1994 since he was the head of college scouting for an NFL Dynasty.


Sure, he gets credit. The work he did from 1991-1994 (which was fifteen years ago, by the way) earned him a promotion. The work he did in the four years afterwards earned him a pink slip. No team hired him until Snyder bought the Redskins. After Schottenheimer fired him, no team hired him until Snyder hired him again. The reason he's running the Redskins is not because of his resume, and you know it.
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Just to be fair:
He said as much himself yesterday when he said he was OK with having to run every major decision past DS.


Bobby Beathard and Joe Gibbs ran every major decision past Jack Kent Cooke. Recall that Edward Bennett Williams, Redskins President, left because Cooke decided to move to Washington and become "more involved" with his football team. Williams built the Redskins out of the wreckage left by George Preston Marshall -- a great showman, but a racist moron with no football sense.

Snyder is no racist, but he has the other major Marshall deficiency: he wants to make all the decisions. Unlike George Halas -- the model here -- Marshall only understood showmanship. That's why we have the Redskins Marching Band.

When Beathard and Gibbs brought a decision to Cooke, JKC said "yes". Cooke was as much an egomaniac as Snyder, but Cooke wanted, most of all, to stand on-camera and receive the Lombardi Trophy. Cooke was happy to hire the best assistants, paying the most money, and to let them bring him trophies.

Marshall wanted and Snyder wants to control everything.

I out-lived Marshall, but Snyder looks like he'll be here a lot longer than me. (sigh).

There isn't much we can do about it. We can ask how Snyder was chosen to run the team. We can hope that Snyder learned something from being around Gibbs. We can hope that Snyder lets Cerrato make football decisions. There is not much evidence on which to base our hopes.

However, we are Redskin fans. We remember Sammy Baugh at QB, as well as Ralph Gugliemi, as well as Sonny Jurgenson. Being a Fedskin fan means living in hope.
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DEHog wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:So anything that went right in San Fran was the work of someone else, anything that went right in Washington is the work of something else and Vinny was directly responsible for everything that's gone wrong with both the 49ers and the Redskins. Got it.

Btw, take a closer look at that list of draft picks. Lance Shulters was an excellent defensive back, Jeremy Newberry was and is one of the league's top centers, Fred Beasley was a great fullback, Greg Clark was a nice role player, T.O. is one of the best wideouts ever... lots of traded picks, which you hate to see, but Vinny should also get some credit for the picks made from 1991-1994 since he was the head of college scouting for an NFL Dynasty.


Yea...why all the anti-Vinny threads Scott Campbell is to blame for this mess!!

It works both way Spanky... so Vinny get all the credit in SF but baers no blame in D.C. according to you he's has not control until last year


Why would Vinny get the blame in DC? While he's been here nine years I imagine it was in some advisory capacity. You couldn't just blame some random front office guy for the whole mess, especially when Joe Gibbs and Steve Spurrier (who both had personnel control) were at fault for a LARGE part of it.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:Why would Vinny get the blame in DC? While he's been here nine years I imagine it was in some advisory capacity. You couldn't just blame some random front office guy for the whole mess, especially when Joe Gibbs and Steve Spurrier (who both had personnel control) were at fault for a LARGE part of it.

Spurrier most definitely DID NOT have personnel control.

I find this line from the story on the day Spurrier left: "Spurrier also was said to be seeking added sway in roster and personnel matters, something he previously has not requested."

Going back into the media guides, we find in the Vinny section:

2002 (Vinny returns as DPP, Spurrier coaches) -- "In his new role, Cerrato will assist VPFO Joe Mendes in player evaluation and other scouting activities."

Fair enough. But if you look in the Mendes section as VP of Football Operations, it says "he is responsible for overseeing all aspects of player personnel, including college and pro scouting, the draft, free agency, contract ngotiations and day-to-day football operations of the club."

In 2003, VC was moved to VPFO and that same "overseeing all aspects ..." line is part of his job description.

The Gibbs three-headed think-tank was a different situation -- although Cerrato's write-up didn't change one iota -- and, even if JJG had final say, you know DS and VC were very active in all aspects of the decision-making process.

But I distinctly remember Spurrier when he started here. He said he "just wanted to be a ball coach" and would leave player procurement to others.
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RedskinsFreak wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:Why would Vinny get the blame in DC? While he's been here nine years I imagine it was in some advisory capacity. You couldn't just blame some random front office guy for the whole mess, especially when Joe Gibbs and Steve Spurrier (who both had personnel control) were at fault for a LARGE part of it.

Spurrier most definitely DID NOT have personnel control.

I find this line from the story on the day Spurrier left: "Spurrier also was said to be seeking added sway in roster and personnel matters, something he previously has not requested."

Going back into the media guides, we find in the Vinny section:

2002 (Vinny returns as DPP, Spurrier coaches) -- "In his new role, Cerrato will assist VPFO Joe Mendes in player evaluation and other scouting activities."

Fair enough. But if you look in the Mendes section as VP of Football Operations, it says "he is responsible for overseeing all aspects of player personnel, including college and pro scouting, the draft, free agency, contract ngotiations and day-to-day football operations of the club."

In 2003, VC was moved to VPFO and that same "overseeing all aspects ..." line is part of his job description.

The Gibbs three-headed think-tank was a different situation -- although Cerrato's write-up didn't change one iota -- and, even if JJG had final say, you know DS and VC were very active in all aspects of the decision-making process.

But I distinctly remember Spurrier when he started here. He said he "just wanted to be a ball coach" and would leave player procurement to others.


My point is you not blaming him but your quick to give him credit...
Don't forget that in the from Spurrier to Gibbs they had all the control. Vinny worked with us in 2000, was fired by Schottenheimer and re-hired in 2002 when Spurrier mainly had personnel control. In 2000 Vinny helped draft LaVar Arrington and Chris Samuels. This season he drafted two wide receivers (steep learning curve for that position) a tight end who has wowed coaches with his work ethic, an offensive lineman with a lot of potential, a saftey who won a defensive player of the week award, and a couple others who could become nice role players.)


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Steve Spurrier didn't have any personnel control?

Danny Wuerffel, Shane Matthews, Jaquez Green, and Chris Doering were all brought aboard in his two seasons.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:Steve Spurrier didn't have any personnel control?

Danny Wuerffel, Shane Matthews, Jaquez Green, and Chris Doering were all brought aboard in his two seasons.


Input and expression of preference =/= control.
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Now is the time for the FO to step up and to bring the impact that they strive to bring. In years past they have played us all like monkeys year after year and the output has been the same . Only for them to rearrange the team for the same mundane situation.
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