What to do now??

[roybus14]

With Parcells looming to leave the Fins if the team is sold; Shanahan out in Denver; Pioli looking; Cowher still out there; cleveland's GM looking; Ozzie's scout ready; Casserly still out there; a few Assistant GM's of successful teams ready to be GM; few fired HC's that were great coordinator's available;

What should Danny do now with this potential buffett of GM's and Coaches available?? Shoujld he blow this thing and start over with a new GM and new Coach or should he stick with Zorn and his racquetball partner who is misguided that he called two rookie DL that were available busts all while gettting their stats wrong?

I say blow it up. Get one of these good GM's to find the right coach and players start over....

Or do we stay the course with a HC that is clearly over his head and a so-called GM who thinks that rookie DL should make in immediate impact while many don't until their 2nd and 3rd year (i.e. Tuck, Kiwanuka, Mario Williams, etc.)....

[Skinsfan55]

Why would you blow up this team?

There is a core there that had a chance to start the season 7-1 (stupid Rams) and despite the final record of 8-8 had some winnable games that could have turned things around.

This team just needs consistency and depth, the core here is good enough to win a championship.

I wish Vinny had never traded for Jason Taylor, and just kept Demetric Evans, but all indications were that Jason Taylor was going to do well for us. He didn't and he cost us a 2nd round pick. That hurts, but blowing up the team is totally overreacting.

What this organization needs to do is trim some of the older guys like Washington, Griffin, Springs, Taylor etc. and get some younger players via free agency and the draft. They need build a team with quality depth.

If Demetric Evans and Phillip Daniels come back and we get Haynesworth we'll go a long way towards building the depth we need. Imagine Daniels playing some defensive tackle on passing downs, with Haynesworth also rotating between tackle and end. Andre Carter's numbers would go back to his 2007 production with improved tackle play. The defensive line could become a position of strength with just a couple key guys.

What if, along with Heyer and Rinehart we draft a new offensive lineman at our 13th pick. He could take over for Jansen and we'd have two great tackles on the offensive line along with Rinehart who's still developig split time with Pete Kendall (who despite his age was one of our better linemen last season).

There's just so much to build on with this team that blowing it up is a mistake IMO. If we re-sign Hall and go out and get another defensive lineman those three second rounders could continue to develop and we'd be a dangerous team next season.

[cleg]

Blow it up.

[crazyhorse1]

Blow it up.

Shanahan for HC. Ist and 3rd round drafts for OL. Keep Taylor, but put him on the left side and sign a Monster DT from top of available FA's.

The rest of the draft picks and FA acquisitions should be for OL depth and a first-rate linebacker outside LB.

The big question marks at receiver is mind boggling. Why didn't Zorn play the new guys. Are they simply bad players-- Kelly has been inactive for weeks in spite of having recovered from injury?

Do they get open? In other words, is their failure due to Zorn not playing them and Campbell not trying to find them?

We can't possibly win by running behind the present OL and passing only to two guys. It's just not possible. I still can't believe Zorn was still trying to win by that formula at the end of the year. Incredible. Sack him.

[DEHog]

I'm not for blowing it up but if it meant getting rid of Vinny I would. I would not allow Vinny to make one more pick for this franchise

[VetSkinsFan]

With Parcells looming to leave the Fins if the team is sold; Shanahan out in Denver; Pioli looking; Cowher still out there; cleveland's GM looking; Ozzie's scout ready; Casserly still out there; a few Assistant GM's of successful teams ready to be GM; few fired HC's that were great coordinator's available;

What should Danny do now with this potential buffett of GM's and Coaches available?? Shoujld he blow this thing and start over with a new GM and new Coach or should he stick with Zorn and his racquetball partner who is misguided that he called two rookie DL that were available busts all while gettting their stats wrong?

I say blow it up. Get one of these good GM's to find the right coach and players start over....

Or do we stay the course with a HC that is clearly over his head and a so-called GM who thinks that rookie DL should make in immediate impact while many don't until their 2nd and 3rd year (i.e. Tuck, Kiwanuka, Mario Williams, etc.)....

What a ludicrouspost. Let's change AGAIN before this system gets a chance to work.

[Mursilis]

What to do now? I'll tell you what to do now - nothing. Unless you're secretly Dan Snyder, there's nothing you can do as a fan except sit and wait for the free agency, the draft, and finally training camp. I don't expect there to be a change in either the GM or coach positions this offseason, and I don't have any interest in playing "fantasy owner" on an internet board.

[Bob 0119]

Yes! Blow it up!!

I'm sure that's the answer!!

It's worked so well for us in the past!

We'll just hire a new coach. Fire all of our current players (Cap be damned, I say!) bring in a bunch of free agents (they better be cheap 'cuz the cap penalties for firing all 53 players is gonna be huge!!) and we'll march gloriously into the Super Bowl like it ain't no thang!

We'll show Al Davis that he can't corner the market on crazy!

[DEHog]

I wish Vinny had never traded for Jason Taylor, and just kept Demetric Evans, but all indications were that Jason Taylor was going to do well for us. He didn't and he cost us a 2nd round pick. That hurts, but blowing up the team is totally overreacting.

But you said this when it happened??

We just drafted like three second rounders in this latest draft, now we gave one up next year and still have our first rounder. So what?

A second round draft pick and a future 6th rounder are a small price to pay for arguably the best defensive lineman in football.

I get so dizzy reading your posts...you so all over the place!!!

To easy to say it after the fact..at least most of us are consistence!

[roybus14]

With Parcells looming to leave the Fins if the team is sold; Shanahan out in Denver; Pioli looking; Cowher still out there; cleveland's GM looking; Ozzie's scout ready; Casserly still out there; a few Assistant GM's of successful teams ready to be GM; few fired HC's that were great coordinator's available;

What should Danny do now with this potential buffett of GM's and Coaches available?? Shoujld he blow this thing and start over with a new GM and new Coach or should he stick with Zorn and his racquetball partner who is misguided that he called two rookie DL that were available busts all while gettting their stats wrong?

I say blow it up. Get one of these good GM's to find the right coach and players start over....

Or do we stay the course with a HC that is clearly over his head and a so-called GM who thinks that rookie DL should make in immediate impact while many don't until their 2nd and 3rd year (i.e. Tuck, Kiwanuka, Mario Williams, etc.)....

What a ludicrouspost. Let's change AGAIN before this system gets a chance to work.

You are entitled to your own opinion obviously but tell me what Zorn and Vinny have done that gives you confidence to stay the course.

Yes we were 6-2 at one point but the inability of the front office to see the need for OL and DL by drafting a TE we don't need and two WR's instead of OL and DL, then top that off with a HC that couldn't make the necessary adjustments once the league figured us out at 6-2, who fought with the star RB in the press; called out guys in the press with one being your Rookie TE basically saying he's stupid because "it didn't stick", we should stay the course and build consistency with a HC and GM that don't get it.

If this team had lost the games they were supposed to, to good opponents, then I'd say keep it together. But to lose to the Rams, Cincy, and the Niners of all teams. Barely squeak by Detroit, Cleveland and Seattle all while scoring fewer touchdowns than the 0-16 Lions is not to me saying we need to stay the course.

Answer a couple of questions - Why are three other rookie HC's in the playoffs (Harbaugh, Sporano, and Mike Smith) with teams that have equal or lesser talent on offense than us? Two of those teams are in with rookie QBs and the third is in with a QB who many thought was washed up. What makes these HCs any different than Zorn? They've never been HC's before either and basically inherited their teams too. Oh and by the way, three assistants on Atlanta's staff were previously here: Musgrave QB Coach, Robiske WR Coach, and Emmitt Thomas DB Coach.

[VetSkinsFan]

Answer a couple of questions - Why are three other rookie HC's in the playoffs (Harbaugh, Sporano, and Mike Smith) with teams that have equal or lesser talent on offense than us? Two of those teams are in with rookie QBs and the third is in with a QB who many thought was washed up. What makes these HCs any different than Zorn? They've never been HC's before either and basically inherited their teams too. Oh and by the way, three assistants on Atlanta's staff were previously here: Musgrave QB Coach, Robiske WR Coach, and Emmitt Thomas DB Coach.

I don't care what other rookie head coaches do. I know that to master a new offensive system COULD and probably DOES take more than 1 season. Zorn didn't even have a full off-season to prepare. I'm glad that other rookie HCs had success. I really am. Everyone doesn't catch instant success.

Zorn may be a bust all around. Zorn may not work out here and go on and do great things. Zorn also may do great things here. All I know is that 1 incomplete year is not enough to deem Zorn a bust.

And you can separate Vinny and Zorn. Vinny's been here for awhile and Zorn just got here. They are NOT joined at the hip like Vinny and Danny.

[SkinsJock]

With Parcells looming to leave the Fins if the team is sold; Shanahan out in Denver; Pioli looking; Cowher still out there; cleveland's GM looking; Ozzie's scout ready; Casserly still out there; a few Assistant GM's of successful teams ready to be GM; few fired HC's that were great coordinator's available;

What should Danny do now with this potential buffett of GM's and Coaches available?? Shoujld he blow this thing and start over with a new GM and new Coach or should he stick with Zorn and his racquetball partner who is misguided that he called two rookie DL that were available busts all while gettting their stats wrong?

I say blow it up. Get one of these good GM's to find the right coach and players start over....

Or do we stay the course with a HC that is clearly over his head and a so-called GM who thinks that rookie DL should make in immediate impact while many don't until their 2nd and 3rd year (i.e. Tuck, Kiwanuka, Mario Williams, etc.)....

I think that this is so far fetched that it is entirely possible

I think we have a very real possibility here of having 2 Redskins teams here next year - one will be run by various fans that want a complete change and another run by the current FO that will in my very humble opinion have a better chance of success .. but who knows - things are crazy around here and the fantasy club might actually win a few games

Give me a break! That post lacks any real chance of success and is very wishful thinking but if you think that there is any real chance of both Cerrato and Zorn not being a part of this team next year you, my friend, are dreaming



don't you just hate Fantasy Football

[roybus14]

With Parcells looming to leave the Fins if the team is sold; Shanahan out in Denver; Pioli looking; Cowher still out there; cleveland's GM looking; Ozzie's scout ready; Casserly still out there; a few Assistant GM's of successful teams ready to be GM; few fired HC's that were great coordinator's available;

What should Danny do now with this potential buffett of GM's and Coaches available?? Shoujld he blow this thing and start over with a new GM and new Coach or should he stick with Zorn and his racquetball partner who is misguided that he called two rookie DL that were available busts all while gettting their stats wrong?

I say blow it up. Get one of these good GM's to find the right coach and players start over....

Or do we stay the course with a HC that is clearly over his head and a so-called GM who thinks that rookie DL should make in immediate impact while many don't until their 2nd and 3rd year (i.e. Tuck, Kiwanuka, Mario Williams, etc.)....

I think that this is so far fetched that it is entirely possible

I think we have a very real possibility here of having 2 Redskins teams here next year - one will be run by various fans that want a complete change and another run by the current FO that will in my very humble opinion have a better chance of success .. but who knows - things are crazy around here and the fantasy club might actually win a few games

Give me a break! That post lacks any real chance of success and is very wishful thinking but if you think that there is any real chance of both Cerrato and Zorn not being a part of this team next year you, my friend, are dreaming



don't you just hate Fantasy Football

How can you say it lacks a real chance at success when it hasn't even happened? I'm saying that right now if you want to do this thing right, you have a class of folks out there now with football experience that if you wanted to start over could be better than what you currently have now. Take the chance, talk to them to see if they will come and if they don't then we can stay in mediocrity.

Let's stop sugar coating this thing and keep it real. Zorn and Vinny are over their heads. Zorn's inexperience really showed because he was not able to make the adjustment to folks catching up to his scheme. Also, taking a 6'5 lanky QB and trying to make him into Matt Hasselbeck or Jeff Garcia is not the move. I understand you want to run the WC offense but you know what you have in JC and his physical attributes are better served running a different offense. He's too long and lanky for a quick step drop and throw. So why is Zorn trying to put a square peg into a round hole. Adjust the offense to best use JC's natural gifts: his size, his arm, and his legs.

As a "GM" you have to had seen that Jansen was on his last legs and you needed depth on the OL. To not use at least one of the three picks to add a quality rookie OL was stupid. Heyer was a FA (rookie) when we picked him up and look what happened. Not to bad. He doesn't stink. Gaither in B'more, his teammate at Maryland, hasn't done to bad either. So we get a quality OL in this past draft with one of those picks and we find Reinhart late like we did, now we have a building block of young OL in the wings. Maybe the higher pick rookie would have played and worked out like Heyer and maybe not but at least we have a little depth. Jason Taylor was a crap shoot that we appeared to have lost but who knew? But injuries happend and I don't understand why we didn't play him on his natural side and make Carter move?

You know what though, I will wait and see. I will still give my opinions but I will also take the wait and see attitude and I will be the first to come to you and admit I was wrong if Zorn and Vinny can turn this thing around.

[riggofan]

The "blow it up" people are just completely laughable. These are the same people who complain about Snyder, but they would run the team baasically the EXACT SAME WAY.

You cannot change QBs every year. You cannot change coaches every year. You cannot bring in a new OC every year. You can't do these things and expect to win.

Want some proof? See the Washington Redskins from 1996 - 2008.

I don't know. Maybe that stuff works playing Madden or something...

[RedskinsFreak]

The "blow it up" people are just completely laughable. These are the same people who complain about Snyder, but they would run the team baasically the EXACT SAME WAY.

Really? The way it's done is bring in a Qualified Football Guy, give him the keys, and then get out.

Go promote that now-magic-less "Redskins" brand, but leave everything football to said QFG. Your presence is no longer invited.

[Skinsfan55]

I wish Vinny had never traded for Jason Taylor, and just kept Demetric Evans, but all indications were that Jason Taylor was going to do well for us. He didn't and he cost us a 2nd round pick. That hurts, but blowing up the team is totally overreacting.

But you said this when it happened??

We just drafted like three second rounders in this latest draft, now we gave one up next year and still have our first rounder. So what?

A second round draft pick and a future 6th rounder are a small price to pay for arguably the best defensive lineman in football.

I get so dizzy reading your posts...you so all over the place!!!

To easy to say it after the fact..at least most of us are consistence!

At the time I loved the move, it didn't work out and I admitted I was wrong.

How is that dizzying? I'm not George W. Bush, when I see evidence that I made a mistake I admit it.

At the time it seemed like a good deal, but it wasn't. Taylor was hurt all year and wasn't even an everyday player. Hindsight's 20/20 right?

[DEHog]

I wish Vinny had never traded for Jason Taylor, and just kept Demetric Evans, but all indications were that Jason Taylor was going to do well for us. He didn't and he cost us a 2nd round pick. That hurts, but blowing up the team is totally overreacting.

But you said this when it happened??

We just drafted like three second rounders in this latest draft, now we gave one up next year and still have our first rounder. So what?

A second round draft pick and a future 6th rounder are a small price to pay for arguably the best defensive lineman in football.

I get so dizzy reading your posts...you so all over the place!!!

To easy to say it after the fact..at least most of us are consistence!

At the time I loved the move, it didn't work out and I admitted I was wrong.

How is that dizzying? I'm not George W. Bush, when I see evidence that I made a mistake I admit it.

At the time it seemed like a good deal, but it wasn't. Taylor was hurt all year and wasn't even an everyday player. Hindsight's 20/20 right?

Forget Taylor...you say a 2nd is nothing in one breathe and now it's something???

[SkinsJock]

I am for some real changes again this year. However, I just do not think that it is at all realistic to think that we would be better off to get rid of both Zorn and Cerrato this year.

Cerrato should be out of here but I just do not think that is likely, possible yes, because with Snyder anything is possible, but I think he keeps Cerrato and I do not think that Zorn really had a terrible year as the HC and because Snyder hired him I think Snyder will keep him.

We would be better off with a new GM and he should be allowed to run the team but I just do not think that Snyder is going to bring in someone (like a Floyd Reece or Casserly) and then allow them to hire the coaches and players that they want like fat boy did down in Miami - just not happening

[SKINFAN]

Blow it up.


Our HC is too busy coddling our QB to even give a good eval on the Rooks, at least that's my take on this whole, rooks not producing thing. Who ever it was that put Shanahan's name out there, that is a very interesting scenario. We got a coach for Campbell, why not for Clinton?

[Skinsfan55]

Forget Taylor...you say a 2nd is nothing in one breathe and now it's something???

What I was saying is that in hindsight we picked up an extra two second rounders in the draft and then traded one for this draft, so it's not that bad.

Like I said, it seemed like a small price to play for Jason Taylor (who knows, if he had been healthy...) but it turned out that we got hosed. It happens, but at the time it seemed like the smart thing to do.

[brad7686]

Mike Martz= New offensive coordinator.

[DEHog]

Forget Taylor...you say a 2nd is nothing in one breathe and now it's something???

What I was saying is that in hindsight we picked up an extra two second rounders in the draft and then traded one for this draft, so it's not that bad.

Like I said, it seemed like a small price to play for Jason Taylor (who knows, if he had been healthy...) but it turned out that we got hosed. It happens, but at the time it seemed like the smart thing to do.

That's too easy and I don't do that the team doesn't get to do that either. I didn't think it was smart...I understand the need but I didn't like the price.

[roybus14]

Mike Martz= New offensive coordinator.

Won't happen. Plus, is JC the QB to run his offense which relies on quick drops and slants???

[SKINFAN]

Mike Martz= New offensive coordinator.

Won't happen. Plus, is JC the QB to run his offense which relies on quick drops and slants???

[donniebrasco]

Here is what we need to do first

Cut:
Jason Taylor
Jon Jansen
Marcus Washington
Phillip Daniels
-These players are being cut for one or more of the following reasons; to old, under producing, nagging injuries slowing production, or to give a younger player who might be more productive more snaps. Now to cut every old player is ridicolous. How many times have we heard championship teams speak of veteran experience or leadership being the key to a championship, yes we need to get younger, but we also need a good mix of veterans and young players. (that should just be common sense)

Sign:
Terrell Suggs
-With Taylor cut we will once again looking for a consistent pass rush I say why not make a run at Suggs. Baltimore has Ray Lewis, Bart Scott, Dawan Landry, and backup tightend Daniel Wilcox who will want new contracts its doubtful that they will be able to retain all these players so I say we make a run at Suggs a two time pro bowler who has played both LB and DE on one of the NFL best defenses

Resign:
Deangelo Hall
Pete Kendall
-Yes He is old and is knees are shot, but if we can get him at a reasonable price (the key word being reasonable), I believe we can get maybe two decent years out of him and since we are going to be draft some young linemen is veteran insight can be help to those rookies who eventually will take his place.

The Draft
1 Round -best OL available -I prefer Eugene Monroe OT from Virginia
3 Round - best DT - I prefer Terrance Taylor from Michigan
5 Round - another OL
6 Round -best LB available

Overview
Portis and ey are studs. Jason Campbell no matter whatever his skill set maybe is learning a new offensive system again deserves another year to become more comfortable and while he isn't exceptional unless we have a better quarterback to replace him he should remain the starter (Matt Cassel maybe just a system quarterback so trying to sign him to me is absurd because he is going to big money to draw him away from NE and for only one good year to judge him by isn't worth the risk, plus we will stuck with another quarterback trying to learn Zorns system). Khary Campbell should be given Washingtons starter spot unless someone elses beats him. Take Randle El off of punt return duty so he can focus on being the number give that duty to Rock Cartwright or Devin Harris. I think the two recievers we drafted last year should produce on the field this year so I wouldn't go out and get a reciever.