Final thoughts/Final post

[SkinFan63]

What a fitting end to our season. It sure was nice for our D to show up today, of all days, to give us a winning record. Special thanks to our offense for scoring 24 points.......that was incredible.
Even more special thanks to our defense for losing the battle to the lowly 49ers. We appreciate it.
Our only bright spot????????
Dallas got their butts kicked and will watch the post season just like we will. Hope you all had a merry christmas and will have a happy new year!
See you all next summer.
Over and out! - SkinFan63

[Countertrey]

What a fitting end to our season. It sure was nice for our D to show up today, of all days, to give us a winning record. Special thanks to our offense for scoring 24 points.......that was incredible.
Even more special thanks to our defense for losing the battle to the lowly 49ers. We appreciate it.
Our only bright spot????????
Dallas got their butts kicked and will watch the post season just like we will. Hope you all had a merry christmas and will have a happy new year!
See you all next summer.
Over and out! - SkinFan63

You know, THN runs 365 days a year... no need to turn it off, just because the "official" football season is over. c'mon, hang around!

[JCaptMorgan12]

What a fitting end to our season. It sure was nice for our D to show up today, of all days, to give us a winning record. Special thanks to our offense for scoring 24 points.......that was incredible.
Even more special thanks to our defense for losing the battle to the lowly 49ers. We appreciate it.
Our only bright spot????????
Dallas got their butts kicked and will watch the post season just like we will. Hope you all had a merry christmas and will have a happy new year!
See you all next summer.
Over and out! - SkinFan63

i don't see how it is any more satisfying that the iggles are in the playoffs... best case would have been for neither of them to be there, and if i had to choose, don't shoot me, but i would have chosen the cowboys to be there... i live outside philly, and cannot stand the team or the fans... the only time i would root for the cowboys is if they are playing the iggles, or if it would help the redskins reach the postseason...

yeah, SF has the 16th ranked D, and we manage to put 24 points on the board, but couldn't do that against Cincy, which was pathetic...

[Thundersloth]

Skinsfan 63 things are only gonna get better when we find out about the off season deals we make to get more draft picks, then, before you know it, The 2009 NFL draft will be here and we can all talk about the picks that the FO made.

[SoulDOut]

yes, but are we talking about the 'same front office' to make "good moves"? lol

[RedskinsFreak]

yes, but are we talking about the 'same front office' to make "good moves"? lol

Unfortunately, yes. If there's another year of sameness at the top of the food chain .... you can bet the mortgage that there will be another year of sameness on the field.

Even in the three playoff runs (and three is hardly anything to hang your hat on ), they've never scared anyone as being a true postseason threat.

[Skinsfan55]

I actually think we finally have a good front office. Vinny's been in charge for one year and after Phillip Daniels came up injured, who wouldn't have traded for Jason Taylor? Did you guys think Demetric Evans was anything special before the season started?

I think that 2008 was an excellent draft and the moves he made (like trading for Taylor) were necessary. It sucks to lose a 2nd round pick on a guy who didn't show up big for us, but it was a pretty smart gamble at the time.

[RedskinsFreak]

I actually think we finally have a good front office. Vinny's been in charge for one year

He's been involved in the talent evaluation and acquisition process in each of the nine years he's been here. Even Gibbs (who was NOT the end-all, be-all, decide-all-by-myself guy) said the draft and FA decisions were a three-equal-parts (DS, VC and JG) process.

Man .... the must be pretty strong today.

[Skinsfan55]

I actually think we finally have a good front office. Vinny's been in charge for one year

He's been involved in the talent evaluation and acquisition process in each of the nine years he's been here. Even Gibbs (who was NOT the end-all, be-all, decide-all-by-myself guy) said the draft and FA decisions were a three-equal-parts (DS, VC and JG) process.

Man .... the must be pretty strong today.

Bull

Even Joe Theismann says that Joe Gibbs would never have allowed Vinny C. to draft the guys he did in the 08 draft because he was stubborn and had full control.

I'm not a Redskins fanboy, I'm as critical of the team as anyone, but our first year Vice President of Football operations deserves a little more time before people demand his resignation.

He finally is working with a coach where he has real power to make personnel decisions, Gregg Williams was largely in charge of his own defense and Gibbs wanted his own guys in the locker room. Steve Spurrier was in charge of the offense during his time here as is evidenced by all the Florida signings. Vinny only has a couple years of actual power in the Redskins organization and again: he has ONE year as Vice President of Football Operations.

We're going to see in the next couple years that the 08 draft was a bounty for the Redskins.

[Redskin in Canada]

Even Joe Theismann says that Joe Gibbs would never have allowed Vinny C. to draft the guys he did in the 08 draft because he was stubborn and had full control.

Another uninformed post from you.

EVEN Joe Gibbs HIMSELF said that drafting through his tenure was a three-way operation as indicated in the post you seem to consider "bull". But with your reputation as a poster in shambles in this board, Danny and Vinny are well served with your support.

[VetSkinsFan]

Here's my final thoughts on a roller coaster of a season. I think we all bought in to the hype from the 1st half of the year; I know I did.


I'm cautiously semi-optimistic to see what happens in this off-season. Horton showed flashes of greatness. Now he has to reinforce the good and correct the bad.

I have faith that at least ONE of our WRs will be competent next year. Kelly will be healthy and start at the same time everyone else does and Thomas showed that he is willing to fight for YAC. He looked more like a TE than a prototypical WR after the catch. I'm looking forward ot see what our WRs look like next year.

The turning point, though, will be the lines. We need some help in FA for BOTH of them to be formidable next year. It can be done. One great DT signing and our D line woes can be solved. O-line, on the other hand, has to be in increments. Even if the football gods are smiling upon us, we need more than one year to get it done the right way. We can see improvement next year, though.

All in all, we haven't had a horrible year. .500 is nothing to laugh at for a 1st year playcalller/HC. Zorn now has a full off-season to formulate a plan. Remember, he was going to be OC and then got promoted, so we all know he wasn't planning to go to HC. I think this year was a learning curve for him and he can bounce back next year.

We're all here (well, most of us) b/c we bleed burgundy and gold (or maroon and black, however you want to look at it). Keep that in mind. When thinking about and discussing something you love, you should keep in mind the positives. There's no reason to focus on the negatives.

[Redskin in Canada]

The turning point, though, will be the lines. We need some help in FA for BOTH of them to be formidable next year. It can be done.

You do not have to convince anybody around here. But you are summing up.

Onegreat DT signing and our D line woes can be solved.

Sorry brother. We need at least one great DT and a left DE PLUS DEPTH !!!

O-line, on the other hand, has to be in increments. Even if the football gods are smiling upon us, we need more than one year to get it done the right way. We can see improvement next year, though.

You are right. Problem is, we do not have a QB with the mental and physical skills to overcome deficiencies at the OL.

All in all, we haven't had a horrible year. .500 is nothing to laugh at for a 1st year playcalller/HC. Zorn now has a full off-season to formulate a plan. Remember, he was going to be OC and then got promoted, so we all know he wasn't planning to go to HC. I think this year was a learning curve for him and he can bounce back next year.

He better do that. He ONLY has ONE more season to show improvement. Mark my words.

There's no reason to focus on the negatives.

You are right. I am a Skins fan too. But you cannot add over a decade of dosappointment and frustration due to INCOMPTENCE, GREED and FAILURE and not expect that EVENTUALLY some fans will say, I had enough!!! and start shooting in every direction.

I understand and share the frustration of many fans. I do not enjoy or look forward to it but I understand it.

[VetSkinsFan]

You are right. I am a Skins fan too. But you cannot add over a decade of dosappointment and frustration due to INCOMPTENCE, GREED and FAILURE and not expect that EVENTUALLY some fans will say, I had enough!!! and start shooting in every direction.

I understand and share the frustration of many fans. I do not enjoy or look forward to it but I understand it.

No, to say, "I've had enough!" usually means that something is going to be done. The, "I've had enough!" mentality around HERE is to throw hissy fits and never be content with anything. If it's so bad, why "put up with it?" There are 31 more teams out there. To throw a hissy with no intelligent thought put in to a 'post' isn't a post, it's a freakin whine. Like a child throwing a fit.

The 'fans' who continually throw hissy fits and have nothing constructive to say aren't fans to me. They're whiny brats. Whomever takes offense to this, maybe some self-reflection is in order? In reality, there are always POSITIVES & NEGATIVES to a situation. Some people need to see that. At least we didn't set a new record for 0-16.

[StetSports.com]

As an outsider, I think the Redskins did better than expected. They had many injuries, a new head coach, and all of that under the same horrible front office.

I could easily see this team winning the NFC East next season, considering that the young players will get better, and the other divisional opponents are on the way down.

[VetSkinsFan]

As an outsider, I think the Redskins did better than expected. They had many injuries, a new head coach, and all of that under the same horrible front office.

I could easily see this team winning the NFC East next season, considering that the young players will get better, and the other divisional opponents are on the way down.

I don't see the Giants on their way down, but the the Cowboys are self-destructive and the Eagles are on the downside IMO.

[riggofan]

You know, THN runs 365 days a year... no need to turn it off, just because the "official" football season is over. c'mon, hang around!

Just wanted to agree here. I actually enjoy THN more in the offseason. There are a lot of interesting opinions on here during the draft and FA. A lot of people who post here are knowledgeable about the college kids coming up. It makes for good reading.

Even better you don't have to wade through hundreds of posts complaining that the Skins suck because we lost last Sunday. heh.

As far as final thoughts, I have to agree with whomever it was that felt good about the Cowboys losing yesterday. I felt great about that even if it was to the Eagles. Just remember this was the team that everybody was picking for the superbowl back in the summer. And they sure acted like they knew it.

Also, while it was irritating to lose to the 49ers, I guarantee you guys that in April we'll all be happy we lost that game. Our record should put us somwhere around the 13-15 spot.

Happy New Year to all you Skins fans. See you in 2009.

[Gametime33]

There's no doubt in my mind, the players we have on the field are more so the problem than the coaching staff.

Zorn has altered his coaching style to fit his quarterback's skills.

Unless ey and Moss are doubleteamed on every passing play, Jason should be able to complete a pass to these guys more than once a game.

With this being said, Zorn does like to use the run more often than I would like, but he is the coach and I am a fan.

My opinion counts only on sites such as these.

Trading down to improve both lines in this year's draft makes the most sense for an aging, ineffective team like the Skins.

If we are talking bright spots, DeAngelo Hall was a great pickup, and thank goodness he's a youngster.

We should say goodbye to Shawn Springs and use some of the money for a starting right offensive tackle.

In my dream world, we could nab Haynesworth, bring in Matt Cassel to push Jason for a starting job, and have Malcolm Kelly emerge as our #1 wide receiver.

Too many dropped balls that hit Santana in his hands for my liking.

2009 should not be a year of rebuilding, as much as it is, a year of reenergizing.

Leave the fossils in the stone, and let the larvae come out of their shells.

40 men together can't lose. George Allen

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Another year in the books. What a roller-coaster ride. I agree with VSF; the fantastic start swept me off my feet and suddenly I caught myself once or twice thinking, "every time the Giants have won a SB we followed suit." Plainly not realistic, but the fandom is strong in me.

With the 2-6 finish many questions about the team, about the coach, and of course about the FO have reared their ugly heads. This off-season will be one of change. At least it SHOULD be. Both interiors have to be rebuilt, our rookies -- with one notable SS exception -- have to get ready to be on the field during games, not just in warmups, and Mr. Campbell needs to do whatever it is he's gotta do to silence the voices in his head once and for all. It's football, son. You know, the game you've been playing your whole life? Yes, it's the highest level there is. Yes, you've had to learn just about every offensive scheme there is. But it's still the SAME game you've always excelled at. Just drop back, go through your reads, AND WING IT.

I am ever-optimistic about next year with my Skins; how can one not be, I wonder? Still, I'm not certain that all the holes in this team can be patched in just one off-season. I hope they can, but will be patient enough for the process to take 2 or even 3 more years, provided I see the FO making moves that seem to be part of a cohesive, shrewd PLAN. If I once again read about an acquisition or trade that leaves me scratching my head in disbelief...then I will know my darkest fear is coming to pass: this great and proud franchise I have loved almost more than I do myself is rudderless, led by a megalomaniac who cannot learn how not to micro-manage his team into the ground, and assembled by a simpleton who exists only to say "yes" to his lord and master.

God I hope that isn't the case. For now I will continue to believe it is not, and hope for the best. Just as I hope the rest of you will.

Cheers

Hail -

[(d)oink]

Even Joe Theismann says that Joe Gibbs would never have allowed Vinny C. to draft the guys he did in the 08 draft because he was stubborn and had full control.

Another uninformed post from you.

EVEN Joe Gibbs HIMSELF said that drafting through his tenure was a three-way operation as indicated in the post you seem to consider "bull". But with your reputation as a poster in shambles in this board, Danny and Vinny are well served with your support.

Hey RIC, please stay in good standing "in this board" so I can believe everything you say.

[SoulDOut]

i *HOPE* we can somehow land the Tuna Parcells for VP/GM, as it seems that it might be the 'fastest' way to fix our team right now....

[RayNAustin]

This 2-6 finish was highly disappointing given the 6-2 start and the caliber of those first 8 opponents. I really expected at least a 500 split, 4-4 or maybe even 5-3 in the final 8, which would have been good enough for post season play. But the problems really started brewing back at week 6, losing to the Rams, and week 7 struggles with the Browns were a sign of trouble ahead in retrospect.

It really looked, after week 5, that Jason Campbell had turned a corner and would finally start showing consistency and demonstrate why he was so coveted by the team. As it turned out, that was not the case, and JC became the same old JC who just doesn't seem to be able to find the end zone, or make those two or three big plays per game that separate the winners from the losers.

Yes, there are obvious o-line issues, though superior play at the QB position would have mitigated that to a great degree, and this team does have far more weapons than the paltry offensive production would suggest.

Rookie play calling played a roll, and so did perpetual mediocre performance of the QB. No way should this team have lost to the Rams, Bengals and 49ers.

With the relative strength in the NFC east, we'd all better hope that management and coach figure out what John Riggins has concluded in the post season radio broadcast....Jason Campbell is at best, a backup QB and not the answer to the Redskins need for a premier starter in this league.

Yes, he's got a good completion % and low int number, but that's not hard to achieve with the short passing game. His TD's are way low (13) in a full 16 game season....bottom 3rd of the league, and that's not going to cut it in the NFC East, and neither are the Redskins so long as Campbell is driving the bus.