DEHog wrote: I think he's better at SS ... I want a big playmaking FS and LaRon to move back to SS
I also really like Landry but I also think that he will be more of an asset if we have him playing Strong Safety - this guy is incredibly talented and I think we would be better served to have him playing closer to the line in 2009
I understand that our secondary this year needed him back there but we have Hall now (Hall needs to get paid big bucks to ensure he is leading our CBs next year) and we either make Springs the FS or find someone to play back there - Landry is too good a SS to have him playing in our secondary
This guy has fantastic ability and we need him playing SS where he has a lot more opportunity to b e devastating.
You don't hear Landry's name a lot because he plays so deep and lets Horton reek havoc near the line. It's a lot like it was with Taylor, who started to make more plays when he got more comfortable in the defense. I'm hoping Laron can stay at free and realize when he's got the green light to go make a play as he gets more comfortable with the system. I think that will happen. If you notice, the skins don't give up a lot of deep passes. A lot of that is because we have had nasty Free Safeties lately.
We've had this discussion before about LL as FS. You don't hear his name b/c he's an intimidating factor at center field. Case in point, the OP of this thread. I don't care if I hear his name but 1x for the whole season. He's back there doing his job intimidating the Jacksons and QBs of the game. That's what I FS SHOULD do and I think Landry and his 4.3 speed needs to be there. If Kareem comes around like people say, there's nothing wrong with playing 3 safeties. The more successful packages you can employ, the harder it is for the opposing offense to game plan.
I not buying that Vet...The FS should be your playmaker...Horton made more plays than Landry...This if Landry had been there!
You hear Reed, Dawking, Sanders, Polomolu, I this Landry could be our and would be talked about in the same breathe as Bob Sanders
The difference with our team and those teams you've pointed out is that they have a pass rush to make the QB make mistakes, giving the FS more opportunity. We don't have a pass rush, which gives LL mess opportunity. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but those guys mentioned have been in their position for more than a year. Many people believe LL will continue to get better at his position, just like ST improved at his.
I see your point Vet I just don't agree I just think LaRon is more Bob Sanders and less Ed Reed.
I'm not completely disagreeing with you either. I just like his headhunting out there knocking receivers out of their underoos with supersonic speed* as opposed to filling a gap.
I still fantasize about getting another true exceptional safety and having two 'interchangeable' safeties like Area 51. I don't think Horton can play FS well enough for that to work. Maybe Moore can sttep up? He looked pretty good from the little I've seen him lately. Even likes to hit a little bit.
*maybe a slight exxageration
I tell you Vet there's not a game that goes by where I don't think about how great Sean and LaRon were going to be together...it would have been so much fun to see them 4-5 years down the line....best ever?? We'll never know
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
I don't think counting on Springs to be your everyday FS is smart. He can't even stay healthy enough to play corner now...not sure how he'd stay healthy playing safety...
Maybe Laron would be a better SS, we don't know. However, it took Taylor a few years to get playing FS down to a science...and he really only took off last year. I think we'll see the same developmental arc out of Landry.
Right now, it's Horton and Landry. If we move Landry to SS (and spend next year developing him as a SS, again), then what do we do with Horton? It's a complete misuse of the talent we have.
PulpExposure wrote:I don't think counting on Springs to be your everyday FS is smart. He can't even stay healthy enough to play corner now...not sure how he'd stay healthy playing safety...
Maybe Laron would be a better SS, we don't know. However, it took Taylor a few years to get playing FS down to a science...and he really only took off last year. I think we'll see the same developmental arc out of Landry.
Right now, it's Horton and Landry. If we move Landry to SS (and spend next year developing him as a SS, again), then what do we do with Horton? It's a complete misuse of the talent we have.
We have to be content with what we have and give them what they need to shine.
Everyone wants S. Taylor 2.0 but it'll never happen, we're just fooling ourselvs. We got a good deal right now, lets put them in a position to flourish.
PulpExposure wrote:I don't think counting on Springs to be your everyday FS is smart. He can't even stay healthy enough to play corner now...not sure how he'd stay healthy playing safety...
Maybe Laron would be a better SS, we don't know. However, it took Taylor a few years to get playing FS down to a science...and he really only took off last year. I think we'll see the same developmental arc out of Landry.
Right now, it's Horton and Landry. If we move Landry to SS (and spend next year developing him as a SS, again), then what do we do with Horton? It's a complete misuse of the talent we have.
We have to be content with what we have and give them what they need to shine.
Everyone wants S. Taylor 2.0 but it'll never happen, we're just fooling ourselvs. We got a good deal right now, lets put them in a position to flourish.
I agree with that I just think Laron is an All-Pro as SS and a average FS we shall see??
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:I agree with that I just think Laron is an All-Pro as SS and a average FS we shall see??
I have the same concerns but I think he has shown that he's a monster back there but he's done so in flashes. I think to the SEA playoff game. It's not his fault, we don't have a pass rush. With a good rush we'll see what he's capable of.
Man how many years are we going to continue to say that???
Until they fix it... It greatly effects the play of the secondary. I give 2 examples.
NY and Dallas has horrific secondaries that are masked by awesome defensive fronts. If we had that rush paired up with our superior secondary, we'd be championship caliber.
I also think back to when everyone said Ray Lewis was washed up. He wasn't washed up, Baltimore didn't have a d-line to keep the offensive linemen off of Ray. What did they do? They drafted Ngata.... Wht happens to Ray? He's back to making plays.
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Man how many years are we going to continue to say that???
Until they fix it...
Would you go for a DE or a DT...my thinking is if we could get a pushed up the middle JT and Dre would be much better...
CHeck the post above u, I added more.
I'd got for DT. Our ends get around the edge but the QB can step up. We need help in both areas to be honest. I'd address DT 1st.
We need speed at DE. NONE of our DE's can chase down the most mediocre of QB's, that's embarrassing. They're getting beat to the edge!
I agree...I think JT looked his fastest this week..was he finally healthy??
Why not use Daniel on running dowm and JT on passing downs??
I listen to alot of BMore/Philly sports talk (that all I can pick up here in DE) and yea I'm shocked people in BMore even after the year Ray Ray has had are still saying he's washed up...did you see him get after Romo Sat. night!!!
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:I agree with that I just think Laron is an All-Pro as SS and a average FS we shall see??
I think he has all the makings of a great FS. You just can't gamble as much as a FS as you can at SS...if as a SS you whiff on a play, you always have the FS to clean up. If as a FS you whiff on a play...the end zone cleans up
And def we need to address the DT position. Much more than DE, where we're more than fine.
DEHog wrote:I agree with that I just think Laron is an All-Pro as SS and a average FS we shall see??
I think he has all the makings of a great FS. You just can't gamble as much as a FS as you can at SS...if as a SS you whiff on a play, you always have the FS to clean up. If as a FS you whiff on a play...the end zone cleans up
And def we need to address the DT position. Much more than DE, where we're more than fine.
We should have held on to Erasumus, IMO. I think I would have given him more time to heal and develop. We already paid for him, we might as well see how it works out going into the offseason. We have nothing to show for that pick now.
DEHog wrote:I agree with that I just think Laron is an All-Pro as SS and a average FS we shall see??
I think he has all the makings of a great FS. You just can't gamble as much as a FS as you can at SS...if as a SS you whiff on a play, you always have the FS to clean up. If as a FS you whiff on a play...the end zone cleans up
And def we need to address the DT position. Much more than DE, where we're more than fine.
We should have held on to Erasumus, IMO. I think I would have given him more time to heal and develop. We already paid for him, we might as well see how it works out going into the offseason. We have nothing to show for that pick now.
Well...it's not as if a 7th rounder is that much of a loss. Yeah, I know we drafted Horton, and he's turned out well...but our other 7th round picks this century have been: Rob Jackson, Tyler Ecker, Kili Lefotu, Kevin Simon, Nehemiah Broughton, Gibran Hamdan, Jeff Grau, Greg Scott, Rock Cartwright, Del Cowsette and Ethan Howell.
Aside from Rock Cartwright, the rest haven't stuck around at all. With Horton, I'd say we're due for another 4-5 years before a 7th rounder sticks with us anyways
DEHog wrote:I agree with that I just think Laron is an All-Pro as SS and a average FS we shall see??
I think he has all the makings of a great FS. You just can't gamble as much as a FS as you can at SS...if as a SS you whiff on a play, you always have the FS to clean up. If as a FS you whiff on a play...the end zone cleans up
And def we need to address the DT position. Much more than DE, where we're more than fine.
We should have held on to Erasumus, IMO. I think I would have given him more time to heal and develop. We already paid for him, we might as well see how it works out going into the offseason. We have nothing to show for that pick now.
Well...it's not as if a 7th rounder is that much of a loss. Yeah, I know we drafted Horton, and he's turned out well...but our other 7th round picks this century have been: Rob Jackson, Tyler Ecker, Kili Lefotu, Kevin Simon, Nehemiah Broughton, Gibran Hamdan, Jeff Grau, Greg Scott, Rock Cartwright, Del Cowsette and Ethan Howell.
Aside from Rock Cartwright, the rest haven't stuck around at all. With Horton, I'd say we're due for another 4-5 years before a 7th rounder sticks with us anyways
I liked what I saw form Rob Jackson. He had a nose fo rthe ball in pre-season and did decent for a late round draft pick the little he played this season. I wouldn't be suprised if we see more of him next year. Of course, I also claimed we'd see Mason more, too...
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VetSkinsFan wrote:I liked what I saw form Rob Jackson. He had a nose fo rthe ball in pre-season and did decent for a late round draft pick the little he played this season. I wouldn't be suprised if we see more of him next year. Of course, I also claimed we'd see Mason more, too...
1. Erasumus needs to come back.
2. All of our young guys need a good honest look at that position.
3. Mason should be brought back if available. But I don't want to derail this thread... I will say that he could take Cartrights spot at both RB and KR...
I understand that Landry has played well at FS and we can keep him there I just think we are missing his ability to be more of a disruption at the point of attack - this guy should be leading our defense soon and I hope that our coaches can find a way to have him playing at the FS position and also at the line on a lot of plays as nobody can get to the QB as well as this guy can - he will be incredible as our SS
I love the nickname 'Dirty Thirty' but I'd rather he have a rep as a hard hitter like Lott than a dirty player like Harrison
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I love the nickname 'Dirty Thirty' but I'd rather he have a rep as a hard hitter like Lott than a dirty player like Harrison
He's not a hard hitter like Lott and won't be. He's too small.
He'll be able to play closer to the LOS at the FS position IF we get a pass rush.
I don't know about the Luva Luva. #30 has 10 lbs and 2 inches on his Idol Ronnie Lott. Just give Landry a little more time....he's bound to put the hurt on many more opponents.
Ronnie Lott
Ronald Mandel Lott
Position: DB
Height: 6-0 Weight: 203 lbs.
Born: May 8, 1959 in Albuquerque, NM
College: USC
Inducted into Hall of Fame in 2000
10-time Pro Bowler & 6-time first-team All-Pro (fine print)
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LL Guy....
Position: Safety
Height: 6-2
Weight: 213
Born: 10/14/84
How Acquired: D1-07
Experience: 2
College: LSU
High School: Hahnville High School
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
SkinsJock wrote:I'd rather he have a rep as a hard hitter like Lott
He's not a hard hitter like Lott and won't be. He's too small.
He'll be able to play closer to the LOS at the FS position IF we get a pass rush.
We'll be able to come back to this in a couple of years
I predict we will have a pass rush and LL will be a force
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I love the nickname 'Dirty Thirty' but I'd rather he have a rep as a hard hitter like Lott than a dirty player like Harrison
He's not a hard hitter like Lott and won't be. He's too small.
He'll be able to play closer to the LOS at the FS position IF we get a pass rush.
I don't know about the Luva Luva. #30 has 10 lbs and 2 inches on his Idol Ronnie Lott. Just give Landry a little more time....he's bound to put the hurt on many more opponents.
Ronnie Lott Ronald Mandel Lott
Position: DB Height: 6-0 Weight: 203 lbs. Born: May 8, 1959 in Albuquerque, NM College: USC
Inducted into Hall of Fame in 2000
10-time Pro Bowler & 6-time first-team All-Pro (fine print)
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LL Guy....
Position: Safety Height: 6-2 Weight: 213 Born: 10/14/84 How Acquired: D1-07 Experience: 2 College: LSU High School: Hahnville High School
I'm 6'1 and I'm taller than Laron
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
aswas71788 wrote:I have been impressed by Landry. He has become one of the best Safeties, maybe the best, in the NFL,
I am really looking forward to the development of Chris Horton. Between the two of them, the Redskins should have the best safety tandem in the NFL history for years to come.
The Skins had the best saftey tandem last year.
With Horton comming on they will have an elite saftey team.
I hope our starting DBs next year are Landry, Horton, Rodgers & Hall, with Smoot in the nickle.
Yeah can you understand when healthy we'll have one of the most feared secondary tandem in the league. With a great pass rusher DE and run stopping DT we could have that Ravens Steelers type defense.
aswas71788 wrote:I have been impressed by Landry. He has become one of the best Safeties, maybe the best, in the NFL,
I am really looking forward to the development of Chris Horton. Between the two of them, the Redskins should have the best safety tandem in the NFL history for years to come.
The Skins had the best saftey tandem last year.
With Horton comming on they will have an elite saftey team.
I hope our starting DBs next year are Landry, Horton, Rodgers & Hall, with Smoot in the nickle.
Yeah can you understand when healthy we'll have one of the most feared secondary tandem in the league. With a great pass rusher DE and run stopping DT we could have that Ravens Steelers type defense.
Guy....
