brad7686 wrote:They don't get open deep anymore. When they do they drop it. They drop short passes too that kill drives. They get pushed out of all their routes. They can't go up and make a play or make a tough catch. Get em out. Others on this board have made me notice that you can't blame the entire offense for being terrible, you have to blame one thing. So i'm going with WR. We already have the Qb thread, so someone should start an O-line thread. And a play calling thread. Heck, maybe somebody thinks its the running game.
brad's been on fire lately...
Well, at least in a balanced criticism I agree with your perspective on the WRs. We probably aren't going to see a top-5 season from Moss ever again, and I'd be much happier if ARE and Thrash weren't taking up roster space next year. I love both players as members of a team and as people, but they will not help us get to a Superbowl next year IMO. ARE for his cap hit relative to production, and Thrash purely because of the roster spot.
I still don't really understand why Thrash is on the team...
brad7686 wrote:They don't get open deep anymore. When they do they drop it. They drop short passes too that kill drives. They get pushed out of all their routes. They can't go up and make a play or make a tough catch. Get em out. Others on this board have made me notice that you can't blame the entire offense for being terrible, you have to blame one thing. So i'm going with WR. We already have the Qb thread, so someone should start an O-line thread. And a play calling thread. Heck, maybe somebody thinks its the running game.
brad's been on fire lately...
Well, at least in a balanced criticism I agree with your perspective on the WRs. We probably aren't going to see a top-5 season from Moss ever again, and I'd be much happier if ARE and Thrash weren't taking up roster space next year. I love both players as members of a team and as people, but they will not help us get to a Superbowl next year IMO. ARE for his cap hit relative to production, and Thrash purely because of the roster spot.
I still don't really understand why Thrash is on the team...
Or, really, ARE. A lot of the upside in signing him originally was for punt and/or kickoff returns. But Rock is a better KR (although I'd like to see him gone next year too, most likely) and everyone knows about ARE's PR capabilities.
Let's put Moss on punt returns next year and not expect him to perform as the #1 and #2 receiver. Just lean on him less. He is no longer so valuable that we can't afford to have him on PRs, and from his few returns this year we can see how much of an improvement he'd be over ARE.
Bring along these other WRs for a couple of years but be ready to move on if they don't pick up their game. As with the d-line, what I'd really like to see with the WR position is progression over the next few years. Let's have turnover if needed, because our development thus far hasn't been impressive. I feel like we've been holding our breath with this combination of WRs hoping something would spark, but that's not going to happen.
brad7686 wrote:Drop stats are really pretty low. They only take into account obvious drops. Here is the NFC drops.
Calvin Johnson DET 15 9 T-2 Terrell Owens DAL 15 8 T-2 Roddy White ATL 15 8 T-4 Marques Colston NO 10 7 T-4 Rashied Davis CHI 15 7 T-4 Santana Moss WAS 15 7 T-4 Muhsin Muhammad CAR 15 7 T-8 Bernard Berrian MIN 15 6 T-8 Warrick Dunn TB 14 6 T-8 Madison Hedgecock NYG 15 6 T-8 Koren Robinson SEA 11 6 T-8 Steve Smith CAR 13 6 T-13 Reggie Bush NO 10 5 T-13 John Carlson SEA 15 5 T-13 Vernon Davis SF 15 5 T-13 Donald Driver GB 15 5 T-13 Bobby Engram SEA 12 5 T-13 Frank Gore SF 13 5 T-13 Amani Toomer NYG 15 5 T-13 Bobby Wade MIN 15 5 T-13 Jason Witten DAL 15 5
This whole thread is like ANY Bears discussion in......ooooh....20 years? And, looking at that list I see FIVE former/current Bears. No wonder I have deja vu....again.
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brad7686 wrote:They don't get open deep anymore. When they do they drop it. They drop short passes too that kill drives. They get pushed out of all their routes. They can't go up and make a play or make a tough catch. Get em out. Others on this board have made me notice that you can't blame the entire offense for being terrible, you have to blame one thing. So i'm going with WR. We already have the Qb thread, so someone should start an O-line thread. And a play calling thread. Heck, maybe somebody thinks its the running game.
brad's been on fire lately...
Well, at least in a balanced criticism I agree with your perspective on the WRs. We probably aren't going to see a top-5 season from Moss ever again, and I'd be much happier if ARE and Thrash weren't taking up roster space next year. I love both players as members of a team and as people, but they will not help us get to a Superbowl next year IMO. ARE for his cap hit relative to production, and Thrash purely because of the roster spot.
I still don't really understand why Thrash is on the team...
Or, really, ARE. A lot of the upside in signing him originally was for punt and/or kickoff returns. But Rock is a better KR (although I'd like to see him gone next year too, most likely) and everyone knows about ARE's PR capabilities.
Let's put Moss on punt returns next year and not expect him to perform as the #1 and #2 receiver. Just lean on him less. He is no longer so valuable that we can't afford to have him on PRs, and from his few returns this year we can see how much of an improvement he'd be over ARE.
Bring along these other WRs for a couple of years but be ready to move on if they don't pick up their game. As with the d-line, what I'd really like to see with the WR position is progression over the next few years. Let's have turnover if needed, because our development thus far hasn't been impressive. I feel like we've been holding our breath with this combination of WRs hoping something would spark, but that's not going to happen.
I agree with everything IB. Good to have you back here.
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brad7686 wrote:They don't get open deep anymore. When they do they drop it. They drop short passes too that kill drives. They get pushed out of all their routes. They can't go up and make a play or make a tough catch. Get em out. Others on this board have made me notice that you can't blame the entire offense for being terrible, you have to blame one thing. So i'm going with WR. We already have the Qb thread, so someone should start an O-line thread. And a play calling thread. Heck, maybe somebody thinks its the running game.
brad's been on fire lately...
Well, at least in a balanced criticism I agree with your perspective on the WRs. We probably aren't going to see a top-5 season from Moss ever again, and I'd be much happier if ARE and Thrash weren't taking up roster space next year. I love both players as members of a team and as people, but they will not help us get to a Superbowl next year IMO. ARE for his cap hit relative to production, and Thrash purely because of the roster spot.
I still don't really understand why Thrash is on the team...
Or, really, ARE. A lot of the upside in signing him originally was for punt and/or kickoff returns. But Rock is a better KR (although I'd like to see him gone next year too, most likely) and everyone knows about ARE's PR capabilities.
Let's put Moss on punt returns next year and not expect him to perform as the #1 and #2 receiver. Just lean on him less. He is no longer so valuable that we can't afford to have him on PRs, and from his few returns this year we can see how much of an improvement he'd be over ARE.
Bring along these other WRs for a couple of years but be ready to move on if they don't pick up their game. As with the d-line, what I'd really like to see with the WR position is progression over the next few years. Let's have turnover if needed, because our development thus far hasn't been impressive. I feel like we've been holding our breath with this combination of WRs hoping something would spark, but that's not going to happen.
I'm pleased i'm not the only one who doesn't think our receivers are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I was really becoming convinced that i was.
I was holding out hope even for Moss this offseason, thinking he still had a top year left in him. I've never really thought of ARE as a top prospect. I have to admit that I've been a little discouraged by what we've seen (and not seen) from our draft picks so far, but I'm willing to give that one time. . .
I hate to throw out some facts here, but ARE's best two seasons have bean this last two (look it up if you don'y believe me) AND there are only 12 teams were the #2 WR has more catches than him. That means there are 20 teams that ARE has out performed their #2 WR. As a matter of fact he has more catches than the Vikings, Raiders, Bears, C Hawks, and Titans #1 WR.
So while I agree we could upgrade at the #2 spot and ARE would be better off as a #3, lets not get crazy and start calling him a bum because the facts just don't support it.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:I hate to throw out some facts here, but ARE's best two seasons have bean this last two (look it up if you don'y believe me) AND there are only 12 teams were the #2 WR has more catches than him. That means there are 20 teams that ARE has out performed their #2 WR. As a matter of fact he has more catches than the Vikings, Raiders, Bears, C Hawks, and Titans #1 WR.
So while I agree we could upgrade at the #2 spot and ARE would be better off as a #3, lets not get crazy and start calling him a bum because the facts just don't support it.
I believe you, and that makes it even dumber that the team put up ridiculous money for a guy who hadn't proven he could even be a #2 receiver before he came here. He still drops a lot of balls, as does Moss.
skinsfan#33 wrote:I hate to throw out some facts here, but ARE's best two seasons have bean this last two (look it up if you don'y believe me) AND there are only 12 teams were the #2 WR has more catches than him. That means there are 20 teams that ARE has out performed their #2 WR. As a matter of fact he has more catches than the Vikings, Raiders, Bears, C Hawks, and Titans #1 WR.
So while I agree we could upgrade at the #2 spot and ARE would be better off as a #3, lets not get crazy and start calling him a bum because the facts just don't support it.
It's all about the $$$ in this case. If we were paying ARE like a #2 receiver (e.g., if he was a draft pick from a few years ago who started to shine) I'd be extremely happy with him. The problem is that his cap hit in '09 is the 8th biggest on the team—bigger than Clinton Portis,
No one is calling him a bum (except on punt returns ), but I think there's a point to be made about his production at WR and PR relative to his pay. NOT worth it, IMO.
(BTW: you "hate to throw out some facts here"? Why? Are you allergic or something? )
brad7686 wrote:More evidence that they drop too many passes today.
Mostly MOSS
After watching this chargers game, i think our WR's should be tutored by theirs on catching the ball. Incidentally, they have the fewest drops in the league and Rivers has the best Qb rating. Coincidence? I think not.
brad7686 wrote:More evidence that they drop too many passes today.
Mostly MOSS
After watching this chargers game, i think our WR's should be tutored by theirs on catching the ball. Incidentally, they have the fewest drops in the league and Rivers has the best Qb rating. Coincidence? I think not.
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<GASP> You mean to tell me that receivers catching (or not) the ball has a direct affect on the QB rating? Blasphemy!!!
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brad7686 wrote:More evidence that they drop too many passes today.
Mostly MOSS
After watching this chargers game, i think our WR's should be tutored by theirs on catching the ball. Incidentally, they have the fewest drops in the league and Rivers has the best Qb rating. Coincidence? I think not.
. <GASP> You mean to tell me that receivers catching (or not) the ball has a direct affect on the QB rating? Blasphemy!!!
I didn't see the game, was JC hanging him out to dry or was Moss just dropping passes?
brad7686 wrote:More evidence that they drop too many passes today.
Mostly MOSS
After watching this chargers game, i think our WR's should be tutored by theirs on catching the ball. Incidentally, they have the fewest drops in the league and Rivers has the best Qb rating. Coincidence? I think not.
. <GASP> You mean to tell me that receivers catching (or not) the ball has a direct affect on the QB rating? Blasphemy!!!
I didn't see the game, was JC hanging him out to dry or was Moss just dropping passes?
Both. Moss had a sure crossing route, right in the hands in stride...
He also had Moss at max vertical trying to get him killed.
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brad7686 wrote:More evidence that they drop too many passes today.
Mostly MOSS
After watching this chargers game, i think our WR's should be tutored by theirs on catching the ball. Incidentally, they have the fewest drops in the league and Rivers has the best Qb rating. Coincidence? I think not.
. <GASP> You mean to tell me that receivers catching (or not) the ball has a direct affect on the QB rating? Blasphemy!!!
I didn't see the game, was JC hanging him out to dry or was Moss just dropping passes?
Both. Moss had a sure crossing route, right in the hands in stride...
He also had Moss at max vertical trying to get him killed.
No, the other throw was ok too. Good receivers make that catch easily. He wasn't quite maxed out he just has no hands and he got hit and it fell out.
brad7686 wrote:More evidence that they drop too many passes today.
Mostly MOSS
After watching this chargers game, i think our WR's should be tutored by theirs on catching the ball. Incidentally, they have the fewest drops in the league and Rivers has the best Qb rating. Coincidence? I think not.
. <GASP> You mean to tell me that receivers catching (or not) the ball has a direct affect on the QB rating? Blasphemy!!!
I didn't see the game, was JC hanging him out to dry or was Moss just dropping passes?
Both. Moss had a sure crossing route, right in the hands in stride...
He also had Moss at max vertical trying to get him killed.
No, the other throw was ok too. Good receivers make that catch easily. He wasn't quite maxed out he just has no hands and he got hit and it fell out.
that was horribly inacurrate. Moss has overr a 1000 yds. recieving this year, he is not the problem. ARE started on a superbowl winning team.
We can get all the Wr's we want, but untill we get a good Qb, we won't have a good passing game.
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brad7686 wrote:More evidence that they drop too many passes today.
Mostly MOSS
After watching this chargers game, i think our WR's should be tutored by theirs on catching the ball. Incidentally, they have the fewest drops in the league and Rivers has the best Qb rating. Coincidence? I think not.
. <GASP> You mean to tell me that receivers catching (or not) the ball has a direct affect on the QB rating? Blasphemy!!!
I didn't see the game, was JC hanging him out to dry or was Moss just dropping passes?
Both. Moss had a sure crossing route, right in the hands in stride...
He also had Moss at max vertical trying to get him killed.
No, the other throw was ok too. Good receivers make that catch easily. He wasn't quite maxed out he just has no hands and he got hit and it fell out.
that was horribly inacurrate. Moss has overr a 1000 yds. recieving this year, he is not the problem. ARE started on a superbowl winning team.
We can get all the Wr's we want, but untill we get a good Qb, we won't have a good passing game.
1. Did you watch the game? Moss dropped at least 3 passes.
2. Big deal, ARE played on a championship team. He probably had less than 500 yards receiving that year. Real productive. People can say the same thing about Roethlisberger, but he's overrated too. The steelers win due to defense.
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brad7686 wrote:More evidence that they drop too many passes today.
Mostly MOSS
After watching this chargers game, i think our WR's should be tutored by theirs on catching the ball. Incidentally, they have the fewest drops in the league and Rivers has the best Qb rating. Coincidence? I think not.
. <GASP> You mean to tell me that receivers catching (or not) the ball has a direct affect on the QB rating? Blasphemy!!!
I didn't see the game, was JC hanging him out to dry or was Moss just dropping passes?
Both. Moss had a sure crossing route, right in the hands in stride...
He also had Moss at max vertical trying to get him killed.
No, the other throw was ok too. Good receivers make that catch easily. He wasn't quite maxed out he just has no hands and he got hit and it fell out.
that was horribly inacurrate. Moss has overr a 1000 yds. recieving this year, he is not the problem. ARE started on a superbowl winning team.
We can get all the Wr's we want, but untill we get a good Qb, we won't have a good passing game.
1. Did you watch the game? Moss dropped at least 3 passes.
2. Big deal, ARE played on a championship team. He probably had less than 500 yards receiving that year. Real productive. People can say the same thing about Roethlisberger, but he's overrated too. The steelers win due to defense.
Ask STeeler fans and they say he was productive they know more than you. Jason constantly over threw Moss all this year. In that game Jason threw balls at Randel El's feet. We went over this in the official Qb switch thread yes the one were you had nothing more to say, about how wrong you were. Get over it Jason sucks. Ben is twice the Qb Jason will ever be. Lets see how many Qb's had the Steelers had since Bradshaw left, but only one, won the superbowl. Big Ben is one of the best Qb's in football.
I have question for any Steelers fan looking at this, do you think Big Ben sucks?
Jason Campbell better than Big Ben hold on
You really think JC is a way better Qb than Big Ben
This shows how valid your opinion is.
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