Official QB switch? Thread

[markshark84]

After reading bits and pieces of this thread, it appears from other posters that what we need to do for JC to succeed is get stud receivers, a great OL, and two solid RBs. Hate to break it to you, but any NFL QB can succeed with those things. A good to great QB makes things happen regardless of the OL, WR, or RB situation. JC doesn't. He has enough people around him on this team to makes some plays --- maybe even lead the team to score more than 8 points per game over the past 5 games. That fact alone makes me believe we should move on. He is just not that good. I'd make next year an open competition.

What do you think that Pats would want for Cassell?

[SoulDOut]

wouldnt get Cassell. He wont have a O-line or Randy Moss to catch the balls :p

now if we could somehow snatch the OLinemen from the Pats...

[markshark84]

wouldnt get Cassell. He wont have a O-line or Randy Moss to catch the balls :p

now if we could somehow snatch the OLinemen from the Pats...

Not too sure about that. Cassell has been sacked 10 more times than JC has this season.....but miraculously Cassell has had a decent season. Interesting he has been able to make things happen regardless of his line woes (and the fact that he has more rushing attempts than JC -- indicating additional scrambles from poor pass protection). In all fairness his numbers are similar to JCs, but then again JCs QB rating is only salvagable due to his first half numbers. Take those away and JC is looking at something in the range of 70.

And as far as Randy Moss, Santana's numbers are comparable. Offset Welker and ey and you have comparable matchups.

Our running game is also very similar to theirs in terms of total yards and average yards per carry.

[John Manfreda]

JC has been in the league for 4 years. I have never seen a great Qb act like a perpetual student. The wco, ISN'T ENTIRELY NEW TO HIM, he ran this his senior year at Auburn, SO HE IS NOT LEARNING A BRAND NEW SYSTEM. He should be leading his players and keeping morale up, something leaders do, that JC does not. Cut our losses lets see what Colt can do, and this off season we should look for a new Qb, not named JC.

[John Manfreda]

speaking of the Pats, I want to bring up another point to people that say JC does not have the players around him to be successful. Tom Brady won three superbowls with a Wr core that didn't have a Wr over 5'11 (sound firmilar)
Antonie Smith as a Rb for two of them and Corey Dillion for the third.
His line wasn't all that good, thats why they had no running game and all their passes were short routes. But somehow Tom Brady led his team to three superbowls.
I am not saying that JC should be leading this team to superbowls but his cast is good enough to have a servicable offense and not a dismal one. Tom Brady won three superbowls with less talent on offense, JC should at least be leading this team to at least a servicable offense. Last year showed that while Collins may not be the solution, but JC was a big problem and we needed better Qb play more than anything else.

[TeeterSalad]

Ever hear JC call an audible at the line of scimmage??? Ever hear JC make a peep at the line of scrimmage??

...just another quality a team leading QB should have.

[SkinsJock]

It's Friday and I'm waiting for the snow

I'm not sure that Brennan gives us the best chance to win this game this week but I would also not be surprised to see a change happen if we do not do well offensively.

this off season we are going to have to decide who is going to play QB for this team because Campbell has shown that while he is a good QB he is not very special.

We have a good defense and should not be in this situation.

[SkinsFreak]

Ever hear JC call an audible at the line of scimmage??? Ever hear JC make a peep at the line of scrimmage??

...just another quality a team leading QB should have.

Yes... I have. You haven't? Since you haven't, does that mean it hasn't happened?

Here's one example...

And yet, Zorn sees signs that Campbell is improving in that part of the game.

From last Sunday’s game against Dallas, Zorn pointed to two audibles at the line of scrimmage that aided the Redskins’ offense.

One was a quarterback draw that allowed Campbell to run up the middle for 22 yards. The other was a sweep play to Clinton Portis that resulted in 20-yard run around right end.

“He had to call his own number on that QB draw,” Zorn said. “He waited for it, he waited for it, and he got it. Some guys will just freeze in that situation--‘I know it should happen, I know I should call it’--but they don’t. Jason did.

“That’s why we’re continuing to improve. Jason is doing what we are preparing him to do.”

[PulpExposure]

Ever hear JC call an audible at the line of scimmage??? Ever hear JC make a peep at the line of scrimmage??

...just another quality a team leading QB should have.

Yes... I have. You haven't? Since you haven't, does that mean it hasn't happened?

Here's one example...

And yet, Zorn sees signs that Campbell is improving in that part of the game.

From last Sunday’s game against Dallas, Zorn pointed to two audibles at the line of scrimmage that aided the Redskins’ offense.

One was a quarterback draw that allowed Campbell to run up the middle for 22 yards. The other was a sweep play to Clinton Portis that resulted in 20-yard run around right end.

“He had to call his own number on that QB draw,” Zorn said. “He waited for it, he waited for it, and he got it. Some guys will just freeze in that situation--‘I know it should happen, I know I should call it’--but they don’t. Jason did.

“That’s why we’re continuing to improve. Jason is doing what we are preparing him to do.”

Hmm. Trust words out of Zorn's mouth, or teetersalad's hyperbole.

That's a tough one!

[SkinsFreak]

Ever hear JC call an audible at the line of scimmage??? Ever hear JC make a peep at the line of scrimmage??

...just another quality a team leading QB should have.

Yes... I have. You haven't? Since you haven't, does that mean it hasn't happened?

Here's one example...

And yet, Zorn sees signs that Campbell is improving in that part of the game.

From last Sunday’s game against Dallas, Zorn pointed to two audibles at the line of scrimmage that aided the Redskins’ offense.

One was a quarterback draw that allowed Campbell to run up the middle for 22 yards. The other was a sweep play to Clinton Portis that resulted in 20-yard run around right end.

“He had to call his own number on that QB draw,” Zorn said. “He waited for it, he waited for it, and he got it. Some guys will just freeze in that situation--‘I know it should happen, I know I should call it’--but they don’t. Jason did.

“That’s why we’re continuing to improve. Jason is doing what we are preparing him to do.”

Hmm. Trust words out of Zorn's mouth, or teetersalad's hyperbole.

That's a tough one!

And really, that's a big problem around here. Several posters constantly spit out garbage that's nothing more than speculation, hyperbole and inaccurate falsehoods. Just a little reading and research would help, but I guess it's easier to just spit this garbage out and hope it sticks. It sucks that you constantly have to follow them around contradicting their garbage by posting factual information supported by stats and direct quotes from those professionals who have the facts and know the truth. [/rant]

[markshark84]

Ever hear JC call an audible at the line of scimmage??? Ever hear JC make a peep at the line of scrimmage??

...just another quality a team leading QB should have.

Yes... I have. You haven't? Since you haven't, does that mean it hasn't happened?

Here's one example...

And yet, Zorn sees signs that Campbell is improving in that part of the game.

From last Sunday’s game against Dallas, Zorn pointed to two audibles at the line of scrimmage that aided the Redskins’ offense.

One was a quarterback draw that allowed Campbell to run up the middle for 22 yards. The other was a sweep play to Clinton Portis that resulted in 20-yard run around right end.

“He had to call his own number on that QB draw,” Zorn said. “He waited for it, he waited for it, and he got it. Some guys will just freeze in that situation--‘I know it should happen, I know I should call it’--but they don’t. Jason did.

“That’s why we’re continuing to improve. Jason is doing what we are preparing him to do.”

Hmm. Trust words out of Zorn's mouth, or teetersalad's hyperbole.

That's a tough one!

And really, that's a big problem around here. Several posters constantly spit out garbage that's nothing more than speculation, hyperbole and inaccurate falsehoods. Just a little reading and research would help, but I guess it's easier to just spit this garbage out and hope it sticks. It sucks that you constantly have to follow them around contradicting their garbage by posting factual information supported by stats and direct quotes from those professionals who have the facts and know the truth. [/rant]

I understand, but it doesn't take away from the fact that JC is not a leader. Does he call audibles? -- yes, as you found support for. Is JC a leader (which was what the previous poster was trying to point out) -- no, he is not.

[Fios]

Ever hear JC call an audible at the line of scimmage??? Ever hear JC make a peep at the line of scrimmage??

...just another quality a team leading QB should have.

Yes... I have. You haven't? Since you haven't, does that mean it hasn't happened?

Here's one example...

And yet, Zorn sees signs that Campbell is improving in that part of the game.

From last Sunday’s game against Dallas, Zorn pointed to two audibles at the line of scrimmage that aided the Redskins’ offense.

One was a quarterback draw that allowed Campbell to run up the middle for 22 yards. The other was a sweep play to Clinton Portis that resulted in 20-yard run around right end.

“He had to call his own number on that QB draw,” Zorn said. “He waited for it, he waited for it, and he got it. Some guys will just freeze in that situation--‘I know it should happen, I know I should call it’--but they don’t. Jason did.

“That’s why we’re continuing to improve. Jason is doing what we are preparing him to do.”

Hmm. Trust words out of Zorn's mouth, or teetersalad's hyperbole.

That's a tough one!

And really, that's a big problem around here. Several posters constantly spit out garbage that's nothing more than speculation, hyperbole and inaccurate falsehoods. Just a little reading and research would help, but I guess it's easier to just spit this garbage out and hope it sticks. It sucks that you constantly have to follow them around contradicting their garbage by posting factual information supported by stats and direct quotes from those professionals who have the facts and know the truth. [/rant]

I understand, but it doesn't take away from the fact that JC is not a leader. Does he call audibles? -- yes, as you found support for. Is JC a leader (which was what the previous poster was trying to point out) -- no, he is not.

And what, pray tell, qualifies you to make that assesment?

[markshark84]

Ever hear JC call an audible at the line of scimmage??? Ever hear JC make a peep at the line of scrimmage??

...just another quality a team leading QB should have.

Yes... I have. You haven't? Since you haven't, does that mean it hasn't happened?

Here's one example...

And yet, Zorn sees signs that Campbell is improving in that part of the game.

From last Sunday’s game against Dallas, Zorn pointed to two audibles at the line of scrimmage that aided the Redskins’ offense.

One was a quarterback draw that allowed Campbell to run up the middle for 22 yards. The other was a sweep play to Clinton Portis that resulted in 20-yard run around right end.

“He had to call his own number on that QB draw,” Zorn said. “He waited for it, he waited for it, and he got it. Some guys will just freeze in that situation--‘I know it should happen, I know I should call it’--but they don’t. Jason did.

“That’s why we’re continuing to improve. Jason is doing what we are preparing him to do.”

Hmm. Trust words out of Zorn's mouth, or teetersalad's hyperbole.

That's a tough one!

And really, that's a big problem around here. Several posters constantly spit out garbage that's nothing more than speculation, hyperbole and inaccurate falsehoods. Just a little reading and research would help, but I guess it's easier to just spit this garbage out and hope it sticks. It sucks that you constantly have to follow them around contradicting their garbage by posting factual information supported by stats and direct quotes from those professionals who have the facts and know the truth. [/rant]

I understand, but it doesn't take away from the fact that JC is not a leader. Does he call audibles? -- yes, as you found support for. Is JC a leader (which was what the previous poster was trying to point out) -- no, he is not.

And what, pray tell, qualifies you to make that assesment?

What qualifies me to the statement? What qualifies you or at least you to question the statement? What qualifies any of us to either state or question? I must have misunderstood what a messageboard was. Is this only a place permitted for NFL coaches and other pro football analysists? Then again, it doesn't take a football guru to identify a leader. So I have no idea where you get off saying that my or your assessment is worth any more than the other.

But in reality, I think that his body of work speaks for itself. Not only that but his general emotion or appearance on the sidelines.

In reality, do you think he is a leader? Do you? Do you think he has displayed the characteristics of a true leader? Can you really sit here and say that with full certainty in your heart?

I really cannot think back to any point in his career when JC came in and "lead" his team. Has he had 4th quarter comebacks ---- only a couple, but he has. Were they all on him like the Montana's or Favre's or Manning's --- no way. Did he take the team on his shoulders and win --- no way. He's not like that. It isn't a knock on him personally, but it is a knock on his ability to lead a good team.

[PulpExposure]

I understand, but it doesn't take away from the fact that JC is not a leader. Does he call audibles? -- yes, as you found support for. Is JC a leader (which was what the previous poster was trying to point out) -- no, he is not.

And what, pray tell, qualifies you to make that assesment?

Because he's markshark84, Fios.

Never mind that the players think he's a leader:

This is shaping up to be one of those weeks in which we end up talking a ton about the quarterback even though there are a bevy of more pressing issues.

Many of Jason Campbell's teammates are being asked about his leadership skills, whether he has "it" - you know, that magic intangible that determines whether a dude turns out like John Elway or Gary Hogeboom. Even in private chats with players, I haven't heard anyone doubt Campbell's ability to perform or command a huddle or lead a team.

"It's the leadership in practice and leadership in the huddle," Antwaan Randle El said. "He does what you would expect out of your quarterback. Most quarterbacks do what people expect them to do as a quarterback. But some have that extra edge like Jason has, in terms of being able to get out of the pocket and making plays. That extra edge in terms of when things are down keeping everybody upbeat and those things, and just making sure we're going in the right direction.

"And I think that's what he's doing. Again, it's not all on him, but the perception is always going to be that he's the lightning rod, and the quarterback will be attacked more than anybody."

If anybody in that locker room truly believed that Todd Collins gives this team a better chance at winning, I'd report it. But this is seen from within as Campbell's team, with the noise coming from outside.

But while LaCanboreya has private interviews with players, and he could not find a single player, not one to say, on-the-record or off-the record, that Campbell isn't the leader...markshark84 knows differently.

[prinzeofmoval]

switching to Collins makes absolutely no sense to me, that move would do nothing for our immediate or long term future.

RIGHT..If it was about switching Qb it should be between Colt and Campbell. Collins in my eyes will do nothing for us now nor later. I was never sold on Campbell as a leader for this team. Colt might not be the winner we need as much as he'll be exciting to watch him air it out but Campbell loses out and it'll make for an interesting offseason.

[redskins14ru]

don't lose your lunch or anything but is cambell going to be an underacheiving QB even if he leaves the skins.

[Champsturf]

Can we just change the title of this thread to "Dumbest thread ever?"

[tribeofjudah]

what do you expect from Portiz-2-skins.......???

That's him in disguise......

[redskins14ru]

run away run away, okay I like the new name but for the time being lets stay focused on the progression of heath shulers career we might get him back. hey then smoot could even get a pick at practice!

[SkinsFreak]

Merged. We already have an existing Campbell thread. Please post all JC related comments here. Thanks.

[Champsturf]

Merged. We already have an existing Campbell thread. Please post all JC related comments here. Thanks.

Gee, thanks for merging. Now my post looks totally stupid.

[redskins14ru]

Patience is a key

[Champsturf]

Patience is a key

Do you mean "the" or is it a key to something?

[redskins14ru]

patience is the key, and cambell is good I would dare to say that with defeat comes great responsibilites and to see the skins this weekend and next make it into the playoffs and to be able to beat a couple of teams would be very realistic, after all the giants did not exactly kill the skins in the second game, and the sad fact about that is that the skins are almost going to need to be perfect but there are oppertunities there. With less mistakes droped passes the offense will be much better, and to keep the penaltys down, all normal football stuff.

[redskins14ru]

represent burgundy and gold, they spend bank on the team and I will give the owner and his little buddy vinny some credit but not much
tick tick they did okay especially with jason the old auburn QB
shhh wait until sunday,
congradulations to sellers and the rest of the all pro selections and support Mr. Cambell