Brian Mitchell on Philly radio

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:48 am

B. Mitch is on WIP 610 this morning here in Philly. Highlights include;

- he does not think Zorn can handle being the coach. He cites Moss not being yelled at by Zorn for shining his shoes in the Bengles game;

- the front office does not recognize tje true leaders like Rock and London. Instead they push the high paid "me" guys like Portis and Moss;

- the Skins don't have enough leaders to win Sunday versus the Eagles because the Skins will shut down if they are not getting their stats;

- he's never seen a supposed super star take himself out of a game as much as Portis.

There was some other stuff but I have to say I agreed even though the sportstalk guy were basically having orgasims over how far we've fallen.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:45 am

I agree with some of what he says but his obsession with Portis is tiresome, Mitchell is just angry he wasn't half the running back Portis is and he's blinded by that, his "analysis" of Portis is utterly worthless. And Rock? I mean what is the FO supposed to do? Throw a ton of money at a guy who is a very solid special teams player but little else? Brian likes to hear himself talk and he loves a reaction.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:51 am

Fios wrote:I agree with some of what he says but his obsession with Portis is tiresome, Mitchell is just angry he wasn't half the running back Portis is and he's blinded by that, his "analysis" of Portis is utterly worthless. And Rock? I mean what is the FO supposed to do? Throw a ton of money at a guy who is a very solid special teams player but little else? Brian likes to hear himself talk and he loves a reaction.

Riggins comes off as jealous too and that's not to say that they don't make valid points but they really sound jealous.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:58 am

Fios wrote:Brian likes to hear himself talk and he loves a reaction.

Agreed.

I also disagree about his comment that he doesn't think Zorn can handle being a coach. Just because Zorn didn't make a huge scene on sidelines with Moss, for the cameras and all the world to see, in no way means Moss wasn't reprimanded behind closed doors, as it should be handled. If Zorn had exploded on the sidelines, it just would have been another media frenzy attacking him. Brian does come off as being jealous and disgruntled.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:52 pm

Brian Mitchell -- I can almost guarantee this -- wants a bigger spotlight, either his own show or a larger role and he knows the ESPN talk radio mantra: say "controversial" things, say them very loudly and repeatedly: get a better paying gig. It's all self-serving PR painted as "hey, I'm just calling it like I see it."

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:54 pm

Fios wrote:Brian Mitchell -- I can almost guarantee this -- wants a bigger spotlight, either his own show or a larger role and he knows the ESPN talk radio mantra: say "controversial" things, say them very loudly and repeatedly: get a better paying gig. It's all self-serving PR painted as "hey, I'm just calling it like I see it."

Yeah, I pretty much feel the same way. I really like BMitch as a player for us, thought he put his whole heart on the field...but I feel he turned into a whiny bitch as a radio guy. Is some of his criticism valid? Absolutely. But it almost gets drowned out in his whining about other things (namely Portis).

It's tiresome. I know, I know, he's just "keepin' it real."

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:35 pm

Living in Philly I don't know these things about Mitchell. But he does come on here a lot because we play the Eagles twice and he was pretty loved by Eagle fans. Whenever I hear him speak he seems pro-Eagle and anti-Skins. I always chalked that up to The Danny running him out of town.

I agree with him about this Redskin team lacking character and heart - which is on the front office not the coach.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:52 pm

It's obvious that the negative fans would be more inclined to say that they can see some of the points from a media person who obviously is anti most things about the Redskins. If I think someone has an agenda that is not positive I then think that even things which he might be correct about are most likely thrown in to try and make people think that the BS he is espousing actually has some credibilty :lol:

There have been a number of ex players who are now sharing with us and for the most part the shame is they were, in some cases, very good football players but they are now showing that they are not very good people.

Sorry, but guys like Brian Mitchell offer nothing of value to me

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:07 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Riggins comes off as jealous too and that's not to say that they don't make valid points but they really sound jealous.

Riggins comes off as jealous of Portis? You could be right about him coming off that way on the radio, Chris. I just can't imagine what Riggins would be jealous of. He's a legend in DC , a Hall of Famer, and an NFL champion. Portis is a really good running back who hasn't won anything that I'm aware of.

I just wanted to chime in on this idea of Mitchell or Riggins being jealous of guys like Portis or Moss. Yeah, there might be some envy of the money, but I think they just don't respect Portis and Moss. Maybe they feel they haven't earned it, maybe they think they're a little soft.

Go out and win something, then maybe we'll all enjoy your stupid endzone shoeshine dance.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:23 pm

riggofan wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Riggins comes off as jealous too and that's not to say that they don't make valid points but they really sound jealous.

Riggins comes off as jealous of Portis? You could be right about him coming off that way on the radio, Chris. I just can't imagine what Riggins would be jealous of. He's a legend in DC , a Hall of Famer, and an NFL champion. Portis is a really good running back who hasn't won anything that I'm aware of.

I just wanted to chime in on this idea of Mitchell or Riggins being jealous of guys like Portis or Moss. Yeah, there might be some envy of the money, but I think they just don't respect Portis and Moss. Maybe they feel they haven't earned it, maybe they think they're a little soft.

Go out and win something, then maybe we'll all enjoy your stupid endzone shoeshine dance.

It's not even the money I think they're jealous of. Portis is ripping down Redskin records left and right. He's ripping down records behind a crappy offensive line. He's ripping down records without a passing game to compliment him. He's ripping down records despite all the turmoil within this organization.

They are jealous. It's that simple and you can hear it when they talk about him. I'm not saying that they make valid arguments against Portis's antics but you can here the jealousy in their tones and how they speak of CP.

Portis is doing all that despite being surrounded by utter crap. Portis will have eventually have HOF stats and if he was in a franchise with some sense of self-respect he'd have a ring too.

So ya'll might as well get mad now cus that's exactly how the heck I feel about it.

If you put Portis behind the REAL HOGS, he'd destroy John Riggins. If you put John behind the dirtdevils, he'd look like TJ Duckett.

SkinsJock wrote:It's obvious that the negative fans would be more inclined to say that they can see some of the points from a media person who obviously is anti most things about the Redskins. If I think someone has an agenda that is not positive I then think that even things which he might be correct about are most likely thrown in to try and make people think that the BS he is espousing actually has some credibilty

There have been a number of ex players who are now sharing with us and for the most part the shame is they were, in some cases, very good football players but they are now showing that they are not very good people.

Sorry, but guys like Brian Mitchell offer nothing of value to me

The delusional happy fans have Larry Michaels.

The delusional angry fans have B-Mitch.

What's the problem, its balanced?

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:33 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
riggofan wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Riggins comes off as jealous too and that's not to say that they don't make valid points but they really sound jealous.

Riggins comes off as jealous of Portis? You could be right about him coming off that way on the radio, Chris. I just can't imagine what Riggins would be jealous of. He's a legend in DC , a Hall of Famer, and an NFL champion. Portis is a really good running back who hasn't won anything that I'm aware of.

I just wanted to chime in on this idea of Mitchell or Riggins being jealous of guys like Portis or Moss. Yeah, there might be some envy of the money, but I think they just don't respect Portis and Moss. Maybe they feel they haven't earned it, maybe they think they're a little soft.

Go out and win something, then maybe we'll all enjoy your stupid endzone shoeshine dance.

It's not even the money I think they're jealous of. Portis is ripping down Redskin records left and right. He's ripping down records behind a crappy offensive line. He's ripping down records without a passing game to compliment him. He's ripping down records despite all the turmoil within this organization.

They are jealous. It's that simple and you can hear it when they talk about him. I'm not saying that they make valid arguments against Portis's antics but you can here the jealousy in their tones and how they speak of CP.

Portis is doing all that despite being surrounded by utter crap. Portis will have eventually have HOF stats and if he was in a franchise with some sense of self-respect he'd have a ring too.

So ya'll might as well get mad now cus that's exactly how the heck I feel about it.

If you put Portis behind the REAL HOGS, he'd destroy John Riggins. If you put John behind the dirtdevils, he'd look like TJ Duckett.

SkinsJock wrote:It's obvious that the negative fans would be more inclined to say that they can see some of the points from a media person who obviously is anti most things about the Redskins. If I think someone has an agenda that is not positive I then think that even things which he might be correct about are most likely thrown in to try and make people think that the BS he is espousing actually has some credibilty

There have been a number of ex players who are now sharing with us and for the most part the shame is they were, in some cases, very good football players but they are now showing that they are not very good people.

Sorry, but guys like Brian Mitchell offer nothing of value to me

The delusional happy fans have Larry Michaels.

The delusional angry fans have B-Mitch.

What's the problem, its balanced?

Maybe not quite as bluntly, but I do agree with CLL. All valid points about CP. Very well, if not very bluntly, put.

StetSports.com · Post by **StetSports.com** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:46 pm

Portis is a great back, and its unfortunate that jealous former Redskins make him themselves feel important by tearing him down.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:28 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:
Fios wrote:Brian likes to hear himself talk and he loves a reaction.

Agreed.

I also disagree about his comment that he doesn't think Zorn can handle being a coach. Just because Zorn didn't make a huge scene on sidelines with Moss, for the cameras and all the world to see, in no way means Moss wasn't reprimanded behind closed doors, as it should be handled. If Zorn had exploded on the sidelines, it just would have been another media frenzy attacking him. Brian does come off as being jealous and disgruntled.

You may be right and mostly i agree. but if i was head Coach when Moss did that? he would have been benched right then and there. Sometimes you have to make a statement to your tema what kind of character gets awarded and what type of actions won't fly. You think Parcells would have stayed quiet if one of his players cost him 15 yards while behind in a game JUST as the team finally did something positive to gain momentum? What Moss did was a picture perfect example of why this team loses.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:56 pm

fleetus wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
Fios wrote:Brian likes to hear himself talk and he loves a reaction.

Agreed.

I also disagree about his comment that he doesn't think Zorn can handle being a coach. Just because Zorn didn't make a huge scene on sidelines with Moss, for the cameras and all the world to see, in no way means Moss wasn't reprimanded behind closed doors, as it should be handled. If Zorn had exploded on the sidelines, it just would have been another media frenzy attacking him. Brian does come off as being jealous and disgruntled.

You may be right and mostly i agree. but if i was head Coach when Moss did that? he would have been benched right then and there. Sometimes you have to make a statement to your tema what kind of character gets awarded and what type of actions won't fly. You think Parcells would have stayed quiet if one of his players cost him 15 yards while behind in a game JUST as the team finally did something positive to gain momentum? What Moss did was a picture perfect example of why this team loses.

Eh.. he was in the endzone with the ball. I was taught that was a touchdown. Touchdowns are not why we lose.. it's the lack of.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:33 pm

Have to agree with B. Mitch.

His assesment of Portis and Moss is valid. Both have inmense talent but are egocentric and camera-driven. With Zorn, these traits have flourished, while they remained generally subdued with the extraordinary Gibbs.

B. Mitch played in a lot of bad teams with the Skins and refrained, as far as I can remember, form blasting his teammates and coaches.

He definetly has some good points.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:33 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If you put Portis behind the REAL HOGS, he'd destroy John Riggins. If you put John behind the dirtdevils, he'd look like TJ Duckett.

I'm not sure about that. Plus...Riggins actually broke runs longer than 30 yards, even when he was old as dirt... :wink:

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:44 pm

PulpExposure wrote:I'm not sure about that. Plus...Riggins actually broke runs longer than 30 yards, even when he was old as dirt...

Portis would still be doing it if he was in a system that actually fit his body type and wasn't whored out due to the ineptitude of the passing for the past 4 years. :wink:

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:48 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:I'm not sure about that. Plus...Riggins actually broke runs longer than 30 yards, even when he was old as dirt...

Portis would still be doing it if he was in a system that actually fit his body type and wasn't whored out due to the ineptitude of the passing for the past 4 years.

As hard as Portis runs, Riggins carried the ball in a similar system, and took on much more punishment. Yet he still actually broke runs. At age 36...he broke a 50 yarder. I'm not sure if you watched Riggins play (you are likely too young), but he was more physical than Portis...and that says alot. Riggins actually would seek out contact and then would run the guy right over.

It's completely amazing to me that Portis appears to have no speed left anymore. I have absolutely no faith that he can break a run past 30 yards ever again.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:56 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:I'm not sure about that. Plus...Riggins actually broke runs longer than 30 yards, even when he was old as dirt...

Portis would still be doing it if he was in a system that actually fit his body type and wasn't whored out due to the ineptitude of the passing for the past 4 years.

As hard as Portis runs, Riggins carried the ball in a similar system, and took on much more punishment. Yet he still actually broke runs. At age 36...he broke a 50 yarder. I'm not sure if you watched Riggins play (you are likely too young), but he was more physical than Portis...and that says alot. Riggins actually would seek out contact and then would run the guy right over.

It's completely amazing to me that Portis appears to have no speed left anymore. I have absolutely no faith that he can break a run past 30 yards ever again.

I don't find it impressive that Riggins was more physical... He was a power running back. Clinton Portis IS NOT a power back. He was forced into that role by Joe Gibbs. Clinton should still be in Denver making Landanian Tomlinson his man-whore.

The fact that Portis is running in a system that doesn't fit his body type and is knocking down records says volumes to me. The fact that he was up to the challenge and has carried this team says volumes to me.

I don't care what Riggins did at any age, look at the line he had. Emmit had a monster line too. Portis has the dirtbags.

If you put Portis behind the Hogs, he'd break those runs too. It's not even debatable.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:30 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If you put Portis behind the Hogs, he'd break those runs too. It's not even debatable.

My point didn't involve the lines. Hell, Barry Sanders ran behind an awful offensive line, but still broke long runs nearly every game.

My point is Clinton has an impressive burst through the hole, and ZERO top speed anymore. Great line or not...if you don't have any speed, you aren't breaking runs.

Dude is powerful (now), quick...but he has no speed.

With him (and I really do love Portis as a RB for us, and think we're lucky to have him), and for everything great he does...our running offense with him has no threat to do anything except pound the ball. There's not even the single small hint of him breaking a long run for a touchdown. And that's been proven true, as he hasn't broken a long TD...since his first carry as a Redskin. His longest run in the past three years is 38 yards.

Seriously, that's as long a run as Trung Canidate managed in one year in Spurrier's offense. In other words...pathetic.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:55 pm

That's interesting, in that I agree Portis appears to have lost his top end speed. Good burst, but no 2nd gear for break away speed after he gets in the clear.

But wasn't Portis the guy who almost tied LaRon Landry in a 40 yard dash just a few months ago? The injuries must be taken their toll. Does this mean it may be time to draft a RB to groom for the future? :lol:

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:02 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:But wasn't Portis the guy who almost tied LaRon Landry in a 40 yard dash just a few months ago?

I know, it doesn't make sense. But he is no threat for a breakaway, and really hasn't been a big-play guy as a Redskin.

The injuries must be taken their toll. Does this mean it may be time to draft a RB to groom for the future?

Let's use our 2nd round pick! Oh....wait....

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:26 pm

kingfish51 · Post by **kingfish51** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:39 pm

riggofan wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Riggins comes off as jealous too and that's not to say that they don't make valid points but they really sound jealous.

Riggins comes off as jealous of Portis? You could be right about him coming off that way on the radio, Chris. I just can't imagine what Riggins would be jealous of. He's a legend in DC , a Hall of Famer, and an NFL champion. Portis is a really good running back who hasn't won anything that I'm aware of.

I just wanted to chime in on this idea of Mitchell or Riggins being jealous of guys like Portis or Moss. Yeah, there might be some envy of the money, but I think they just don't respect Portis and Moss. Maybe they feel they haven't earned it, maybe they think they're a little soft.

Go out and win something, then maybe we'll all enjoy your stupid endzone shoeshine dance.

I couldn't have said it any better than that. Jealous of 2 guys that more than likely will never win a Super Bowl or even get in the Hall of Fame? I don't think so

Wahoo McDaniels · Post by **Wahoo McDaniels** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:50 pm

As much as I loved BMitch as a player, I can't stand him as a talking head. This latest phone call is about as self serving as you can get. What's "me first" about Clinton Portis? He blocks hard, plays hurt, he has the 3rd most rushes and yards in the NFL...what about this screams "soft", "me first" or "takes himself out too much".

Apparently a guy who had to play a total of 5 maybe 6 plays a game may not know what's it like to be winded or banged up after touching the ball 30-35 times and getting hit by interior lineman.

I tend to dismiss anything he says now because he's more "me first" than anybody on the Skins.