Cerrato Explains Why the Skins Don't Draft Linemen

[PulpExposure]

Again somebody please tell me who we have drafted or sighed for that matter that is a prennail all-pro and will be talk about as a HOFer. Please don’t go to and search it should be common knowledge to any Skins fan. There are only two…The late great Sean Taylor who quite frankly IMO we don’t contribute enough of our problems to his passing. The is Champ Bailey.

I can think of a two other draft picks that panned out well. Chris Samuels has worked out well, and Chris ey was a great pickup in the 3rd round.

When you look back at our draft history, we've actually drafted okay (especially when you take into account how often we change coaches/systems). However, our critical failure has been trading draft picks away.

Cerrato may have been wrong on the stats on Merling, but the guy isn't playing in Miami. He's right in that Merling (remember, we only could have gotten him with our 1st round pick, meaning it would have been Merling and Kelly/Davis instead of three players - Thomas was snagged with the Falcon's 2nd rounder-) isn't producing a whole lot for the Dolphins.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I can think of a two other draft picks that panned out well. Chris Samuels has worked out well, and Chris ey was a great pickup in the 3rd round.

Agreed.

When you look back at our draft history, we've actually drafted okay (especially when you take into account how often we change coaches/systems). However, our critical failure has been trading draft picks away.

And those picks are our depth and we are all tired of it.

[Redskin in Canada]

This has been discussed 1,954,454,307 times.

Too bad it does not sink in in the Front Office, eh?

Over the past decade, the lack of drafting for both lines has been neglected and I think EVERYONE agrees on that. However, this past draft held a different set of circumstances. There was a deep run on linemen in the 1st round. We traded back for more picks, the right choice. There wasn't any top tier linemen left to be had.

So, let me READ your point again and try to rationalise it:

Yes over the LAST DECADE the lines have been neglected and ...

... it is alright because the last Draft had special circumstances???

WHAT? You mean to say that a DECADE of NEGLECT in the Draft and equally importantly in the FREE AGENCY is alright because ...

there were special circumstances in tyhe LAST Draft???

Man, man, man, I really wish to discuss the issue. I really have been patient with those who do not see the light.

I am just gonna tell you ONE THING:

OVERALL you and I would have been fired from any job with the kind of performance that Vinny "the YES Man" has had during his tenure with us.

How difficult is it to SEE the living proof that LEADERSHIP starts at the top? Atlanta ??? Miami anybody ??? I would give almost anything for the Mara family or the Steelers ownership. It starts at the TOP.

You guys make all the excuses you want for Vinny. In fact you do not need to, the only PASS he needs to get is from the ONE man who is the DECIDER: Dan Snyder. And they are psychologically dependent on one another. Somehow, the Danny feels naked without Vinny.

[DEHog]

Oh, my bad. I forgot that NFL players have an endless shelf life. What was I thinking?

Seriously, what linemen was available in the 2nd round last year that would've made the difference for this team and was of better value? Because I've already agreed, several times, regarding the neglect over the past decade, but I'm referring to this years draft. Please, enlighten us.

You're just mad cus your homeboy Vinny is an idiot. It's not even debateable at this point and any defense of him is laughable.

You keep defending last year... Forget about last year for one second and look at the entire picture. That's why he's an idiot.

Now if you wanna focus on last year, Vinny is an idiot for his gross ignorance of Merlings stats when trying to make himself not look like a dummy for not getting him.

Yes, we needed a tall WR but did we really need two in 1 draft? Did we need an extra TE? NO cus they have NOT played. We coulda got one and possibly got Merling too.

And add to it that he is giving Kelly, Thomas and Davis the benefit of waiting til the future does Merling get the same benefit

[DEHog]

Again somebody please tell me who we have drafted or sighed for that matter that is a prennail all-pro and will be talk about as a HOFer. Please don’t go to and search it should be common knowledge to any Skins fan. There are only two…The late great Sean Taylor who quite frankly IMO we don’t contribute enough of our problems to his passing. The is Champ Bailey.

I can think of a two other draft picks that panned out well. Chris Samuels has worked out well, and Chris ey was a great pickup in the 3rd round.

When you look back at our draft history, we've actually drafted okay (especially when you take into account how often we change coaches/systems). However, our critical failure has been trading draft picks away.

Cerrato may have been wrong on the stats on Merling, but the guy isn't playing in Miami. He's right in that Merling (remember, we only could have gotten him with our 1st round pick, meaning it would have been Merling and Kelly/Davis instead of three players - Thomas was snagged with the Falcon's 2nd rounder-) isn't producing a whole lot for the Dolphins.

So you came up with 2...
We've done OK...WHAT!! I dare you to go look up the Eagles,Cowboys and Giants drafts over the period of the Snyder ownership and defend that comment with a straight face I did and it to ugly to even post!!

Merling not playing...Hmm and out three guys are sound to me while he hasn't played he contributed more to his team then our 3??

[Chris Luva Luva]

And add to it that he is giving Kelly, Thomas and Davis the benefit of waiting til the future does Merling get the same benefit

And don't think we aren't happy to have these guys or don't like them. I want them to succeed and was excited to have them when we drafted them. THat still doesn't excuse the fact that we are neglecting the core of both sides of the ball.

Just because fans loved the picks doesn't excuse Vinny for being a dummy. "Oh, the fans support it so Vinny gets a pass..." Look how that worked out for the Texans? Casserly drafted Mario to the distaste of the fanbase and resigned because of it... Now he's a genius....

Screw the fans! If Danny/Vinny loved the Skins they'd do wuts in the best interest of the onfield product and not their marketing division.

[DEHog]

Chris I was think of that as well they so wanted Reggie Bush and look at them now...you draft for the future you sign FA for the present...we've got it backwards!!

[Chris Luva Luva]

You guys make all the excuses you want for Vinny. In fact you do not need to, the only PASS he needs to get is from the ONE man who is the DECIDER: Dan Snyder. And they are psychologically dependent on one another. Somehow, the Danny feels naked without Vinny.

How dare you speak that way of a TRUE REDSKIN FAN?!?!?! DAN SNYDER LOVES EACH INDIVIDUAL FAN!!! His heart bleeds for us...

I almost want to slit my wrists after typing that.

[PulpExposure]

So you came up with 2...
We've done OK...WHAT!! I dare you to go look up the Eagles,Cowboys and Giants drafts over the period of the Snyder ownership and defend that comment with a straight face I did and it to ugly to even post!!

When looking solely at those players drafted who have become perennial all-pros with HoF mention (that's a very, very narrow criteria, as it ignores players drafted who are valuable to the team, such as Betts or Cartwright, or McIntosh, etc.):

Redskins have drafted Samuels, Taylor, and ey.

In the 2000 drafts and after, the Eagles drafted Westbrook. That's really the only guy I can say fits that criteria. Look at their history, it's totally conceivable I may have missed someone, though.

The Cowboys drafted DeMarcus Ware, and Jason Witten. Maybe you could include Terrance Newman in that group, but that's debatable (and Barber has 2 1000 yard rushing seasons, 1 pro bowl, but he doesn't seem to fit that perennial all-pro category yet).

The Giants have drafted Justin Tuck, Chris Snee, and Osi Umenyiora. You may be able to make an argument for Brandon Jacobs in the future, but not now...and maybe even Jeremy Shockey, much as it makes me vomit in my mouth to say that.

It seems we're pretty comparable to the rest of the NFC East, though you should look through each roster and maybe see where I might have missed someone.

Our drafting is decent (and notably, our first rounders lately have been quite solid)...we just don't have any damn draft picks. As CLL stated earlier, and as I was intimating, that's the major problem, because it robs you of the good young players who should be developing. To be honest, I blame a lot of that on Gibbs, who even in Gibbs I showed a tremendous distaste for the draft/preference for veterans (but was reigned in by Beathard, and later, Casserly). In my opinion, Cerrato (and Snyder) was too much of a wussbag to stop Gibbs' anti-draft tendencies, though.

[RedskinsFreak]

People defend this clown!?!?!

As one of Ron White's album titles so truthfully declares:

"You Can't Fix Stupid"

He's been given nine years (out of 10) worth of input into the personnel of this team -- with NO success.

With a franchise as storied as this, 'success' means holding up hardware and winning 'T-shirt games' (where they break open boxes and hand out T-shirts because you won some sort of championship).

The Redskins haven't even PLAYED in a 'T-shirt game' with a Cerrato-influenced roster.

[spenser]

I don't think that SkinsFreak was necessarily defending vinny, rather saying that LAST years draft was not bad, due to the fact that very soon we will need some receivers (tall ones), and another TE. WR's obviously take a few years to develop, so by drafting them last year, hopefully they will be ready to step up and pan out for us when we lose ARE and Thrash. I agree with this. now... don't go twisting my words and say Im defending vinny, or that I don't think he is an idiot. we HAVE neglected the lines, and vinny IS for the most part an idiot, in my opinion. But I agree with skinsfreak that we got better value, and hopefully solidified another posistion by getting 3 players in the 2nd, as opposed to 1 player who may or may not pan out....

[VetSkinsFan]

I don't think that SkinsFreak was necessarily defending vinny, rather saying that LAST years draft was not bad, due to the fact that very soon we will need some receivers (tall ones), and another TE. WR's obviously take a few years to develop, so by drafting them last year, hopefully they will be ready to step up and pan out for us when we lose ARE and Thrash. I agree with this. now... don't go twisting my words and say Im defending vinny, or that I don't think he is an idiot. we HAVE neglected the lines, and vinny IS for the most part an idiot, in my opinion. But I agree with skinsfreak that we got better value, and hopefully solidified another posistion by getting 3 players in the 2nd, as opposed to 1 player who may or may not pan out....

A back-up TE in the 2nd? I don't think that was really a smart move. ey's still got many years ahead of him and a back up TE can be found. That 2nd could have went somewhere else. The WRs,regardless if THESE TWO receivers work out, were necessary as we really only had 1 starting caliber receiver. Not that receiver was our most pressing need, but I see the logic conceding to the fact that there may not have been anyone more worthy.

I'm not debating other draft picks and I'm not hindsight assessing the who 1st and 2nd round possibilities in retrospect. So don't cut, paste, and disect b/c you're wasting your time; I won't respond.

[BurgundyandGoldfaith]

If we'd have drafted Merling or any DE in the first three rounds there is NO WAY they would only have seven tackles. Not on this team, and doesn't Merling play inside too? That's where the pain comes from, the top. Vinny can just say this type of BS and move on. The fans continually get thrown under the bus year after year and here we have poor, valiant Jim Zorn apologizing for this imbalanced fantasy football team as if he put all the cogs in place. Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato never take responsibility and it's absolutely disgraceful for the two of them to be completely silent at this point in such a critical juncture. No checks and balances, simple as that. Even if you hate Zorn you'd have to be self-destructive to want to change coaches after a year like this. So much went right, and when we were 6-2, someone said "Hey, they only run to cover up their weak protection so let's just hit the line of scrimmage" and "Hey, they only play run first because they can't collapse the pocket so let's run immediately to the ends" and just like that we were exposed. Zorn is brilliant to have gone so far with so little. I don't ever want to hear that Cerrato drafted T.O. again. Ever. At this point, it was blind luck

[Chris Luva Luva]

So don't cut, paste, and disect b/c you're wasting your time; I won't respond.

I really hate to see you guys like this.

[Sir_Monk]

speaking of drafting, did anyone else notice this from the Post today?

So, with this season falling apart and the Redskins' talent level putting them back where virtually everyone picked them - last in the NFC East - they should be ready to reload and stock up on picks again, right?

Well, notsofast. I checked with the team to verify the draft picks for April, as it presently stands.

The Skins only have four picks in the seven-round draft right now, and only two in the first four rounds. Now, they could make a trade to get a few, which would be unprecedented for them prior to a draft). They may get a very late compensatory pick or two awarded them, but nothing high enough to offset not having a second- or fourth-round pick (a round in which strong organizations routinely find longtime starters).

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... throu.html

[DEHog]

So you came up with 2...
We've done OK...WHAT!! I dare you to go look up the Eagles,Cowboys and Giants drafts over the period of the Snyder ownership and defend that comment with a straight face I did and it to ugly to even post!!

When looking solely at those players drafted who have become perennial all-pros with HoF mention (that's a very, very narrow criteria, as it ignores players drafted who are valuable to the team, such as Betts or Cartwright, or McIntosh, etc.):

Redskins have drafted Samuels, Taylor, and ey.

In the 2000 drafts and after, the Eagles drafted Westbrook. That's really the only guy I can say fits that criteria. Look at their history, it's totally conceivable I may have missed someone, though.

The Cowboys drafted DeMarcus Ware, and Jason Witten. Maybe you could include Terrance Newman in that group, but that's debatable (and Barber has 2 1000 yard rushing seasons, 1 pro bowl, but he doesn't seem to fit that perennial all-pro category yet).

The Giants have drafted Justin Tuck, Chris Snee, and Osi Umenyiora. You may be able to make an argument for Brandon Jacobs in the future, but not now...and maybe even Jeremy Shockey, much as it makes me vomit in my mouth to say that.

It seems we're pretty comparable to the rest of the NFC East, though you should look through each roster and maybe see where I might have missed someone.

Our drafting is decent (and notably, our first rounders lately have been quite solid)...we just don't have any damn draft picks. As CLL stated earlier, and as I was intimating, that's the major problem, because it robs you of the good young players who should be developing. To be honest, I blame a lot of that on Gibbs, who even in Gibbs I showed a tremendous distaste for the draft/preference for veterans (but was reigned in by Beathard, and later, Casserly). In my opinion, Cerrato (and Snyder) was too much of a wussbag to stop Gibbs' anti-draft tendencies, though.

That was a response to your post that our drafts have been decent...not about how many All-Pro...More about the draft in general...heck I think there was a two year stint we we only had 6 or picks total!!

[SkinsFreak]

I don't think that SkinsFreak was necessarily defending vinny, rather saying that LAST years draft was not bad, due to the fact that very soon we will need some receivers (tall ones), and another TE. WR's obviously take a few years to develop, so by drafting them last year, hopefully they will be ready to step up and pan out for us when we lose ARE and Thrash. I agree with this. now... don't go twisting my words and say Im defending vinny, or that I don't think he is an idiot. we HAVE neglected the lines, and vinny IS for the most part an idiot, in my opinion. But I agree with skinsfreak that we got better value, and hopefully solidified another posistion by getting 3 players in the 2nd, as opposed to 1 player who may or may not pan out....

Thank you. All I said was that we needed some WR's, (as did most everyone else at the time) there wasn't any linemen in the 2nd round who were worthy, and all of a sudden I'm defending Vinny. Joke.

Drafting Merling would not have changed one damn thing about the course of this season. And other than that one guy, NO ONE has offered any player in THIS YEARS DRAFT that was worthy or offered better value.

The Jags drafted TWO DE's. Guess what? Their defense sucks and they just fired their defensive coordinator. The knock against the Eagles is that they don't have any skill players because they use all their picks on linemen. What has that gotten them? Since 2000, the Eagles have used 6 of their 8 first overall picks on a lineman, yet they have one skill player with any talent, and that's Westbrook. Point? There is no one successful formula.

A back-up TE in the 2nd? I don't think that was really a smart move. ey's still got many years ahead of him and a back up TE can be found.

And Vet, Davis will not be a "back-up". Teams use multiple TE sets and rotate that position quite frequently. We've used Yoder quite often over the past few years even though we have ey. Zorn previously explained this in detail.

[Wahoo McDaniels]

I don't think that SkinsFreak was necessarily defending vinny, rather saying that LAST years draft was not bad, due to the fact that very soon we will need some receivers (tall ones), and another TE. WR's obviously take a few years to develop, so by drafting them last year, hopefully they will be ready to step up and pan out for us when we lose ARE and Thrash. I agree with this. now... don't go twisting my words and say Im defending vinny, or that I don't think he is an idiot. we HAVE neglected the lines, and vinny IS for the most part an idiot, in my opinion. But I agree with skinsfreak that we got better value, and hopefully solidified another posistion by getting 3 players in the 2nd, as opposed to 1 player who may or may not pan out....

Thank you. All I said was that we needed some WR's, (as did most everyone else at the time) there wasn't any linemen in the 2nd round who were worthy, and all of a sudden I'm defending Vinny. Joke.

Drafting Merling would not have changed one damn thing about the course of this season. And other than that one guy, NO ONE has offered any player in THIS YEARS DRAFT that was worthy or offered better value.

The Jags drafted TWO DE's. Guess what? Their defense sucks and they just fired their defensive coordinator. The knock against the Eagles is that they don't have any skill players because they use all their picks on linemen. What has that gotten them? Since 2000, the Eagles have used 6 of their 8 first overall picks on a lineman, yet they have one skill player with any talent, and that's Westbrook. Point? There is no one successful formula.

A back-up TE in the 2nd? I don't think that was really a smart move. ey's still got many years ahead of him and a back up TE can be found.

And Vet, Davis will not be a "back-up". Teams use multiple TE sets and rotate that position quite frequently. We've used Yoder quite often over the past few years even though we have ey. Zorn previously explained this in detail.

This is a ridiculous statement... no player would have been better than 6 of the 7 players that we got that have given us absolutely nothing.

Well, let's play fairy tale world and pick some players picked behind the Skins, who we could have gotten and problem would have provided better value than two WRs who were injured and out of shape, a TE who couldn't tell when to pass block and when to go out for a pass, an OG who couldn't beat out a 40 yr old or an Undrafted Free Agent, a CB who looks like the smallest player in the NFL and a Punter that, well, couldn't punt.



So let's take a look at some guys we "missed on" because of our crack Scouting Dept.

Rd. 2 Pick 34 - We pick Devin Thomas.

Other possibilities...
Pick 38 - John Carlson - TE - 50 catches, 600 yds
Pick 42 - Eddie Royal - 75 catches 850 yds.
Pick 44 - Matt Forte - 1100 yds rushing, 55 catches

Rd. 2 pick 48 - We pick Fred Davis
Pick 49 - DeShaun Jackson -- 'nuff said

Rd. 2 pick 51 - We pick Malcolm Kelly

Other possibilities....
Pick 52- Quentin Groves
Pick 61 - Martellus Bennett


Here's the one that especially hurts....
Rd 6. Pick 168 - We pick Durant Brooks

Pick 169 - Trevor Scott -- leading the league in sacks for rookies


Obviously, you don't declare a draft great or a bust after one season, but it's crazy talk to say that no one else could have helped us more than the group of players we got. That's straight ridiculous.

I'm not saying we were wrong to choose the players we've got, but what do you say when you let DeShaun Jackson and Eddie Royal go and they're already producing at a position (WR) that most people say it takes more than one year to grasp. Coincidentally I thought we were going to take one or the other when the pick came up (mostly Royal because of the DC connection), but our crack scouting dept had other ideas.

Am I the only one who sees Michael Westbrook and Desmond Howard when I look at Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas?

[fleetus]

This is a ridiculous statement... no player would have been better than 6 of the 7 players that we got that have given us absolutely nothing.

Well, let's play fairy tale world and pick some players picked behind the Skins, who we could have gotten and problem would have provided better value than two WRs who were injured and out of shape, a TE who couldn't tell when to pass block and when to go out for a pass, an OG who couldn't beat out a 40 yr old or an Undrafted Free Agent, a CB who looks like the smallest player in the NFL and a Punter that, well, couldn't punt.

So let's take a look at some guys we "missed on" because of our crack Scouting Dept.

Rd. 2 Pick 34 - We pick Devin Thomas.

Other possibilities...
Pick 38 - John Carlson - TE - 50 catches, 600 yds
Pick 42 - Eddie Royal - 75 catches 850 yds.
Pick 44 - Matt Forte - 1100 yds rushing, 55 catches

Rd. 2 pick 48 - We pick Fred Davis
Pick 49 - DeShaun Jackson -- 'nuff said

Rd. 2 pick 51 - We pick Malcolm Kelly

Other possibilities....
Pick 52- Quentin Groves
Pick 61 - Martellus Bennett


Here's the one that especially hurts....
Rd 6. Pick 168 - We pick Durant Brooks

Pick 169 - Trevor Scott -- leading the league in sacks for rookies


Obviously, you don't declare a draft great or a bust after one season, but it's crazy talk to say that no one else could have helped us more than the group of players we got. That's straight ridiculous.

I'm not saying we were wrong to choose the players we've got, but what do you say when you let DeShaun Jackson and Eddie Royal go and they're already producing at a position (WR) that most people say it takes more than one year to grasp. Coincidentally I thought we were going to take one or the other when the pick came up (mostly Royal because of the DC connection), but our crack scouting dept had other ideas.

Am I the only one who sees Michael Westbrook and Desmond Howard when I look at Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas?

It's also ridiculous to play the annual, but ever so popular "Who We Coulda Had" game, which is an excercise in supreme skill and talent. You look at stat sheets of players on other teams, often playing in completely different schemes, and use hindsight to profess all our mistakes in the draft.

Fred Davis might have played better than Carlsen in Seattle.

With Cutler throwing to him, Kelly and Thomas might have similar stats to Royal. Especially when Denver's defense isn't much more than a Matador and forces Cutler to air it out every week.

Blame the Brooks pick on the Special teams coach. He lobbied hard for that guy.

Bottom line is, if you want to be negative, maybe you personally don't like Cerrato, then you can spend all your time pointing to "mistakes" and then go home a drink yourself to sleep But most of us know that you can't judge any of our 2008 draft picks as busts or successes yet. WR's especially are notoriously slow to develop.

Personally, I hope Cerrato approaches the next couple of drafts exactly like he did last year. Use discipline and follow your own draft board and not stray from it because of a perceived need. Cerrato did not have Merling, Groves or Calais in his top 50 of his draft board. If you're desperate to fill a need, you aren't likely to get what you want from a rookie anyway and are better signing a free agent or making a trade. There isn't a Skins fan out there who, before the draft, would have chosen Phillip Merling over Jason Taylor.

So, you can claim hindsight 20/20 now, but fact is, Vinny traded down and not only picked up an extra pick, but got the same players that he and almost every analyst had graded worthy of the 1st round pick he traded down from. THEN, when some of you were crying about the lost chance to get the amazing Phillip Merling or Calais, Vinny snagged Jason Taylor, 2006 NFL Defensive MVP. So, from Vinny's perspective, he went out and got some pretty decent talent for the coaching staff to work with. Let's hope, that Zorn and Blache learn from this season and figure how to "Coach'em up" better next year. I for one, hope Danny let's Vinny to continue with his value approach to the draft.

[DEHog]

It's also ridiculous to play the annual, but ever so popular "Who We Coulda Had" game, which is an excercise in supreme skill and talent. You look at stat sheets of players on other teams, often playing in completely different schemes, and use hindsight to profess all our mistakes in the draft.

You don't think Owner play that withtheir GM???


Two words...Kenny Philips!!

[VetSkinsFan]

So let's take a look at some guys we "missed on" because of our crack Scouting Dept.

Rd. 2 Pick 34 - We pick Devin Thomas.

Other possibilities...
Pick 38 - John Carlson - TE - 50 catches, 600 yds
Yup, b/c this guy woulda benched ey

Pick 42 - Eddie Royal - 75 catches 850 yds.
I can't argue with this one

Pick 44 - Matt Forte - 1100 yds rushing, 55 catches
Again, do you bench CP for a rookie?


Rd. 2 pick 48 - We pick Fred Davis
Pick 49 - DeShaun Jackson -- 'nuff said
I didn't completey agree with Davis, but we needed large receiver, which, by the way, Royal and Jackson AREN'T!


Here's the one that especially hurts....
Rd 6. Pick 168 - We pick Durant Brooks

Pick 169 - Trevor Scott -- leading the league in sacks for rookies
Yeah, b/c hindsight is always 20/20. How many people kicked themselves over passing on Brady? Wasn't he a 6th rounder as well?

I'm not arguing that we have the best draft, but your hindsight, obi wan, is exquisite. I mean, if Dan Snyder wouldn't be so cheap, he would buy a time machine, go in to the future, see who in the draft is performing, and then zap back to this present and give Vinny the right people to draft.

[fleetus]

It's also ridiculous to play the annual, but ever so popular "Who We Coulda Had" game, which is an excercise in supreme skill and talent. You look at stat sheets of players on other teams, often playing in completely different schemes, and use hindsight to profess all our mistakes in the draft.

You don't think Owner play that withtheir GM???


Two words...Kenny Philips!!

I'd rather have Horton with a 7th round pick than Kenny Phillips with a 1st rounder any day.

[DEHog]

It's also ridiculous to play the annual, but ever so popular "Who We Coulda Had" game, which is an excercise in supreme skill and talent. You look at stat sheets of players on other teams, often playing in completely different schemes, and use hindsight to profess all our mistakes in the draft.

You don't think Owner play that withtheir GM???


Two words...Kenny Philips!!

I'd rather have Horton with a 7th round pick than Kenny Phillips with a 1st rounder any day.

Not me Landry is a SS Philips is a FS

[VetSkinsFan]

It's also ridiculous to play the annual, but ever so popular "Who We Coulda Had" game, which is an excercise in supreme skill and talent. You look at stat sheets of players on other teams, often playing in completely different schemes, and use hindsight to profess all our mistakes in the draft.

You don't think Owner play that withtheir GM???


Two words...Kenny Philips!!

I'd rather have Horton with a 7th round pick than Kenny Phillips with a 1st rounder any day.

Not me Landry is a SS Philips is a FS

Remember back when area 51 were just two safeties? That's what I want. If LL wasn't able to play FS, then that wouldn't have been possible. I think LL can and will be successful in either position.

[Redskin in Canada]

Yeah, b/c hindsight is always 20/20. How many people kicked themselves over passing on Brady? Wasn't he a 6th rounder as well?

Fair enough. But I have a question: How come we NEVER seem to STUMBLE our way into a position of NEED in the OL or DL ???

We are not picking good linemen EVEN by ACCIDENT. And we have all known that our lines have not been strong, let alone dominant, over the last few years.

When was the last time we had a real run stopper??? Butz?

When was the last time we had a feared pass rusher? Manley?

That is an awful LONG time brother. The clowns at the Front Office have not come to the conclusion that games are won and lost in the trenches. That is why Joe Gibbs succeeded with different non-stellar QBs. They had protection and our runners had holes.

It pains the hell out of me to see Clinton Porties throw his hurt body with reckless abandon against one,two or three opposing players that went un-blocked on almost EVERY play. Clinton is a man's man.