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RayNAustin wrote:Whether Campbell is to blame or not, the one thing I do see is a guy with little to no fight in him. Where's the anger? Where's the disgust? Where is the competitiveness of a winner? It sure doesn't show in his face or in his play.

That's the most compelling thing you've ever said on the subject.


I always hear things like this...would it make you feel better if JC was mad and still losing?? Trust me the players are plenty upset with the way the season has going but you can't allow a single game to fester why spend time on something you can't change?? Ithis league...it all about the next play and the next game!

I'm not talking about getting mad, but showing some competitive fire now and again is not a bad thing. I'm talking about playing with urgency, and elevating your play when the chips are down.
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RayNAustin wrote:Whether Campbell is to blame or not, the one thing I do see is a guy with little to no fight in him. Where's the anger? Where's the disgust? Where is the competitiveness of a winner? It sure doesn't show in his face or in his play.

That's the most compelling thing you've ever said on the subject.


I always hear things like this...would it make you feel better if JC was mad and still losing?? Trust me the players are plenty upset with the way the season has going but you can't allow a single game to fester why spend time on something you can't change?? Ithis league...it all about the next play and the next game!

I'm not talking about getting mad, but showing some competitive fire now and again is not a bad thing. I'm talking about playing with urgency, and elevating your play when the chips are down.


Well i read the word anger...you have to be careful look at CP he gotten ripped by the media and I think he's doing what some of you want...I even understand T.O. a bit when talking about Romo but both of these are bad example becuase they went public...nothing good come out of that . I have seen Jason with sense of urgency...the end of the first half vs. the Giants comes to ming...either way I don't put that on Jason I look more at Zorn.
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I just wanted to say I really, really hate this topic. A post on firing a rookie head coach, who is 7-6 with a fundamentally flawed team (i.e., weak in the trenches where good teams are strong)?

It's freaking ridiculous.
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PulpExposure wrote:I just wanted to say I really, really hate this topic. A post on firing a rookie head coach, who is 7-6 with a fundamentally flawed team (i.e., weak in the trenches where good teams are strong)?

It's freaking ridiculous.


I agree but with a owner like Snyder and in todays culture anything is possible...God forbid we loss the the Bungals!!!
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PulpExposure wrote:I just wanted to say I really, really hate this topic. A post on firing a rookie head coach, who is 7-6 with a fundamentally flawed team (i.e., weak in the trenches where good teams are strong)?

It's freaking ridiculous.


It would be interesting to go back in time to the point were J J Gibbs was trying to sell his system to Theisman in the middle of the first season, to see what was being said on the yet to be born THN at the time...

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Firing Zorn and bringin in Cowher, give me a break this would be horrible. I kow what Danny boy is thinking is that if I don't get him now then someone else will and I will lose my chance to lock him up. But lets look at this the problem is not the QB and it is not the running back or relationship with the coach. The bottom line is that the o-line is old, tired and hurt. Hell last game we put in a career back up center at left tackle against Suggs of all people mabey the best D end in football. If you think back you will remember that at the begining of the year when we were 6-2 everyone loved Zorn and the team was palying great, Portis was getting 100+ yards a game Campbell no interceptions and the receivers were making catches. Now lets look at what has changed, has it been the difficulty of the schedule? No in fact the schedule is mabey easier right now. We beat the Cowboys at home with Romo, the eagles at home with westrbook, the Saints who until last night were in contention and are still the #1 offense in football and the Cards who have already won their division. So that is not what it is, well how about the skill players well Portis is still running hard and I like what I see out of Kelly and Thomas, so that is not it. The defense is still rock solid and ranked in the top 10. Our kicker has sucked all year and that has not changed (but desperatly needs to, I mean seriously I would like a shot at this. I played soccer in high school and could punt like noones business.) The one thing that has changed is that the o-line which is old has been breaking down and getting tired. Lack of protection less passes and more interception, at least half of JC's have come because he was getting hit or about to when he was releasing the ball. That is the reason for the slow down of the running game no holes to run through, Portis is earning every yard he gets. The o-line is the single biggest problem this team has. When they are healthy and playing with energy we are almost unstoppable. I remember in the begining of the season when they were playing good that one of the ESPN talking heads said this team was sitting on a powder keg of offense that was ready to explode and destroy teams. In conclussion this team does not need a new coach and new Qb new receivers not even really a new defense it needs a young hungry offensive line. I appologize for rambling on for so long but this talk of a new coack really gets to me, you liked this guy for a reason give him the personal and real chance. Also the zorn v. portis thing is getting blown way out of proportion, Zorn is an ex player and they both have big egos they will work it out just fine
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atlskins wrote:Firing Zorn and bringin in Cowher, give me a break this would be horrible. I kow what Danny boy is thinking is that if I don't get him now then someone else will and I will lose my chance to lock him up. But lets look at this the problem is not the QB and it is not the running back or relationship with the coach. The bottom line is that the o-line is old, tired and hurt. Hell last game we put in a career back up center at left tackle against Suggs of all people mabey the best D end in football. If you think back you will remember that at the begining of the year when we were 6-2 everyone loved Zorn and the team was palying great, Portis was getting 100+ yards a game Campbell no interceptions and the receivers were making catches. Now lets look at what has changed, has it been the difficulty of the schedule? No in fact the schedule is mabey easier right now. We beat the Cowboys at home with Romo, the eagles at home with westrbook, the Saints who until last night were in contention and are still the #1 offense in football and the Cards who have already won their division. So that is not what it is, well how about the skill players well Portis is still running hard and I like what I see out of Kelly and Thomas, so that is not it. The defense is still rock solid and ranked in the top 10. Our kicker has sucked all year and that has not changed (but desperatly needs to, I mean seriously I would like a shot at this. I played soccer in high school and could punt like noones business.) The one thing that has changed is that the o-line which is old has been breaking down and getting tired. Lack of protection less passes and more interception, at least half of JC's have come because he was getting hit or about to when he was releasing the ball. That is the reason for the slow down of the running game no holes to run through, Portis is earning every yard he gets. The o-line is the single biggest problem this team has. When they are healthy and playing with energy we are almost unstoppable. I remember in the begining of the season when they were playing good that one of the ESPN talking heads said this team was sitting on a powder keg of offense that was ready to explode and destroy teams. In conclussion this team does not need a new coach and new Qb new receivers not even really a new defense it needs a young hungry offensive line. I appologize for rambling on for so long but this talk of a new coack really gets to me, you liked this guy for a reason give him the personal and real chance. Also the zorn v. portis thing is getting blown way out of proportion, Zorn is an ex player and they both have big egos they will work it out just fine


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Chris Luva Luva wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Zorn's an NFL head coach and no matter how long he was a player and position coach he has a whole new set of experiences he never dealt with before.


Read up a bit. It wasn't Zorns fault. It was Jason's fault. Regardless, I don't know how hard it'd be to recognize your backup center is blocking Suggs...
So if Swishy had to come in and block at LT, would it still be excusable? You gotta know your personnel.



CLL I agree with you. As soon as Samuels went down I was thinking about who would come in and play RT and move Heyer over to LT. It's a disgrace that we only had one active reserve O-lineman to begin with it's even more disgraceful that nobody (Zorn, Bugel) didn't have the sense to move Heyer over. Every game I've ever coached in, I put myself through obvious extreme situations. ONLY HAVING ONE O-LINEMAN would have sent up a red flag and I would have had a plan in place, which wouldn't have included Geisinger in at LT.
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atlskins wrote:Firing Zorn and bringin in Cowher, give me a break this would be horrible. I kow what Danny boy is thinking is that if I don't get him now then someone else will and I will lose my chance to lock him up. But lets look at this the problem is not the QB and it is not the running back or relationship with the coach. The bottom line is that the o-line is old, tired and hurt. Hell last game we put in a career back up center at left tackle against Suggs of all people mabey the best D end in football. If you think back you will remember that at the begining of the year when we were 6-2 everyone loved Zorn and the team was palying great, Portis was getting 100+ yards a game Campbell no interceptions and the receivers were making catches. Now lets look at what has changed, has it been the difficulty of the schedule? No in fact the schedule is mabey easier right now. We beat the Cowboys at home with Romo, the eagles at home with westrbook, the Saints who until last night were in contention and are still the #1 offense in football and the Cards who have already won their division. So that is not what it is, well how about the skill players well Portis is still running hard and I like what I see out of Kelly and Thomas, so that is not it. The defense is still rock solid and ranked in the top 10. Our kicker has sucked all year and that has not changed (but desperatly needs to, I mean seriously I would like a shot at this. I played soccer in high school and could punt like noones business.) The one thing that has changed is that the o-line which is old has been breaking down and getting tired. Lack of protection less passes and more interception, at least half of JC's have come because he was getting hit or about to when he was releasing the ball. That is the reason for the slow down of the running game no holes to run through, Portis is earning every yard he gets. The o-line is the single biggest problem this team has. When they are healthy and playing with energy we are almost unstoppable. I remember in the begining of the season when they were playing good that one of the ESPN talking heads said this team was sitting on a powder keg of offense that was ready to explode and destroy teams. In conclussion this team does not need a new coach and new Qb new receivers not even really a new defense it needs a young hungry offensive line. I appologize for rambling on for so long but this talk of a new coack really gets to me, you liked this guy for a reason give him the personal and real chance. Also the zorn v. portis thing is getting blown way out of proportion, Zorn is an ex player and they both have big egos they will work it out just fine


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Redskin in Canada wrote:I want to be on record as OPPOSING any attempt to take the job away from Jim Zorn. I understand anger and frustration but Zorn has been one of the few bright lights this season. What is the guy guilty of???

Winning a few games and raising the expectations of a few to win a Super Bowl?

Come on guys, do not give any ideas to Danny. He might actually follow your advice! ;furious;


I am with you. Zorn has to improve how he deals with the media, but we have got to give this guy a few years. I said that back when he was hired. It will take him a few years to get HIS players in here and teach them the system. He's done very well so far, just needs a bit of help with the media thing.

What Portis is doing is just immature. This is the second time this season he's said stupid things on air. Zorn will hopefully take the high road and sit him down and air their greivences.


So... CP gets abused like a stepchild and we win, it's okay. CP wears down due to the extraorrinary load for the abuse he took, now he's the scapegoat? And on top of that, he can't do what he's always done; voice his opinion? Come on now, we've known since he's been here that CP will speak his mind. I may not agree with everything he's done, but there's no way I would sit there and take the blame for the shortcomings of the offense. He's given more than 110%....does whatever he's asked to do:block, receive, run like most teams run TWO backs. Maybe JZ needs to take a step back and look at his situation.

As as for the person who said put the screws to CP, that would be the worst thing he could do. Damage control and off-line resolution is what is needed. Burning that bridge is :hmm:

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I never said that my friend. I agree that we should not give Danny any ideas about firing Zorn. If you look at my other posts, I was the one who brought up the Lions game and how ever since Zorn went after Portis for pulling himself out of the game without notification, we have lost our mojo. Zorn shouldn't be berating players in public view, but this time it's on Portis. And no, I think Portis should have voiced his opinion to the public. It's not the way to handle it. The other thing that I continue to bring up is how Zorn has to stop being so truthful to the media about things. He has to stop publically blaming players and publically blame himself. Behind closed doors, he can blame anyone he wants. All this should have taken place behind close doors.
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Everyone was shocked when the Danny went away from the ordinary and named a no-name coach. What are the possibilities that he did so b/c he knew he could fire him at the end of the year if he underachieved? So, he and Vinny conspired to hire the no name so they could fire him and hire Bill Cowher a year later when he was ready to return to the sidelines? I am not for it. I like Zorn. I just wonder if it is possible that Snyder hired him to fill the role for a year so that he could get Cowher.
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It would not suprise me one bit, knowing the history of The Danny and his little sidekick, Vinny Cerato.
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Will it never end???????


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As long as we have The Danny, it won't.
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may I suggest that cambell be traded and that we start brennan nest year. and keep the coach.
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Is there any mercy left in this world???

If there is any, any little bit left at least in THN, could anybody just please, please, please lock this dumb and stupid thread forever and ever?

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PulpExposure wrote:I just wanted to say I really, really hate this topic. A post on firing a rookie head coach, who is 7-6 with a fundamentally flawed team (i.e., weak in the trenches where good teams are strong)?

It's freaking ridiculous.

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Redskin in Canada wrote:Is there any mercy left in this world???

If there is any, any little bit left at least in THN, could anybody just please, please, please lock this dumb and stupid thread forever and ever?

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And I will even go back to the days of Spurrier when we played the Bills and I said he isn't the answer and later he was fired. I have seen enough with Zorn and it's time to make a change.


It's amazing that no one else seems to recognize your brilliance... I just don't get it...

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jeremyroyce wrote:Honestly I don't care who we bring in. I just want to see our offense be aggresive, attack the opposing team, and for crying out loud bring some variety to our offense. How many years now has our defense kept us in games and our offense goes 3 and out.

Dude, this is just a call for shallow, self serving immediate gratification. You have to have a TEAM to "attack" the Defense. Moss is our only reliable full time receiver, we need Cooley to block too. Portis is getting absolutely POUNDED because he's already hurt and he's running into a wall of defenders daring us to throw.

We have NO OTHER OPTIONS! Hello! And our line is old, slowing and now injured as well. And you want to ATTACK NOW or FIRE THE COACH? That's just shallow, naive, uninformed tripe. The plan needs to be to build a solid O and THEN attack. Your post is so devoid of football knowledge it should be posted on ThePowderPuffGirls.net. Building an "attacking O" is like saying you want your portfolio to make money or your job to be successful. Um..no DUH. Shallow and uninsightful, and your process of attack without weapons and fire the coach for not doing it now is lame. We need to BUILD an attacking O, not start an invasion in row boats.

jeremyroyce wrote:You know what they call it when you do the same blasted thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result? insanity...I have seen enough with Zorn and it's time to make a change.

You mean like churning coaches and then whining about the results? Norv, Robinski, Marty, the Ole Ball Coach, Gibbs, Zorn... What's your solution? FIRE the bastard! Does Jeremy see a pattern of his Einstein definition in the mirror?


But... but... Kazoo, why can't you see the glaring obvious? Campbell and the ENTIRE offense would benefit immensely by having to learn a new offense... yet again, a forth new offense in five years. Continuity is waaaaaay overrated. Switching coaches all the time IS the recipe for winning championships. Even if your coach has a winning record, just fire him and bring in somebody new. It's really that simple. We've tried the continuity approach, it hasn't worked, in case you didn't notice. We need more head coaching turnover to be successful, can't you see that?!?!?


Let me just clear the air on this. I want to see us have continuity and I don't like switching coaches all the time. However, our play calling has been predictable. Even Madden himself said in one of our games that the Redskins are going to have to get the ball down the field and losen up the defense of the other team. Zorn has not done that. Zorn keeps doing the same thing and our offense keeps getting the same results. And our team keeps losing games. The only thing that has changed on our offense for the start of this season has been the passing game. That's it. There are no excuses. When your defense allows 14 points in a game (Cowboys) you gotta win that game. Why did we lose this game because of our offense. How about against the Steelers? We had great field position the first two times we had the ball and all we got was two 3 and outs and two field goals. If Zorn had atleast tried to bring some sort of creativity to our offense and it didn't work, fine I can live with that, but you will never know until you try.
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Zorn shouldn't be fired. Fire the entire O line and all the receivers except for Cooley.
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grampi wrote:Zorn shouldn't be fired. Fire the entire O line and all the receivers except for Cooley.


AWEOSOME IDEA!!!! b/c finding 10 starters is EASY to do in 1 off-season...why didn't we think of this before?
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jeremyroyce wrote:You know what they call it when you do the same blasted thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result? insanity...I have seen enough with Zorn and it's time to make a change.

You mean like churning coaches and then whining about the results? Norv, Robinski, Marty, the Ole Ball Coach, Gibbs, Zorn... What's your solution? FIRE the bastard! Does Jeremy see a pattern of his Einstein definition in the mirror?
Let me just clear the air on this. I want to see us have continuity and I don't like switching coaches all the time. However, our play calling has been predictable. Even Madden himself said in one of our games that the Redskins are going to have to get the ball down the field and losen up the defense of the other team. Zorn has not done that. Zorn keeps doing the same thing and our offense keeps getting the same results. And our team keeps losing games. The only thing that has changed on our offense for the start of this season has been the passing game. That's it. There are no excuses. When your defense allows 14 points in a game (Cowboys) you gotta win that game. Why did we lose this game because of our offense. How about against the Steelers? We had great field position the first two times we had the ball and all we got was two 3 and outs and two field goals. If Zorn had atleast tried to bring some sort of creativity to our offense and it didn't work, fine I can live with that, but you will never know until you try.

Jeremy advocated "making a change." Jeremy wanted to fire a coach who's 7-6 in his FIRST SEASON as head coach. Then Jeremy says he wants "continuity" and not "switching coaches all the time?" What Jeremy's posting is inane. If we're going to fire coaches in their FIRST SEASON because Jeremy thinks they are already "predictable" even when they have a winning record, then who would Jeremy, who wants "continuity" ever NOT advocate firing? Gibbs was 0-5, he'd have been gone in Jeremy's pursuit of "continuity" right then. Jeremy advocates the "continuity" of every Super Bowl or a new coach. Any team following the advice of "continuity" seeking Jeremy would be lucky to ever make the playoffs, much less win one. Jeremy's posting drivel.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
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jeremyroyce wrote:You know what they call it when you do the same blasted thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result? insanity...I have seen enough with Zorn and it's time to make a change.

You mean like churning coaches and then whining about the results? Norv, Robinski, Marty, the Ole Ball Coach, Gibbs, Zorn... What's your solution? FIRE the bastard! Does Jeremy see a pattern of his Einstein definition in the mirror?
Let me just clear the air on this. I want to see us have continuity and I don't like switching coaches all the time. However, our play calling has been predictable. Even Madden himself said in one of our games that the Redskins are going to have to get the ball down the field and losen up the defense of the other team. Zorn has not done that. Zorn keeps doing the same thing and our offense keeps getting the same results. And our team keeps losing games. The only thing that has changed on our offense for the start of this season has been the passing game. That's it. There are no excuses. When your defense allows 14 points in a game (Cowboys) you gotta win that game. Why did we lose this game because of our offense. How about against the Steelers? We had great field position the first two times we had the ball and all we got was two 3 and outs and two field goals. If Zorn had atleast tried to bring some sort of creativity to our offense and it didn't work, fine I can live with that, but you will never know until you try.

Jeremy advocated "making a change." Jeremy wanted to fire a coach who's 7-6 in his FIRST SEASON as head coach. Then Jeremy says he wants "continuity" and not "switching coaches all the time?" What Jeremy's posting is inane. If we're going to fire coaches in their FIRST SEASON because Jeremy thinks they are already "predictable" even when they have a winning record, then who would Jeremy, who wants "continuity" ever NOT advocate firing? Gibbs was 0-5, he'd have been gone in Jeremy's pursuit of "continuity" right then. Jeremy wants the continuity of every Super Bowl. Any team following the advice of "continuity" seeking Jeremy would be lucky to ever make the playoffs, much less win one. Jeremy's posting drivel.


Well we have an owner who fosters ideals like this....How many coaches not named Gibbs got to coach a third year under Snyder??
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DEHog wrote:Well we have an owner who fosters ideals like this....How many coaches not named Gibbs got to coach a third year under Snyder??

Sounds good, the press likes to pound that theme, but let's go to the facts. Snyder fired exactly ONE coach before their third year. In fact, he only fired one coach ever that he hired. Wow, what a coach carousel wacko. :roll:

Norv, whom he did not hire, had like eight years to show that he's a great OC and a heck of a nice guy but blows as "The Man." And firing Marty really was an admission of his own mistake. He only hired Marty because everyone told him to hire a guy who would run the team and cut him out of the process. Whatever you think of Dan the Man, no owner would operate that way and Marty demonstrated himself to be a horses rear of a human being.

So, how exacly using facts instead of media hyped reputation does Snyder "foster ideals like this?"
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